Child sex abuse in Pakistan’s religious schools is endemic

[dbc]

Ok. I understand.
This type of strategy does work in the Netherlands though.
However, I believe you when you say that it does not work in Pakistan.
And, for me at least, this article does not change the image of Pakistan.



You do not want Pakistan to targeted, but the same thing you say will also be said by Indians and Americans.
Can it not be endemic in Pakistan, India and the United States?
I also have other non AP, non Western sources to back up the claims made in the original post:

Why are we silent about the sexual abuse at madrassas? (October 2019)
https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/89873/why-are-we-silent-about-the-sexual-abuse-at-madrassas/

Madrassas Are The Hubs of Child Abuse – About Time We Acted Against Them (December 2019)
https://nayadaur.tv/2019/12/madrassas-are-hubs-of-child-abuse-about-time-we-acted-against-them/



Ok. I agree. Death penalties are needed.
Believe it or not, but if Pakistan can bring justice to the victims, then this will improve the image of Pakistan.
What I am trying to say with this is, that even though you might see this article as an attack on Pakistan, which I do not think it is, I see it a chance for Pakistan.
A chance to show what justice is.

It is interesting to observe men discuss a serious topic like child abuse - honestly, and with zero exception none of the people commenting on this thread have the requisite intellect or emotional maturity to discuss this topic.

All I see is a bunch of men waving their d i c k s in each others faces.
@The Eagle @Horus @WebMaster please lock this thread.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

No surprise child sex / child abuse is rampant in pakistan in kpk its cultural they have a saying women are for producing offsprings whereas boys are for pleasure , than punjab well we all have heard about tons of stories from kasur and others from different areas , religous lot are famous for playing it safe they get married to under age kids in order to fullfil their desires .

Bus Addas , train stations have rest houses where kids "young boys" are used for the pleasure of truck drivers its a disgusting culture and its every where in the society

Are you from KPK?

 

[Kailash Kumar]

I am taught a 3 different madrasasas of different school of thoughts. No one tried this thing with me. I am not ugly.
But yes, this happens all over the world. Madrasas are no exception. While I was ready your post, I was thinking that this post is too narrow. I live in an advanced country of west, and I can have a child of 8 years, if I can pay for it, at my door steps. I can see child ****, if I want to. I read many times about child abuses in mandirs, churchs, and always considered this to be a general problem.
But yeah, shit happens.

If there is a fire in a forest in Pakistan, would you also say that forest fires happen everywhere, it is a general problem, and do nothing about it?
Or do you extinguish the forest fire in Pakistan, regardless of whether forest fires happen in other countries?

I was speaking from just number of cases alone. You cannot even compare Pakistan to India or US, but media makes it seem like it is a Pakistani and Muslim problem, it is not.

Evil human beings are everywhwre, but certain societies are more lenient with it. Pakistan is not among them.

Quoting liberal foreign funded mouth pieces doesn't prove anything.

You are attacking our culture and our faith. Madarris are not how you portray them, they are a safety net for refugees and the poor. Pakistan government is working to bring secular subjects to them and provide those children opportunities which they otherwise would not have.

Evil people abusing positions of power are the issues, not madarris.

Madrassas are just buildings.
It is the people in it that commit the crimes.

Read the title of the article again: 'Child sex abuse IN Pakistans religious schools is endemic'.
The journalists do not care about the building, they care about the crime.
If this would have happened in a non-religious school, then the title would be: 'Child sex abuse in Pakistans schools is endemic'.

And of course there are good people in madrassas doing good things.
But the good deeds of good people in a building do not negate the evil deeds of evil people in the same building.
You have to acknowledge that.

 

[ChennaiDude]

I've formed a conclusion that Muslims are not willing to learn their religion let alone teaching it to their kids therefore they are contented with this practice of hiring a cleric to do the rituals as I don't see nay reason why should we follow a judo Christian tradition of having a clergy churning factory like madrassa.

why can't all kids be allowed to attend a normal school and then make their mind after high school whether to go for honors in Islamic studies for profound knowledge of Islam or

 

[Kailash Kumar]

It is interesting to observe men discuss a serious topic like child abuse -

Men should discuss these topics, since it is the duty of men (and fathers) to protect their children and other children in the community.

with zero exception none of the people commenting on this thread have the requisite intellect or emotional maturity to discuss this topic.

All I see is a bunch of men waving their d i c k s in each others faces.

Interesting that you talk about intellect and emotional maturity, while you are the one who is also talking about 'waving their d i c k s in each others faces'.

Interesting.

 

[fitpOsitive]

If there is a fire in a forest in Pakistan, would you also say that forest fires happen everywhere , it is a general problem, and do nothing about it?
Or do you extinguish the forest fire in Pakistan, regardless of whether forest fires happen in other countries?



Madrassas are just buildings.
It is the people in it that commit the crimes.

Read the title of the article again: 'Child sex abuse IN Pakistans religious schools is endemic'.
The journalists do not care about the building, they care about the crime.
If this would have happened in a non-religious school, then the title would be: 'Child sex abuse in Pakistans schools is endemic'.

And of course there are good people in madrassas doing good things.
But the good deeds of good people in a building do not negate the evil deeds of evil people in the same building.
You have to acknowledge that.

Childish analogy.
So there is fire everywhere, will you say, there is fire only in Pakistan? And without noticing that people are already trying their level best to extinguish that fire?

 

[Kailash Kumar]

Childish analogy.
So there is fire everywhere, will you say, there is fire only in Pakistan?

There are fires everywhere, but people in other countries are already aware of their fires, yet people in Pakistan are in denial and try to brush it off as 'it happens everywhere'. They will also point to forest fires in other countries, even though they are standing next to a forest fire in Pakistan. You can read it here on this thread.

And without noticing that people are already trying their level best to extinguish that fire?

How can I notice the people that are trying their best, if most people are in denial?
I will then notice the denial of course.

 

[fisher1]

Also, you talk about 'stinking Hindus'. Did you come up with that all on your own, or did you learn that in a madrassa? Because if so, you might not be molested by mullahs, but you sure are indoctrinated into hating non-Muslims.

I actually was pretty "don't care" about Hindus and Indians, in fact i pitied them because of their extreme poverty and the diseases rampant in India which i learned as a microbiologist (TB, New Delhi metallobeta lactamase etc) until they attacked my country out of nowhere and locked Kashmiris down for months and then started attacking Muslims for being Muslims.

That's when i realised these Hindus are stinking pieces of smelly shit. And it's not just a few but seems like majority of Hindus are shit eating behenchods and the sane people are a minority.

It's a fact because i see these behenchods posting here about Pakistan and defending Indian atrocities on Kashmiris and attacking Tablighis because these.... will be lockeddown because of coronavirus meanwhile they cheered the lockdown of Kashmiris for no reason.

Anyone who can support atrocities like those committed on Kashmiris is a stinking human being and Indians are those people. filthy Hindus

 

[dbc]

Men should discuss these topics, since it is the duty of men (and fathers) to protect their children and other children in the community.



Interesting that you talk about intellect and emotional maturity, while you are the one who is also talking about 'waving their d i c k s in each others faces'.

Interesting.

Well if you want to discuss this topic in earnest, then here are my thoughts.

1. The child is the victim, I prepared my daughter at a very early age to recognize and react to potentially uncomfortable interactions with an adult. She is able to identify,respond to avoid danger.
2. Next I removed the stigma from potential abuse and encouraged open and honest communication. I am confident if god forbid she is assaulted she will talk to me and not suffer in silence.
3. My best friend is a child psychologist, and often with very few exceptions abusers are relatives or people the child knows and trusts. So all this malarkey of it can't happen in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh etc. is BS.

now...tell me what are you after?

 

[padamchen]

Those (spanning decades) grooming gangs in UK are "South Asian" or even just "Asian" bro....let us all be super understanding and "civil" for that. But when they give the hypocrite hate-filled chorus on other matters, you must give them their space to do that without question too.

Actually they do not understand that the predictable cringey selective camouflaging with larger group...just wakes up more people to their antics in the end and actually creates more investigation into why these people have such a hypocrisy....especially when it created the issue in first place (justification of sheltering and tolerating of their worst of bad apples while they all knew what was going on).

They are getting their just desserts over time on it from everyone else, rest assured on that (part of reason they seek safe spaces like this out increasingly and vent frustrations with all kind of language and attitude here).

Not everything gets neatly packed up and sorted out with niceties like Dhaka ceremony (after what their "not to be questioned" "best" did there). That is very upstream "understanding" now. Many of them subconsciously know that but wont admit it (here at least). People have run out of patience with this lot refusal to introspect and carry on like nothing happened and then do their "disguise" game with larger crowds they can disperse blame with. Yeah no.

Spot on. See hypocrisy, call it out.

See but-itis, call it out.

Let them know that we know. That we see.

This is at a smaller level a representation of what we are against with these educated flag bearers when talking about larger issues of violence.

The biggest positive out of the last 20 years being the final destruction of that much repeated phrase about peace.

Glibness has had its day.

 

[fitpOsitive]

There are fires everywhere, but people in other countries are already aware of their fires, yet people in Pakistan are in denial and try to brush it off as 'it happens everywhere'. They will also point to forest fires in other countries, even though they are standing next to a forest fire in Pakistan. You can read it here on this thread.



How can I notice the people that are trying their best, if most people are in denial?
I will then notice the denial of course.

People, I, are well aware of this. And in past, there have been many many changes in madrasa system. But it's not virus. It's a human thing, it appears time and again, here and there... But what you are trying to do here, is, a complete accusation, and that my friend, we will not accept.

 

[El Sidd]

Spot on. See hypocrisy, call it out.

See but-itis, call it out.

Let them know that we know. That we see.

This is at a smaller level a representation of what we are against with these educated flag bearers when talking about larger issues of violence.

The biggest positive out of the last 20 years being the final destruction of that much repeated phrase about peace.

Glibness has had its day.

do you want me to get involved in the thread with the same intentions as yours?

 

[pak-marine]

Are you from KPK?

are you surprised or do you disagree with any of it ?

 

[Trailer23]

Anybody remember this clown who went to prison for Rape of a minor...and others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaram

@CrazyZ @313ghazi @StormBreaker @masterchief_mirza @Syed Hammad Ahmed @PAKISTANFOREVER @Trango Towers @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @fitpOsitive

 

[padamchen]

I actually was pretty "don't care" about Hindus and Indians, in fact i pitied them because of their extreme poverty and the diseases rampant in India which i learned as a microbiologist (TB, New Delhi metallobeta lactamase etc) until they attacked my country out of nowhere and locked Kashmiris down for months and then started attacking Muslims for being Muslims.

That's when i realised these Hindus are stinking pieces of smelly shit. And it's not just a few but seems like majority of Hindus are shit eating behenchods and the sane people are a minority.

It's a fact because i see these behenchods posting here about Pakistan and defending Indian atrocities on Kashmiris and attacking Tablighis because these behenchods will be lockeddown because of coronavirus meanwhile they cheered the lockdown of Kashmiris for no reason.

Anyone who can support atrocities like those committed on Kashmiris is a stinking human being and Indians are those people. Behenchods, madarchods, filthy Hindus