Child sex abuse in Pakistan’s religious schools is endemic

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Anybody remember this clown who went to prison for Rape of a minor...and others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaram

@CrazyZ @313ghazi @StormBreaker @masterchief_mirza @Syed Hammad Ahmed @PAKISTANFOREVER @Trango Towers @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @fitpOsitive

TBH regardless of the religion itself, a lot of clergy and religious people seem to produce a disproportionately higher number of gays, paedophile and other sexual deviants.

 

[padamchen]

do you want me to get involved in the thread with the same intentions as yours?

I see you getting whipped good on another where you are demonstrating your stupidity to your suffering countrymen from Germany.

But yes, if it's on topic, please.

Some of your non Pakistan posts are pretty good.

 

[fisher1]

Probably going to get banned but i don't care.

Saying this stuff on TV in India in a large gathering against Muslims gets you the position of Prime Minister in India. We should be allowed to reciprocate in the language Indians understand.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

I actually was pretty "don't care" about Hindus and Indians until they attacked my country out of nowhere and locked Kashmiris down for months and then started attacking Muslims for being Muslims.

That's when i realised these Hindus are stinking pieces of smelly shit. And it's not just a few but seems like majority of Hindus are shit eating behenchods and the sane people are a minority.

It's a fact because i see these behenchods posting here about Pakistan and defending Indian atrocities on Kashmiris and attacking Tablighis because these behenchods will be lockeddown because of coronavirus meanwhile they cheered the lockdown of Kashmiris for no reason.

Anyone who can support atrocities like those committed on Kashmiris is a stinking human being and Indians are those people. Behenchods, madarchods, filthy Hindus

You call Hindus filthy for defending atrocities committed on Kashmiris, yet you were not really defending the Pakistani children against which the sexual atrocities were committed in the madrassas.

Well if you want to discuss this topic in earnest, then here are my thoughts.

1. The child is the victim, I prepared my daughter at a very early age to recognize and react to potentially uncomfortable interactions with an adult. She is able to identify and avoid danger.
2. Next I removed the stigma from potential abuse and encouraged open and honest communication. I am confident if god forbid she is assaulted she will talk to me and not suffer in silence.
3. My best friend is a child psychologist, and often with very few exceptions abusers are relatives or people the child knows and trusts. So all this malarkey of it can't happen in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh etc. is BS.

now...tell me what are you after?

Should I be after something?
I post a lot of articles on this forum with different topics and regarding different countries.
This is what I have been doing since I became a member.
Why are you distrusting?

 

[El Sidd]

I see you getting whipped good on another where you are demonstrating your stupidity to your suffering countrymen from Germany.

But yes, if it's on topic, please.

Some of your non Pakistan posts are pretty good.

Why are you painting a cultural issue as a religious one?

all religions do cite it as a sin. and all cultures advocate killing of any such adult involved in it.

you can however blame the asian cultures for putting the teacher on a pedestal making them unaccountable for their heinous actions be it physical or mental harassment.

let me take a guess. you believe in strict disciplinary action for your kin because its "good" for him?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Child abuse happens in madrassas but the problem is not related to madrassas.

I agree, but reporting on the sexual abuse of children in the Catholic Church was covered in the same way - attention was given to that particular issue.

 

[dbc]

Why are you distrusting?

Because people who create such threads are typically interested in shaming and point scoring - nothing else.

 

[Trango Towers]

cultural just like honor killing, child marriages and oppression of women.

from Kasur to Bannu to Dir to Chitral. it is cultural.

just because 99 percent of people are registered as Muslim, does not make this as an Islamic issue.

Now here I agree with you.

Islam is perfect...people are not. Molvis are people. So figure.

I am sure you agree the article is heinous crime and those guilty must be punished severely

 

[Kailash Kumar]

People, I, are well aware of this. And in past, there have been many many changes in madrasa system. But it's not virus. It's a human thing, it appears time and again, here and there... But what you are trying to do here, is, a complete accusation, and that my friend, we will not accept.

I am not making a complete accusation, I am providing a wake-up call.
Although there have been many changes in the system, I believe you, that does not mean that the changes were made to help the children.
And even if they were, this article shows that not enough has been done.
The article can be seen as feedback for Pakistani officials that more needs to be done.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

A few cases in madrassas are blown out of proportion by some randi and behenchods to attack Islam.

That’s incorrect. As I mentioned in my previous post, the Western media covered child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church as well. It’s been covered in the media in serious TV shows and movies as well as through satire and by comedians.

The issue should be addressed on our side in detail as well.

 

[El Sidd]

Now here I agree with you.

Islam is perfect...people are not. Molvis are people. So figure.

I am sure you agree the article is heinous crime and those guilty must be punished severely

If the government you so harp about had some moral authority, these would be the first to get punished.

but the government employs nepotism and tyranny of the masses as tools of governance.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You call Hindus filthy for defending atrocities committed on Kashmiris, yet you were not really defending the Pakistani children against which the sexual atrocities were committed in the madrassas.

What is your real agenda? I have never known you to come out as a troll before. I thought you were decent.

We want the fiqh punishment for this crime, which is stoning to death by the whole society, victim's family and the victim can throw the first stone. It will heal the society of the wounds and instill fear into evil people.

We are dealing with this issue and it has been brought to light when a single mafia group in Kasur has abused numerous children last year. It is not endemic in Pakistan, but it does happen.

It is more beneficial when we Pakistanis can discuss this among ourselves, rather then when outsiders with little knowledge come and pass sweeping judgement and indictments.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

Because people who create such threads are typically interested in shaming and point scoring - nothing else.

I am not here to shame or to score points.
I am here to inform.

 

[padamchen]

Why are you painting a cultural issue as a religious one?

all religions do cite it as a sin. and all cultures advocate killing of any such adult involved in it.

you can however blame the asian cultures for putting the teacher on a pedestal making them unaccountable for their heinous actions be it physical or mental harassment.

let me take a guess. you believe in strict disciplinary action for your kin because its "good" for him?

I'm not even getting into the religious aspect.

It's you and Mentee who seem to be hyperdefensive about it.

Your response is not a whole lot different to his either.

Deflection.

He deflects with but-itis to Christian and Hindu clergy.

You, like the "Asian" grooming gang malarky pointed out by @Nilgiri are deflecting this to a regional, racial and cultural paradigm.

It's not possible to have an intelligent discussion in the midst of such self serving dishonesty.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@padamchen & other Indians.

There is resistance to discussing this issue as is in Pakistan due to various reasons. If referencing sexual abuse in other faiths helps discuss this issue, I wouldn’t stop it. I would suggest using sex abuse elsewhere to in fact help push the discussion in the correct direction. The mods will step in to prevent the issue going too far off topic.