China gets tough against Hong Kong trouble-makers

[jhungary]

By the way, to those who can't understand chinese, the paragraph in Chinese translated into
數據（表一）也顯示，香港逾半居民趨向包容「香港人」與「中國人」兩個身份認同。換言之，對這些民眾而言， 這兩種身份認同並不矛盾，可以並容。然而，必須指出的是，「香港人」意識裏不全然是文化性質的東西，而是包 含一定程度的政治性質。筆者在分析「香港人」認同特徵的時候，曾提出該認同的形態已具「準民族主義」的性質 。民調中不選擇「中國人」或「既是香港人也是中國人」，而只選擇「香港人」的一群，其本土認同的性質就明顯 帶有了政治性。這種政治性不但妨礙了建立身為中華人民共和國國民的新身份認同，甚至還容易發展成政治分離意 識。數據顯示回歸後，仍有四分之一香港民眾傾向在政治上與中華人民共和國分離（見表三）。

In the data provided (Form 1) over half of the Hong Kogn resident increasingly accept the concept of both "Hong Kong National and Chinese National" In other word, to those people, this two nationality status do not contradict with each other and can co-exist. However, what must be pointed out is, is this thinking is not totally a cultural takes, but also included a hints of political meaning. The author in defining the title "Hong Kong National" and its common characteristic, had recommaned the identification including the "Pan-Nationalism" In this survey, those who choose "Hong Kong national" only instead of choosing "Chinese or Hong Kong Chinese) is a charactistic of political thinking. These thinking not only prohibit the establishment of Chinese nationality in Hong Kong or even adaptation to the new identity, but can go as far to seperate in Political idea. The data show, still over 25% of interviewee lean to the seperation with China in political level.

My Chinese is a bit rusty, this is the best i can do, hope you guys understand

 

[Snomannen]

indians dont have high self-esteem in HK as far as I know. for them to rule HK is like picking a 7-11 store keeper / janitor in new york to hold office in the white house

I love Indians in HK, most of them (I guess) speak good Cantonese, especially the famous HKIndian actor [Gill Mohindepaul Singh]

 

[jhungary]

Of course I saw that, but I still can't find the [90%] and [81.4% of interviewed Hong Kong Resident does not think or agree that they are Chinese], can you give me a hand?

The data is from Mingpao, the media you have mentioned.

The survey has 3 selections:

1.HK people (Not really like the identify of Chinese)
2.Chinese ([ex] People from Beijing: "I'm Chinese.")
3.HKpeople & Chinese ([ex] "I'm a Chinese, from Shandong.")

Is it clear?


And all Taiwanese knows that their official flag is ROC flag, that's a common sense.
Therefore I don't need to tell them, but you.

First of all, i cannot find the Graph from the link of mingpao you gave, the paragraph was there but the graph is lacking

Second of all, i am debating whether the Hong Kong people think they are of same status of Chinese, so either they are, or they aren't, what you say is if they believe they are Chinese in Hong Kong, THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS CHINESE IN GENERAL.... Hence it should belong to the group "THEY ARE NOT CHINESE" You can't say you are Chinese but with condition.

Third of all, you are still counting the number from the latter half of the 2000 well, if you keep doing this i cannot speak to you anymore as we are pointing in a different area.

Taiwanese is under ROC government control, and the flag with ROC is the taiwanese flag at the current (The government of Taiwan), unless you are willing to say Taiwan is the legit government of China, then this will not be a Taiwanese Flag, but a Chinese Flag, even i know they aren't and i don't know what is your purpose.

 

[Snomannen]

First of all, i cannot find the Graph from the link of mingpao you gave, the paragraph was there but the graph is lacking

Second of all, i am debating whether the Hong Kong people think they are of same status of Chinese, so either they are, or they aren't, what you say is if they believe they are Chinese in Hong Kong, THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS CHINESE IN GENERAL.... Hence it should belong to the group "THEY ARE NOT CHINESE" You can't say you are Chinese but with condition.

Third of all, you are still counting the number from the latter half of the 2000 well, if you keep doing this i cannot speak to you anymore as we are pointing in a different area.

Taiwanese is under ROC government control, and the flag with ROC is the taiwanese flag at the current (The government of Taiwan), unless you are willing to say Taiwan is the legit government of China, then this will not be a Taiwanese Flag, but a Chinese Flag, even i know they aren't and i don't know what is your purpose.

１.

shanshanblog

And the original source is from 港大民意研究計劃 Public Opinion Programme of the U of HK.

2.

Why not.
A Beijing guy call himself "Chinese", so he is Chinese.
A Beijing guy call himself "Chinese from Beijing", so he is not a Chinese?

They consider they are Chinese in HK, they ARE Chinese. Simple as this.
You have translated the paragraph, you should understand it already.
So base on your opinion, I can also say that "THEY ARE NOT HKP"

3.

I can't speak to you either if you are keep trying to insult me and kicking those HK people out from the "Chinese group" for strange reason.


4.

There is no such thing of "Taiwanese Flag", it is official called " Flag of the ROC", common sense.

Some Taiwanese may consider the flag as their identify even through they support the independence movement, but they also understand that their flag is a [Chinese flag].

Therefore, in HK, those people are rising "the flag of the Republic of China", not a "Taiwanese flag", in order to state that they dislike the CCP only, not their own country.

 

[Snomannen]

Another data:

你是「香港人」還是「中國人」？
港台【議事論事】看市民身份認同
香港電台【議事論事】調查顯示，四成受訪者選擇做「九七後的特區人」，而選擇做「九七前的殖民地人」有三成。
【議事論事】委託香港大學民意研究計劃，於上月進行一項名為「香港人身份認同」民意調查，了解市民對香港人和中國人身份的認同感，以及對回歸後身份轉變的觀感。調查以電話隨機抽樣，成功訪問了1,007名18歲或以上的香港市民。
調查結果顯示，61.8%受訪者會稱自已為「香港人」，而會稱自己為「中國人」的有36.4%。若以0至10分表示對中國人身份的認同感，給予6分或以上的受訪者佔80.3%，當中有37.8%給10分，給8至9分的佔21%。受訪者被問及假如可以選擇，會再次做九七年前的殖民地人，還是繼續做九七後的特區人？選擇做「九七後的特區人」佔41.1%，而選擇做「九七前的殖民地人」則有31%，表示「兩樣都沒有所謂」的有21.8%。
負責進行是次調查的香港大學民意研究計劃主任鍾庭耀分析指，三成人選擇做「九七前的殖民地人」可能反映受訪者心裏抗拒回歸後，特區政府管治下的香港，感到生活模式或整體滿意程度差了，於是選擇懷緬過去，寧願選擇做九七年前的殖民地。
對於結果顯示港人對香港更有認同感而對中國人身份的認同略低。鍾庭耀則認為這十年所發生的事情不太暢順，以致香港人在殖民地歷史中，缺乏民族認同感，對歷史的認識亦低。現在才慢慢起步，相信最後要多方面配合，包括：中國社會發展、加強香港人對兩地的信心等。
上述調查結果及分析於今晚(四月十二&#26085七時在無綫翡翠台播出的【議事論事】節目內公布，港台網上廣播站(http://tv.rthk.org.hk)視&#206...6039;訊台播出。
二○○七年四月十二日
查詢：機構傳訊組梁寶芬，電話2339 7669 / 7308 0669

http://hkupop.hku.hk/chinese/report/RTHKLegco/press.pdf

Translate it if you want.

By the way, to those who can't understand chinese, the paragraph in Chinese translated into
數據（表一）也顯示，香港逾半居民趨向包容「香港人」與「中國人」兩個身份認同。換言之，對這些民眾而言， 這兩種身份認同並不矛盾，可以並容。然而，必須指出的是，「香港人」意識裏不全然是文化性質的東西，而是包 含一定程度的政治性質。筆者在分析「香港人」認同特徵的時候，曾提出該認同的形態已具「準民族主義」的性質 。民調中不選擇「中國人」或「既是香港人也是中國人」，而只選擇「香港人」的一群，其本土認同的性質就明顯 帶有了政治性。這種政治性不但妨礙了建立身為中華人民共和國國民的新身份認同，甚至還容易發展成政治分離意 識。數據顯示回歸後，仍有四分之一香港民眾傾向在政治上與中華人民共和國分離（見表三）。

In the data provided (Form 1) over half of the Hong Kogn resident increasingly accept the concept of both "Hong Kong National and Chinese National" In other word, to those people, this two nationality status do not contradict with each other and can co-exist. However, what must be pointed out is, is this thinking is not totally a cultural takes, but also included a hints of political meaning. The author in defining the title "Hong Kong National" and its common characteristic, had recommaned the identification including the "Pan-Nationalism" In this survey, those who choose "Hong Kong national" only instead of choosing "Chinese or Hong Kong Chinese) is a charactistic of political thinking. These thinking not only prohibit the establishment of Chinese nationality in Hong Kong or even adaptation to the new identity, but can go as far to seperate in Political idea. The data show, still over 25% of interviewee lean to the seperation with China in political level.

My Chinese is a bit rusty, this is the best i can do, hope you guys understand

中華人民共和國 should be translated to PRC, not China.
Anyway good job.

 

[jhungary]

１.

shanshanblog

And the original source is from 港大民意研究計劃 Public Opinion Programme of the U of HK.

2.

Why not.
A Beijing guy call himself "Chinese", so he is Chinese.
A Beijing guy call himself "Chinese from Beijing", so he is not a Chinese?

They consider they are Chinese in HK, they ARE Chinese. Simple as this.
You have translated the paragraph, you should understand it already.
So base on your opinion, I can also say that "THEY ARE NOT HKP"

3.

I can't speak to you either if you are keep trying to insult me and kicking those HK people out from the "Chinese group" for strange reason.


4.

There is no such thing of "Taiwanese Flag", it is official called " Flag of the ROC", common sense.

Some Taiwanese may consider the flag as their identify even through they support the independence movement, but they also understand that their flag is a [Chinese flag].

Therefore, in HK, those people are rising "the flag of the Republic of China", not a "Taiwanese flag", in order to state that they dislike the CCP only, not their own country.

Sigh.......

1.) A blog contain an article that only said but not given any refernce is the quote of your source, then i can shut up.

2.) A Beijian will NOT call themselve Beijian Chinese in almost all cirsumstance he will say he is a Chinese From Beijian, same thing you would not hear an Ameican (Southern US as an exception) ID themselve Californian-American, they will either say they are Californian (People from california) or New Yorker (People from New York), but then you are saying it's ok to call Hong Kong Chinese?

Do you know we are talking about people calling them selve Hong Kong Chinese not Chinese from Hong Kong?

3.) I did think Hong Kong Poeple does not think themselve as normal or average Chinese, ask around in Hong Kong, they think the Chinese are mainland chinese and they are something else. I DO NOT THINK MYSELF IS A CHINESE period. I Neither have Chinese Passport nor born in China or Hong Kong.

4.) You are the one who don't know anything. ROC flag is the original Republic Of China flag that do not have the red background, uesd to represent the Government.

The flag is the same as KMT flag and they are the official ROC flag and with the name 青天白日旗

This is the Current Taiwan Flag

The flag name is called 青天白日滿地紅

Only the Mainland Chinese called this ROC flag as they never aaccept Taiwan is an entity, if you go to Taiwan and ask people around, they will tell you what you don't want to hear, but i very much doubt you have any interaction with any Taiwanese that cares

 

[jhungary]

Another data:

你是「香港人」還是「中國人」？
港台【議事論事】看市民身份認同
香港電台【議事論事】調查顯示，四成受訪者選擇做「九七後的特區人」，而選擇做「九七前的殖民地人」有三成。
【議事論事】委託香港大學民意研究計劃，於上月進行一項名為「香港人身份認同」民意調查，了解市民對香港人和中國人身份的認同感，以及對回歸後身份轉變的觀感。調查以電話隨機抽樣，成功訪問了1,007名18歲或以上的香港市民。
調查結果顯示，61.8%受訪者會稱自已為「香港人」，而會稱自己為「中國人」的有36.4%。若以0至10分表示對中國人身份的認同感，給予6分或以上的受訪者佔80.3%，當中有37.8%給10分，給8至9分的佔21%。受訪者被問及假如可以選擇，會再次做九七年前的殖民地人，還是繼續做九七後的特區人？選擇做「九七後的特區人」佔41.1%，而選擇做「九七前的殖民地人」則有31%，表示「兩樣都沒有所謂」的有21.8%。
負責進行是次調查的香港大學民意研究計劃主任鍾庭耀分析指，三成人選擇做「九七前的殖民地人」可能反映受訪者心裏抗拒回歸後，特區政府管治下的香港，感到生活模式或整體滿意程度差了，於是選擇懷緬過去，寧願選擇做九七年前的殖民地。
對於結果顯示港人對香港更有認同感而對中國人身份的認同略低。鍾庭耀則認為這十年所發生的事情不太暢順，以致香港人在殖民地歷史中，缺乏民族認同感，對歷史的認識亦低。現在才慢慢起步，相信最後要多方面配合，包括：中國社會發展、加強香港人對兩地的信心等。
上述調查結果及分析於今晚(四月十二&#26085七時在無綫翡翠台播出的【議事論事】節目內公布，港台網上廣播站(http://tv.rthk.org.hk)視&#206...6039;訊台播出。
二○○七年四月十二日
查詢：機構傳訊組梁寶芬，電話2339 7669 / 7308 0669

http://hkupop.hku.hk/chinese/report/RTHKLegco/press.pdf

Translate it if you want.

中華人民共和國 should be translated to PRC, not China.
Anyway good job.

I am tired of all the typing. Please look at my post at Post #43 for answer.

I did not say Hong Kong people want to go back to British Rule

61.8%受訪者會稱自已為「香港人」，而會稱自己為「中國人」的有36.4%
And in your post, in 2007, there are still 61.8% call themselve Hogn Kong people "香港人" didn't you just proof my point.

 

[Type 052D]

Britian (soon to be England when Scots leave) have to intention coming back. Infact, Hong kong is far productive in industry in many areas compared to London.

 

[northeast]

From what i see and what i heard (Which wasn't much) from my Hong Kong Firend, those people DID NOT SUPPORT the British Government or British Rules, they just frustrated and wave that thign around, same occasion some dude are waving the Taiwanese flag, it wasn't photo.

When people got frustrated they will do everything to piss the current administration off.

The lack of National Identity is not the first time happened in Hong Kong, the problem is much much more deeper than any Chinese would imagine, unless you lived in Hong Kong for an extended period.

That's not enough，everyone that is turely pround to be hongkonger should
hate the british colonizers，otherwise you are just a white wannabe.they ruled hongkong people,they send their governor to rule hongkong people and make hongkong a colony.waving a british flag is just ridiculous.

 

[Snomannen]

Sigh.......

1.) A blog contain an article that only said but not given any refernce is the quote of your source, then i can shut up.

2.) A Beijian will NOT call themselve Beijian Chinese in almost all circumstance he will say he is a Chinese From Beijian, same thing you would not hear an Ameican (Southern US as an exception) ID themselve Californian-American, they will either say they are Californian (People from california) or New Yorker (People from New York), but then you are saying it's ok to call Hong Kong Chinese?

Do you know we are talking about people calling them selve Hong Kong Chinese not Chinese from Hong Kong?

3.) I did think Hong Kong Poeple does not think themselve as normal or average Chinese, ask around in Hong Kong, they think the Chinese are mainland chinese and they are something else. I DO NOT THINK MYSELF IS A CHINESE period. I Neither have Chinese Passport nor born in China or Hong Kong.

4.) You are the one who don't know anything. ROC flag is the original Republic Of China flag that do not have the red background, uesd to represent the Government.

The flag is the same as KMT flag and they are the official ROC flag and with the name 青天白日旗

This is the Current Taiwan Flag

The flag name is called 青天白日滿地紅

Only the Mainland Chinese called this ROC flag as they never aaccept Taiwan is an entity, if you go to Taiwan and ask people around, they will tell you what you don't want to hear, but i very much doubt you have any interaction with any Taiwanese that cares

1.

I can't find the original article from Mingpao, but in the blog it mentioned that the original data was from the UofHK.
After comparing, the data is true, I wish you can search for "港大民意研究計劃 Public Opinion Programme of the U of HK" and see what it is.

2.

An American mentions himself is from Californian, so he is an American.
A Chinese mentions himself is from Beijing, so he is not a Chinese.
Why.

Hong Kong Chinese 中國香港人 and Chinese from Hong Kong 中國香港人are both the same concept.

3.

Yes sometimes when we chat with you people, we call 大陸人 Chinese and ourselves 港澳人 Hkese and "...from Macau".
So?

4.

"The flag that do not have the red background" IS A KMT FLAG ONLY. Oh my Gods.

青天白日旗 is NEVER A NATIONAL FLAG, it is just a KMT flag.
青天白日滿地紅 IS the national flag.

The first time you call "me" a troll, this time you are telling me "I" am wrong.

Please, forgive my offense, stop slapping yourself.


OMGOMGOMGOMG...

 

[jhungary]

That's not enough，everyone that is turely pround to be hongkonger should
hate the british colonizers，otherwise you are just a white wannabe.they ruled hongkong people,they send their governor to rule hongkong people and make hongkong a colony.waving a british flag is just ridiculous.

I am not from Hong Kong, i am half Chinese, my another half is White/Mexican, i do hate Britain, for whole another reason.

I do not believe people in Hong Kong should hate the British, they should not love the Brits, true, but why do they need to hate the British, thus i also believe, they should not hate, nor love China, you don't need to love or hate your own country to feel the national pride. Times changes and people need to move on, if you got too stuck up in the past, you will end up bittering for a few facts.

 

[Snomannen]

I am tired of all the typing. Please look at my post at Post #43 for answer.

I did not say Hong Kong people want to go back to British Rule

61.8%受訪者會稱自已為「香港人」，而會稱自己為「中國人」的有36.4%
And in your post, in 2007, there are still 61.8% call themselve Hogn Kong people "香港人" didn't you just proof my point.

Your #43 answers nothing.

I never say such thing like "Hong Kong people want to go back to British Rule"

No, I just proofed that you made up the data in your prior posts .

This time they only have 2 selection:
61.8% call themselves Hong Kong people.
36.4% call themselves Chinese.

Much clear, isn't it.

 

[jhungary]

1.

I can't find the original article from Mingpao, but in the blog it mentioned that the original data was from the UofHK.
After comparing, the data is true, I wish you can search for "港大民意研究計劃 Public Opinion Programme of the U of HK" and see what it is.

2.

An American mentions himself is from Californian, so he is an American.
A Chinese mentions himself is from Beijing, so he is not a Chinese.
Why.

Hong Kong Chinese 中國香港人 and Chinese from Hong Kong 中國香港人are both the same concept.

3.

Yes sometimes when we chat with you people, we call 大陸人 Chinese and ourselves 港澳人 Hkese and "...from Macau".
So?

4.

"The flag that do not have the red background" IS A KMT FLAG ONLY. Oh my Gods.

青天白日旗 is NEVER A NATIONAL FLAG, it is just a KMT flag.
青天白日滿地紅 IS the national flag.

The first time you call "me" a troll, this time you are telling me "I" am wrong.

Please, forgive my offense, stop slapping yourself.


OMGOMGOMGOMG...

LOL.......aren't you tired? Cus i do..

1.) I Guess then i will need to take your word for it............Not

2.) That's there is a problem. If you say Hong Kong Chinese is the same as Chinese in Hong Kong, then there is YOUR Problem. You can call yourselve American Chinese, Swedish American, but YOU NEVER EVER CALL YOURSELVE Hong Kong Chinese, then you would put the status of Hong Kong on par with CHina, which is NOT<> That's why you are wrong and if you cannot see it now, i can't help you.

You do realise while you can call yourselve a Chinese-American (A Chinese live in America) but You should not be calling yourselve Hong Kong Chinese (Hong Kogn is not the same status than China)

Hong Kong Chinese(&#39321;&#28207;&#30340;&#20013;&#22283;&#20154 not equal to Chinese in Hong Kong (&#20013;&#22283;&#30340;&#39321;&#28207;&#20154 not equal to &#20013;&#22283;&#20154;

3._) See point 2.

4.) Wow, you have to be stupid or you know nothing in Taiwan or ROC history. The first flag is the official flag they use to REPRESENT THE WHOLE OF CHINA UNDER ROC before WW2, the flag was used as Naval ensign hence is a national symbol (You can't use your party flag on your warship as your warship do not fight for your party, they fight for your country)

The latter flag was approved in the constitution of ROC in 1947. Can you read more about ROC History before we talk again? Thanks.

 

[Snomannen]

I am not from Hong Kong, i am half Chinese, my another half is White/Mexican, i do hate Britain, for whole another reason.

I do not believe people in Hong Kong should hate the British, they should not love the Brits, true, but why do they need to hate the British, thus i also believe, they should not hate, nor love China, you don't need to love or hate your own country to feel the national pride. Times changes and people need to move on, if you got too stuck up in the past, you will end up bittering for a few facts.

The British actually save a lot of Chinese indirectly, just saying.

 

[Snomannen]

LOL.......aren't you tired? Cus i do..

1.) I Guess then i will need to take your word for it............Not

2.) That's there is a problem. If you say Hong Kong Chinese is the same as Chinese in Hong Kong, then there is YOUR Problem. You can call yourselve American Chinese, Swedish American, but YOU NEVER EVER CALL YOURSELVE Hong Kong Chinese, then you would put the status of Hong Kong on par with CHina, which is NOT<> That's why you are wrong and if you cannot see it now, i can't help you.

You do realise while you can call yourselve a Chinese-American (A Chinese live in America) but You should not be calling yourselve Hong Kong Chinese (Hong Kogn is not the same status than China)

3._) See point 2.

4.) Wow, you have to be stupid or you know nothing in Taiwan or ROC history. The first flag is the official flag they use to REPRESENT THE WHOLE OF CHINA UNDER ROC before WW2, the flag was used as Naval ensign hence is a national symbol (You can't use your party flag on your warship as your warship do not fight for your party, they fight for your country)

The latter flag was approved in the constitution of ROC in 1947. Can you read more about ROC History before we talk again? Thanks.

1)
Your first article [the "90%" one] didn't even have any source and you have me to find one that suit your own demand?

I have march the data from the official website, I make a reference, which you didn't, so take it please.

2,3)

No, that is OUR problem, since I also a HK ID.

and you do realize the difference between &#20013;&#22283;&#39321;&#28207;&#20154; and &#39321;&#28207;&#20013;&#22283;&#20154;, right?

The first name of Hu Jintao is Jintao, not Hu. You know that right?
Same story goes to "Hong Kong Chinese",
can you accept it?

Chinese is not as same as English, especially in name style, my friend.

4)

They NEVER used [the first flag (KMT flag) to REPRESENT THE WHOLE OF CHINA UNDER ROC before WW2]
The latter flag is REALLY the the official flag.

Where did you learn your history my friend, seriously, where? Which "book"?

Oh my God.......s


Here, the official website of the Republic of China, please tell them they were, are wrong.
http://www.president.gov.tw/Default.aspx?tabid=1031

I know WIKIP is not a suitable website for ref., but, just take a look, please.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中華民國國旗