China gets tough against Hong Kong trouble-makers

[northeast]

I am not from Hong Kong, i am half Chinese, my another half is White/Mexican, i do hate Britain, for whole another reason.

I do not believe people in Hong Kong should hate the British, they should not love the Brits, true, but why do they need to hate the British, thus i also believe, they should not hate, nor love China, you don't need to love or hate your own country to feel the national pride. Times changes and people need to move on, if you got too stuck up in the past, you will end up bittering for a few facts.

If you wave a japanese flag in china，I am pretty sure that you would get some punches from chinese nationalists.

 

[Snomannen]

I don't know how could this end up like this, all I want to do is to proof this wrong:
[Which show 95% of Hong Kong resident consider themselve of Hong Kong (Not Chinese nor British)]

I have already given the data from the UofHK that proof this data above^ is overstated, my job is done.

But why are you acting so bad and insult me (even to my identity) , did I offense you from the first post or sth, if yes then I'm sorry.


PS:

Please read the websites I gave you, no offense, really, I don't even want a fight.
If this is really, really, really, really my mistake about the flags, I apologize.
It is my first time arguing with someone in the internet.

 

[Snomannen]

More about "Flags":

Printed during the WW2, could it be "Taiwan" and USA?

[The Flag of the Republic of China (traditional Chinese: 中華民國國旗; simplified Chinese: 中华民国国旗; pinyin: Zhōnghuá Mínguó Guóqí) is red with a navy blue canton bearing a white sun with twelve triangular rays. In Chinese, the flag is commonly described as Blue Sky, White Sun, and a Wholly Red Earth (traditional Chinese: 青天, 白日, 滿地紅; simplified Chinese: 青天, 白日, 满地红; pinyin: Qīng Tiān, Bái Rì, Mǎn Dì Hóng) to reflect its attributes.

It was first used in mainland China by the Kuomintang (KMT, the Chinese Nationalist Party) in 1917 and was made the official flag of the ROC in 1928. It was enshrined in the 6th article of the Constitution of the Republic of China when it was promulgated in 1947. Since 1949, the flag is mostly used within Taiwan where the Republic of China relocated after having lost the Chinese Civil War to the Communists.]

---- WIKIP

Only the PRC you said?

[青天白日旗是中國清朝末年革命家陸皓東所設計的旗幟，原為興中會使用，後來由繼承興中會的中國國民黨沿用為黨旗至今。「青天白日」是中國國民黨黨徽及中華民國國徽的主題，亦是中華民國國旗的組成要素。青天白日旗本身也是中華民國海軍的艦首旗。
目錄

青天白日旗最早是興中會使用的革命旗幟，後來清末各地革命黨人起義時多次使用，辛亥革命勝利後被南京臨時政府作為中華民國海軍艦艏旗。]

---- WIKIP

National flag of the ROC you said?

 

[jhungary]

1)
Your first article [the "90%" one] didn't even have any source and you have me to find one that suit your own demand?

I have march the data from the official website, I make a reference, which you didn't, so take it please.

2,3)

No, that is OUR problem, since I also a HK ID.

and you do realize the difference between 中國香港人 and 香港中國人, right?

The first name of Hu Jintao is Jintao, not Hu. You know that right?
Same story goes to "Hong Kong Chinese",
can you accept it?

Chinese is not as same as English, especially in name style, my friend.

4)

They NEVER used [the first flag (KMT flag) to REPRESENT THE WHOLE OF CHINA UNDER ROC before WW2]
The latter flag is REALLY the the official flag.

Where did you learn your history my friend, seriously, where? Which "book"?

Oh my God.......s


Here, the official website of the Republic of China, please tell them they were, are wrong.
http://www.president.gov.tw/Default.aspx?tabid=1031

I know WIKIP is not a suitable website for ref., but, just take a look, please.
ä¸*華民國國旗 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

I don't know how could this end up like this, all I want to do is to proof this wrong:
[Which show 95% of Hong Kong resident consider themselve of Hong Kong (Not Chinese nor British)]

I have already given the data from the UofHK that proof this data above^ is overstated, my job is done.

But why are you acting so bad and insult me (even to my identity) , did I offense you from the first post or sth, if yes then I'm sorry.


PS:

Please read the websites I gave you, no offense, really, I don't even want a fight.
If this is really, really my mistake about the flags, I apologize.
It is my first time arguing with someone in the internet.

You know what,

1.) I think we should both retract our point 1. You cannot proof yours are done by the University of Hong Kong. i cannot be proof its from mingpao. If you willing to retract yours, i am willing to retract mine. Keep agruing with the point that no one can proof that exist is childish.

2.) Although i am not a Chinese, i do speak Chinese and use Chinese as my day to day life, in some degree, people regard my Chinese is better than local born CHinese. I know about the Surname is in front not at the back. (I have a CHinese Surname too)

There are 2 problem.

香港的中國人指你覺得自己是中國人,不過生活在香港
中國的香港人則指你是香港人,不過生活在中國

These are 2 different term according to some website (Which have a complementry mini-poll done to local Hong Kong Resident) the definition is defined by the University of Hong Kong Survey assoication. You should be able to see the differnet.


Now i don't know if you think differently in macau, or well, you just think differently, but seems to me the two definition is quite well define and they are compensate each other.

WargameYAU

4.) I don't want to talk about the flag anymore, as we are not discussing the Tiawanese issue, i will be much obligh if you want to open a post and discuss further on Taiwanese Issue

However, according to wikipedia (The source you quote)

Flag of the Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny it is the only wiki site you did not quote to support your evidence.

 

[Snomannen]

You know what,

1.) I think we should both retract our point 1. You cannot proof yours are done by the University of Hong Kong. i cannot be proof its from mingpao. If you willing to retract yours, i am willing to retract mine. Keep agruing with the point that no one can proof that exist is childish.

2.) Although i am not a Chinese, i do speak Chinese and use Chinese as my day to day life, in some degree, people regard my Chinese is better than local born CHinese. I know about the Surname is in front not at the back. (I have a CHinese Surname too)

There are 2 problem.

香港的中國人指你覺得自己是中國人,不過生活在香港
中國的香港人則指你是香港人,不過生活在中國

These are 2 different term according to some website (Which have a complementry mini-poll done to local Hong Kong Resident) the definition is defined by the University of Hong Kong Survey assoication. You should be able to see the differnet.


Now i don't know if you think differently in macau, or well, you just think differently, but seems to me the two definition is quite well define and they are compensate each other.

WargameYAU

4.) I don't want to talk about the flag anymore, as we are not discussing the Tiawanese issue, i will be much obligh if you want to open a post and discuss further on Taiwanese Issue

However, according to wikipedia (The source you quote)

Flag of the Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Funny it is the only wiki site you did not quote to support your evidence.

1. Sorry but I have proofed mine already.

If that was not enough, then:
http://hkupop.hku.hk/chinese/popexpress/ethnic/index.html

2. I never consider your race as a matter between our communication.

[香港的中國人指你覺得自己是中國人,不過生活在香港;
中國的香港人則指你是香港人,不過生活在中國.]

According to your translation above, I have seen a problem: You separate "China" and "HK" completely, am I right.
That's why we are not thinking the same thing.

For me, also the survey, HK Chinese中國香港人 = Beijing Chinese(I know they don't use it this way, but it is the same concept)中國北京人, there is no difference.

It is all about translation, for instance "Chinese" means both "中國人" 和 "華人", which causes misunderstanding sometimes.

Moreover, here's a useful news to sate my statement.
http://paper.wenweipo.com/2012/01/11/PL1201110001.htm

And:

當被訪市民可在「香港人」、「中國的香港人」、「中國人」、及「香港的中國人」四者中選擇自己認同的身分時，46%稱自己為「香港人」，18%自稱為「中國人」，23%自稱為「中國的香港人」，而11%則自稱為「香港的中國人」。換言之，68%認為自己是廣義的「香港人」（即回答「香港人」或「中國的香港人」），30%則認為自己是廣義的「中國人」（即回答「中國人」或「香港的中國人」），34%則選擇了「香港人」和「中國人」的混合身分（即回答「中國的香港人」或「香港的中國人」）。

http://hkupop.hku.hk/chinese/release/release937.html#6



4. This is not really related to "Taiwanese issue", I am just point out what you are wrong.

And please read my update. #65

If you really want a "Taiwanese flag", it is green, with the island of Taiwan.

In conclusion, You were wrong with the data (95%), and the "flags".
And since you insulted me and call me stupid, I am asking your apology.

 

[Snomannen]

Self dele lalalalalala

 

[terranMarine]

Sorry but this half Chinese got some things wrong, one he claims HK speak different language than mainland China (whether it is before or after 1997). Does he know anything about the Guangdong province people speak not only mandarin but also their own dialects such as Cantonese?
Secondly people in 上海 for example don't call themselves 中國上海人, just 上海人, plenty mainlanders refer themselves as people from their own cities or from their own province. Even Macau people call themselves 澳門人 , don't they consider themselves 中國人?

 

[Snomannen]

Sorry but this half Chinese got some things wrong, one he claims HK speak different language than mainland China (whether it is before or after 1997). Does he know anything about the Guangdong province people speak not only mandarin but also their own dialects such as Cantonese?
Secondly people in 上海 for example don't call themselves 中國上海人, just 上海人, plenty mainlanders refer themselves as people from their own cities or from their own province. Even Macau people call themselves 澳門人 , don't they consider themselves 中國人?

That's why some people say that this is "misleading".
Ａ HK people consider himself as Chinese, he can be 香港人
Ａ HK people not consider himself as Chinese, he can also be 香港人

 

[terranMarine]

That's why some people say that this is "misleading".
Ａ HK people consider himself as Chinese, he can be 香港人
Ａ HK people not consider himself as Chinese, he can also be 香港人

Well it's not misleading but just an excuse by some to say HK people don't consider themselves as 中國人. That half Chinese who said had lived in China for many many years were wasted afterall. Ask a Macanese, Shanghainese if they are Chinese they would say yes, ask HK people the same question they would say yes, those who insist they are HK people and not Chinese are in denial nothing more.

 

[shelly]

Indian built HK? Interesting.
Anyway India should be returned to the UK, all hail the empire on which the sun never sets.

that we'll deal with uk

 

[shelly]

HK should tell the chinese that love HKs democracy or leave.

 

[SamranAli]

hong kong should be returned to indians as the indians along with the brits built HK. else it would have been a barren rock

I would have believed your stupid post if there were any city like HK in india, come on build your home first.

 

[jhungary]

1. Sorry but I have proofed mine already.

If that was not enough, then:
???????? People's Ethnic Identity - ???? HKUPOP

2. I never consider your race as a matter between our communication.

香港的中國人指你覺得自己是中國人,不過生活在香港;
中國的香港人則指你是香港人,不過生活在中國.

I DID NOT TRANSLATE IT MYSELF, this is on the page with the mini poll. You need to seriously read my link.

What yo are saying is the same, but what i am understanding is different, guess, you don't live in Hong Kong so i can't take your word for it.

According to your translation above, I have seen a problem: You separate "China" and "HK" completely, am I right.
That's why we are not thinking the same thing.

For me, also the survey, HK Chinese中國香港人 = Beijing Chinese(I know they don't use it this way, but it is the same concept)中國北京人, there is no difference.

It is all about translation, for instance "Chinese" means both "中國人" 和 "華人", which causes misunderstanding sometimes.

Moreover, here's a useful news to sate my statement.
snG?HMH?X? - ?

And:

當被訪市民可在「香港人」、「中國的香港人」、「中國人」、及「香港的中國人」四者中選擇自己認同的身分時，46%稱自己為「香港人」，18%自稱為「中國人」，23%自稱為「中國的香港人」，而11%則自稱為「香港的中國人」。換言之，68%認為自己是廣義的「香港人」（即回答「香港人」或「中國的香港人」），30%則認為自己是廣義的「中國人」（即回答「中國人」或「香港的中國人」），34%則選擇了「香港人」和「中國人」的混合身分（即回答「中國的香港人」或「香港的中國人」）。

???????????????????? - ???? HKUPOP



4. This is not really related to "Taiwanese issue", I am just point out what you are wrong.

And please read my update. #65

If you really want a "Taiwanese flag", it is green, with the island of Taiwan.

In conclusion, You were wrong with the data (95%), and the "flags".
And since you insulted me and call me stupid, I am asking your apology.

1.) Dude, first of all, this is a totally diferent graph.

Second of all, it still say only about 15% of Hong Kong people calling themselve Chinese in the year of 2000/

Let's discuss the whole 香港的中國人指你覺得自己是中國人,不過生活在香港; 中國的香港人則指你是香港人,不過生活在中國. issue in the second point shall we.

2.) Well, 香港的中國人指你覺得自己是中國人,不過生活在香港;
中國的香港人則指你是香港人,不過生活在中國.

How does this actually mean, this is Chinese and the point to the matter is, how does it mean related to the area of where it originated, am i correct?

So it may mean something in Hong Kong, and then it may mean something else in China, and finally it may mean something else in Macau, so in the end, how does it mean to Hong Kong people should they be a question only qualified to a Hong Kong People or people who have been living in Hong Kong?

So i guess you will need to have one of these to be able to speak on behalf of Hong Kong Resident on How this it mean, right?

Well, i lived in Hong Kong , this is how it mean, i know many Hogn Kong Resident think this is what i meant, so, how in the hell, you live all the way in Macau know how a Hong Kong Resident feel? It may mean if this is Macau, a Macau people living in China is the same as a Chinese living in Macau, BUT THIS IS NOT THE SAME IN HONG KONG, UNTIL YOU GET ONE OF THIS, DO NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF HONG KONG PEOPLE

How dare you interject your view to average Hong Kong resident, if you want, go back to Macau and platy with your casino, and don't lecture a Hong Kong Resident value to an Actual HONG KONG RESIDENT.

4.) I NEVER HAVE SAID THE FLAG is incorrect i said the term is incorrect. Last time i check, there are only 1 China my country s (US, Sweden and Australia) regonise, and that is People Republic of China and if you call a Taiwanese Flag a Republic of China flag, then that mean you support 2 China, man, watch your back for some Chinese Secret Police take you in for a cup of coffee......

Don't pretent you are a Hong Kong resident to troll on a Hong Kong topic please, i will not apologise to a troll

 

[jhungary]

Well it's not misleading but just an excuse by some to say HK people don't consider themselves as 中國人. That half Chinese who said had lived in China for many many years were wasted afterall. Ask a Macanese, Shanghainese if they are Chinese they would say yes, ask HK people the same question they would say yes, those who insist they are HK people and not Chinese are in denial nothing more.

LOL I love when troll talking to a troll with their word of no meaning, y'all think you can get what it mean to be a Hong Kong people by living outside Hong Kong, as i said Hong Kong is a very complicate place, unless you live there for 7 + years, don't come to me and lecture me about Hong Kong.

I don't really care what Chinese think of Hong Kong, i don't live there anymore so i don't bother to renew my ID card, let that expires.

But i really hate when you talk about one topic which You guys know absolutely NOTHING about and keep comment it like an expert. Dude, comment is welcome, but don't act like you are an expert of the place WHEN YOU HAVE NOT LIVED THERE FOR ANY TIME OF YOUR LIFE

 

[jhungary]

That's why some people say that this is "misleading".
Ａ HK people consider himself as Chinese, he can be 香港人
Ａ HK people not consider himself as Chinese, he can also be 香港人

Or maybe the time i spend in Hong Kong is really wasted, bcoz i need a Macau People to tell me what is a Hong Kong resident and how a Hong Kong resident feel toward their Chinese master.

HK should tell the chinese that love HKs democracy or leave.

They can't, as much as Hong Kong resident want, their freedom will not last long, the problem is with the Chinese government, they have al lthe say in Hong Kong, it will only be like

You either enjoy your limited Freedom or please leave but never the otherway around