Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Figaro]

"you constantly reject other people's points, despite overwhelming evidence, and press on with your own ludicrous ideas."

It is more like the other way, around, Bro. I am the one, with overwhelming evidence, and they have none, and still won't give up, their ludicrous ideas.

I can't be more understanding and compassionate now. A lie repeated a thousand times, has became the truth for them, now.

I am actually begin to appreciate them and thankful to them. Their vociferous opposition has made me to dig deeper and found the truth. And their incessant attacks and insults, has worn down my pride, and I am actually begin to apologize, if I think I was being rude and offensive.

This is unimaginable just 2 months, before.

Mr. @Deino, I thank God for him, and may God bless him. Banned me for two weeks, so I could cool down, when I went on a vicious attack on him. I have reflected on myself.

I realized that what I received in life, good or bad, is precisely what I dished out, myself.

If I give respect, where it is due, I will get respect, back. If I give disrespect, I will receive exactly the same thing, back, whether, I was "right" or not. It doesn't matter

I still want to tell the truths, as I know them, be of service to mankind. But I have much to learn to be gentle, and soften my "blows".

So I apologize if I have ruffled your feathers. Mr. Figaro.

I know you have said, that you came here to PDF to learn a few things or two.

I respect that.

If you want Peace, between China and US, and among all nations, on earth, then you are not my enemy, but my comrade, in arms.

Banned me for two weeks
You were banned by Deino? Wonder why ...

 

[Asoka]

"Really? Why do you have mention "peace" when your posts don't have any peaceful nature in them?"

Yes, really. I want Peace between US and China.

I am living in US with my family. I don't want a war between US and China, or anybody. That's my bottom line.

Those crazy neolibs and neocons, wants a war with everybody, particularly China and Russia.

It's my desire to see China has enough Air Power to deter any aggression, because a war between two nuclear powers will quickly become nuclear.

China has built an amazing jet with an amazingly powerful engine. I want to see China will have 500-1000 in the future. So it will have a credible deterrence against any aggression.

That's all.

"Banned me for two weeks"

Yes, banned for two weeks. I am less angry now, and have higher tolerance for insults. I have Deino, and those constant insults, to thank.

 

[Figaro]

"Really? Why do you have mention "peace" when your posts don't have any peaceful nature in them?"

Yes, really. I want Peace between US and China.

I am living in US with my family. I don't want a war between US and China, or anybody. That's my bottom line.

Those crazy neolibs and neocons, wants a war with everybody, particularly China and Russia.

It's my desire to see China has enough Air Power to deter any aggression, because a war between two nuclear powers will quickly become nuclear.

China has built an amazing jet with an amazingly powerful engine. I want to see China will have 500-1000 in the future. So it will have a credible deterrence against any aggression.

That's all.

"Banned me for two weeks"

Yes, banned for two weeks. I am less angry now, and have higher tolerance for insults. I have Deino, and those constant insults, to thank.

Neolibs and neocons are not stupid enough to get into wars with military superpowers ... the US can't even defeat the Taliban or Iraq despite 2 decades. Just imagine fighting China in the Pacific. I understand your longing to see the PLAAF gain air superiority, but the notion of 1000 J-20's are ridiculous in the short-medium term. And for the record, I never once insulted you or anything of that sort.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... STOP NOW !!

I agree with @Brainsucker: "Why don't both sides to agree to disagree?" ... non of us has proof, we all have only certain hints and evidences that we both weight differently and so come to different conclusions.

... and now back to topic.

 

[atan651]

I'm so very delighted J20 engines are domestic!

 

[Deino]

Deino,

latest documentary from CCTV showcasing the latest weapons in PLA. See 7:55 min for the quote saying J-20 is using domestic engine.

Thanks but my concern is still how much this new report is just based on that other report, which was soon deleted again.

Anyway thanks.

Deino

 

[samsara]

Thanks but my concern is still how much this new report is just based on that other report, which was soon deleted again.

Anyway thanks.

Deino

The video was aired by CCTV-4 (an International channel carried out in Chinese language) under program [Chinese Perspective] 《深度国际》 with the title "Modernization of China's Armed Forces" on 29 July 2017, thus the video has been sitting openly for nearly one month, so I don't think it will go away.

The video duration is relatively short, about 00:27:20, yet it covers a lot and gives a good peek even to those who pay no attention into this matter.

 

[Figaro]

Thanks but my concern is still how much this new report is just based on that other report, which was soon deleted again.

Anyway thanks.

Deino

Deino, this video did not feature any scenes of the deleted Liming documentary, which contained classified info. I don't even think it the same channel; CCTV-4 usually gets its military info directly from CCTV-7, the official military channel. You can see the documentary is mostly accurate; it details the Chinese advancement in EMALs just like professor Ma Weiming said.

 

[Deino]

Ok .. so next we need - even if You might forgive my hesitation to celebrate - is the designation of that engine and its specifications.

 

[Asoka]

Ok .. so next we need - even if You might forgive my hesitation to celebrate - is the designation of that engine and its specifications.

So do you agreed, Mr. Deino, the choice is now between Ws-15, and the supposed Ws-10b or WS-10X?

For the record, I do not think, there is any connection, whatsover, between what engine is installed in J-20 and being a good Moderator. And Mr. Deino is a good, able Mod. So I am perfectly willingly, to let go of, whatever bet, it was made on this issue, and let the bygone, be begone. And bury any hard feelings and passions, that was aroused by this issue.

It was unfortunate, that this bet was ever made, and I regretted that I raised it up, in the past. I hope Mr. Deino will continue be our Mod. , if the engine designation is unmistakably confirmed, once and for all.

 

[Figaro]

Ok .. so next we need - even if You might forgive my hesitation to celebrate - is the designation of that engine and its specifications.

I think the WS-10X may be too classified at this point, just like the PLA's next generation nuclear submarines. But little by little, they're releasing information!

 

[Deino]

So do you agreed, Mr. Deino, the choice is now between Ws-15, and the supposed Ws-10b or WS-10X?

For the record, I do not think, there is any connection, whatsover, between what engine is installed in J-20 and being a good Moderator. And Mr. Deino is a good, able Mod. So I am perfectly willingly, to let go of, whatever bet, it was made on this issue, and let the bygone, be begone. And bury any hard feelings and passions, that was aroused by this issue.

It was unfortunate, that this bet was ever made, and I regretted that I raised it up, in the past. I hope Mr. Deino will continue be our Mod. , if the engine designation is unmistakably confirmed, once and for all.

No; I do not agree. It is a hint into a certain direction but I don't rate this a proof. In general "my" reliable friends in China, who I thrust very much and more than most of the regular posters at any forum, rate the typical CCTV-reports as not reliable. Most of the material is collected via different internet rumors and put together by "reporters", which are barely experts nor credible. Some of the commenters might indeed have access to classified information but they simply play that game. True classified information were never revealed to the public in this way ... this is at least their statement.

As such I beg to accept that I prefer to wait until I accept this mystery as solved.

And now guys I'm out to celebrate by daughter's birthday.

Deino

 

[Figaro]

I can't believe that some posters still resort to strawman attacks on CCTV's credibility; the CCTV-4 clearly gets its information off CCTV-7, the official military channel and thus is unlikely to be inaccurate. Especially since the interview got several other key areas correct, such as the Ma Weiming's IEPs and EMAL's. But as always, I got ripped by some posters for just hinting on the possibility of a domestic engine on the J-20 ... sad

No; I do not agree. It is a hint into a certain direction but I don't rate this a proof. In general "my" reliable friends in China, who I thrust very much and more than most of the regular posters at any forum, rate the typical CCTV-reports as not reliable. Most of the material is collected via different internet rumors and put together by "reporters", which are barely experts nor credible. Some of the commenters might indeed have access to classified information but they simply play that game. True classified information were never revealed to the public in this way ... this is at least their statement.

As such I beg to accept that I prefer to wait until I accept this mystery as solved.

Deino

Deino, these reliable friends did not even give us an accurate name on the Type 001A carrier which was named 002 all along. If they can't even name something this basic, how credible is that. CCTV's credibility should be better than any Big shrimp, especially given it hasn't been yanked from the website yet ... maybe we should start accepting the ways things are

I can't believe that some posters still resort to strawman attacks on CCTV's credibility; the CCTV-4 clearly gets its information off CCTV-7, the official military channel and thus is unlikely to be inaccurate. Especially since the interview got several other key areas correct, such as the Ma Weiming's IEPs and EMAL's. But as always, I got ripped by some posters for just hinting on the possibility of a domestic engine on the J-20 ... sad


Deino, these reliable friends did not even give us an accurate name on the Type 001A carrier which was named 002 all along. If they can't even name something this basic, how credible is that. CCTV's credibility should be better than any Big shrimp, especially given it hasn't been yanked from the website yet ... maybe we should start accepting the ways things are. Many fellow members believe that they are so accurate and will not accept anything that contradicts their views. Have they even pointed out why CCTV is so inaccurate?

People saying CCTV is inaccurate, please point out an instance that it mistakenly reported something? Since there are so many straw-man arguments going on. You shouldn't just resort to attacking the credibility of a source without proper justification (Ad Hominem)

 

[Deino]

...
Deino, these reliable friends did not even give us an accurate name on the Type 001A carrier which was named 002 all along. If they can't even name something this basic, how credible is that. CCTV's credibility should be better than any Big shrimp, especially given it hasn't been yanked from the website yet ... maybe we should start accepting the ways things are

Nope !
To admit the guys I know are not the typical big shrimps and they are surely not bloating around what they know. They are calm, careful in the way they answer, respectful and so far they were never deliberately wrong with anything answer they gave me.

As such some might call this ignorant, arrogant or plain stubborn ... I call it careful.

If You and others agree, then it's fine but out of the three options on the table (AL-31-derivate, WS-10-variant, WS-15) they all rejected the WS-options and even if ball were quite undecided with my theory, they all prefer my option. But we will see.


Deino

 

[Figaro]

Or he smoked a lot of certain herbs and mixed it with a very blooming imagination.

Come one; there are countless of such "very exact and detailed" reports all over the net. But point is, how reliable is this certain poster in general. Is this just one post that looks good and otherwise there's nothing from him ??

Even more I really question these reports concerning the WS-15 being based on the R-79; in fact an unreliable and unsuccessful engine that was a failure even in Russia.

Deino

These "herbs" are banned in China and violators may be executed