Chattogram witnessing topmost development.

[bluesky]

This is corruption perception index not the physical corruption. We bengalis have the bad habit of complaining all the time which resulted the index to go down.

Do you mean to say whatever may be the index says, corruption is not that prevalent in BD? People are complaining of nothing without a substance.

 

[Hasan89]

This will not be tolerated here. Decide if you want to continue to post here or have that privilege taken away.

Sanity prevails!!!

Bossman. Hats off to you. For a moment I thought all the mods and administrators turning a blind eye on this section where Indian trolls are taking it as some sort of respite heaven for them especially the Hindutva fanatics as such as Nilgiri and some Southie who is trying to impress his masters by trolling BDESH section hoping he gets some free beef or something allowed for sometime without being punished by the Hindutvas.


The BD section. Always gets derailed by some ultra obnoxious Indians. Seriously, they make this forum a low quality, seem corrupt where theres no mods around. All they do is try to degrade, malign Bangladesh at anyways possible and turn anything into negative, they are so obnoxious and cringeworthy. That’s the agenda here. It ses that’s the only ways they get some sort of joy in their boring lifes, coming on this forum to troll BD.

We Bangladeshis despise them because of their arrogance, not interested in them nor do we hate them as much as it may sound. We aren’t bothered about them. We don’t mind, healthy discussions and any sort of constructive criticism is normal anywhere but it’s how it’s done. Indians here are purely out to troll and malign Bangladesh. Which nor cannot take nor tolerate hence in response after having enough some of us get heated otherwise we are open minded civilised people unlike them.


Thanks for speaking out. Bossman

 

[Homo Sapiens]

We're not expecting Norway or Denmark like situation in BD.....but lets look at some others. BD's score in CPI is 26. Pakistan's 32 and India's 40. Can we call them as corrupt as BD? Secondly, expecting BD to be better than Myanmar, Sierra Leon, Mozambique, is it too much to ask? BD's corruption index sucks. And what sucks even more is people trying to defend it.

I am not defending corruption rather asking to be realistic and not to do canning a weak horse to run at 100 mile speed which some of us here like Bluesky expect. The truth is all these three countries are highly corrupt. But also developing fast.Few percentage point here and there have little difference. Bangladesh's point is 26 and India's 40 does not mean India is 40-26=14 times less corrupt that Bangladesh.It mean's it is somewhat less corrupt than Bangladesh.Even if Bangladesh achieve 41 point, it will not guarranty that Bangladesh will develop twice as much as it is now. It seems, your main anguish is why Bangladesh is more corrupt in TI ranking than India, Pakistan or Myanmar? Or if we can surpass them then all our problem with corruption will vanish. But this is not how things proceed. Quantifying an abstract concept like corruption requires a lot of guesswork on part of who put that ranking with plenty of margin of error. Bangladesh is 143rd and Myanmar is 130th. Such a close position when both are at the letter half of the ranking, it is impossible to say with certainty that Bangladesh is more corrupt than Myanmar.Just make some of the variable here and there, Bangladesh will show less corrupt than Myanmar.That's why I am saying that this ranking is not the ultimate truth and should not be accepted in a literal senses.Have you seen university admission test score? Your friend scored just 0.1 more than you in 100 marks, but he is 100 place ahead than you in university's eligibility list.Does mean your friend is 100 times meritorious than you? Off course not.This TI ranking with 200 countries is much like that.Just because we are ranked some place behind than India or Pakistan does not mean we are doomed.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Do you mean to say whatever may be the index says, corruption is not that prevalent in BD? People are complaining of nothing without a substance.

What @TopCat said held some merit.Many of us Bengalis has a very low self-respect and low self-esteem as well a very low opinion about our own country.That's why some of us do not hesitate to ridicule or complain about our country in front of foreigners. Those Bengalis do not even have a sense that by doing so, they are degrading themselves foremost. But an Indian or Pakistani will never do that. They are proud of their country and will never allow to degrade themselves or their motherland in front of foreigners.TI's ranking depends a lot about public perception and newspaper footage.Our low self respect and an extra pessimistic outlook concerning corruption certainly played a part on how TI judged Bangladesh's corruption.

 

[bête noire]

We're not expecting Norway or Denmark like situation in BD.....but lets look at some others. BD's score in CPI is 26. Pakistan's 32 and India's 40. Can we call them as corrupt as BD? Secondly, expecting BD to be better than Myanmar, Sierra Leon, Mozambique, is it too much to ask? BD's corruption index sucks. And what sucks even more is people trying to defend it.

BD growth rate is far ahead of PK especially in per capita metric because of population growth. If being 26 instead of 32 mattered all that much, wouldn't the growth rate be reversed? I am not talking about one-off thing either, BD has been consistently performing far better at about any social and economic growth terms for many years now despite the CPI difference. Corruption of course is rampant in BD and it sucks, but to make doomsday prediction for BD because of that?

If recent long history, say 10-15 years, is anything to go by, then I see BD continuing to grow the way it is and even faster. Because corruption wasn't absent while the high level of growth BD had in the last decade and the rate of growth keeps rising. I would say, going by the trend and also other favourable future situations like certainty in Hasina remaining PM, that BD growth rate will stay high or even increase rate of growth.

 

[UKBengali]

Oh!! Seems you forgot to write the corruption reports in other countries. Note the excerpts below to know how corruption is not destroying the South Korean Society to a sinkhole like BD is now.

"Snapshot

Corruption presents moderate risks for businesses operating or planning to invest in South Korea. The Criminal Code criminalizes the main forms of corruption, and the Act on Anti-Corruption and the Establishment and Operation of the Anti-Corruption & Civil Rights Commission includes a Code of Conduct for public-sector employees and regulates conflicts of interest and asset disclosure".

"The Improper Solicitation and Graft Act eliminates a requirement to provide direct evidence between a monetary reward and a favor to secure a corruption conviction and holds companies liable for their employees’ corrupt misconduct. Anti-corruption legislation is increasingly enforced in South Korea. Facilitation payments are prohibited".

"Strict limits for hospitality and gift-giving to public officials have come into force. South Koreans recently witnessed the largest corruption case the country has ever seen. Following numerous allegations of corruption and influence peddling, ex-President Park faced impeachment in late 2016 and was, months later, indicted on charges of bribery, abuse of office and other corruption-related offenses. The scandal has spread to involve the highest echelons of the conglomerate Samsung as well".

@UKBengali, so please do not make up your story on corruption, please. Since our own tails are cut, the Chetona guys like you think that tails of developed nations are also cut. I am surprised to read how a person can support corruption!! India is certainly a corrupt country and that is why it is still limping on development. Some petty officials in the Chinese Communist Party are a little corrupt. But, the scale is not as high as BD. Do not please compare a TIL with TAL. BD does not have yet even a Code of Conduct.

You are showing people that you are stupid and/or have an agenda.

Your highlighted "Improper Solicitation and Graft Act" came into force in 2016 in S Korea!
The GDP/capita of Korea then was around 40,000 US dollars at PPP - the same as developed countries as France or Japan.

I ask again, who are you and what is your agenda? You really are skating on very thin ice here.

 

[Bilal9]

It seems, your main anguish is why Bangladesh is more corrupt in TI ranking than India, Pakistan or Myanmar? Or if we can surpass them then all our problem with corruption will vanish. But this is not how things proceed. Quantifying an abstract concept like corruption requires a lot of guesswork on part of who put that ranking with plenty of margin of error. Bangladesh is 143rd and Myanmar is 130th. Such a close position when both are at the letter half of the ranking, it is impossible to say with certainty that Bangladesh is more corrupt than Myanmar.Just make some of the variable here and there, Bangladesh will show less corrupt than Myanmar.That's why I am saying that this ranking is not the ultimate truth and should not be accepted in a literal senses.

What @TopCat said held some merit.Many of us Bengalis has a very low self-respect and low self-esteem as well a very low opinion about our own country.That's why some of us do not hesitate to ridicule or complain about our country in front of foreigners. Those Bengalis do not even have a sense that by doing so, they are degrading themselves foremost. But an Indian or Pakistani will never do that. They are proud of their country and will never allow to degrade themselves or their motherland in front of foreigners.TI's ranking depends a lot about public perception and newspaper footage.Our low self respect and an extra pessimistic outlook concerning corruption certainly played a part on how TI judged Bangladesh's corruption.

Very well said. My thoughts exactly.

BD has been consistently performing far better at about any social and economic growth terms for many years now despite the CPI difference. Corruption of course is rampant in BD and it sucks, but to make doomsday prediction for BD because of that?

Good point bhai.

who are you and what is your agenda

Hai kada ar koitthon aisey bhai jigan tarey.

Allahr duniyae emon cheez duita dekhi nai.

Bangladeshi boilla dabi korey magar Bangla janena.

For those who are talking about corruption in Bangladesh, it is certainly not at the top of the scale globally. Not even close.

I've been to govt. offices in Jakarta where bribe amounts are printed and posted on the wall. And this is a country whose GDP is higher than Bangladesh.

Also - here is the situation of Romania, which is in Europe, as described in Quora.

"Healthcare is provided by the state in Romania. A doctor fresh out of school gets around 300 - 400 EUR a month and "established" doctors get up to 1000-1700 EUR a month. A studio or 1 bedroom apartment's rent in Bucharest is around 200 EUR a month in a pretty bad neighborhood if add the utilities and costs of living you just can't make it without at 500 EUR a month so bribing a young doctor who works in a state hospital it's just helping him survive.

Here if you have to get a surgery you bribe everyone from the doctor who performs it, the anesthesiologist to the nurses. It also depends of how much money you make (or they think you make), if they think you make more money they'll expect more. It depends on what surgery you get, what specialty the doctor has, if he is also lecturing at the university, etc. The doctors can get up to 1000 EUR (if they're a neurosurgeon who is lecturing at the university and performs a difficult job), anesthesiologists can get up to 500 if it's a long operation, nurses get like 3-5 EUR a day and then there's the nurses' helpers who get like 1 EUR a day. If you have a low income you might get away with lower sums for doctors but not for nurses.

People also bribe police or judges here in some situations, I haven't really been in this situations but the amount varies. You can bribe like 30-100 EUR for speeding or other minor traffic related issues. I heard of people giving up to 2000 EUR not to get their driver's licences annuled for drunk driving. Judges will tell you the amount but you have to be pretty well connected to bribe a judge.

You can also bribe to get shit done faster / not wait in line etc. People bribe to get building permits faster (it takes forever here) or any kind of extensive paperwork that needs to get done. Or of you don't want to wait in line for 6 hours to register you car you can casually pass 30 EUR to the person at the register but be discreet about it, put them in a newspaper or something.

For small favours you can bribe with chocolates, a pack of coffee or a bottle of alcohol but that is slowly dying.

You have to talk to people form your area to find out what kind of money or bartering is involved in the specific area you have to bribe.

In Eastern Europe and Far Eastern countries bribing is national sport. Speakers of latin languages are more inclined to receive bribe ( Italy, Spain, Portugal, France not so much), never try to bribe in Germany, Nordic Countries, Japan etc (there is no need to bribe there, the system works just fine on it's own). Pretty much all countries with low income rely on bribe."

Talk with locals and find out what the bribing etiquette is. For example here when you bribe the nurse you put the money in her pocket, she might say "Oh no, no, thanks" you say "Oh please take it" she'll ALWAYS take it. Doctors on the other hand you bribe behind closed doors, in their office etc.

Here is actual situation in India which is not very different than in Bangladesh. I don't believe these TI people because they never disclose what method or KPI they use to measure 'perceived' bribery.

"I can speak for situation in India. Bribery is generally associated with tasks where you have to deal with Government employees. Few common scenarios below (conversion rate 1 USD = 65 Indian Rupees) -

• Policemen harassing shopkeepers, unauthorized stalls, squatters for valid or invalid reasons and letting go for a bribe. Bribe could be a free meal from a Restaurant owner, few hundred Rupees from unauthorized sellers.
• Traffic Police letting go traffic violators for a bribe. Traffic tickets are generally around Rupees 200 - 2,000 depending on violation. Bribes to get away can be Rupees 100 - 1,000...whatever you can get away with.
• Inspectors (safety, food quality, environmental...) giving a clearance certificate to a Restaurant owner, Factory owner, Construction company. Bribes can run in hundreds of thousands of Rupees.
• Agents loitering outside Driving License office who have connects inside the department and take bribes (shared with officials) to get your tasks done. Bribes can be Rupees 500 - 5,000.
• Agents outside Property Registrar's offices who have fixed rates of bribe for registering properties. This is an example of more organized bribing. Registering an Apartment that you bought may entail a Rupees 30,000 bribe which is sort of fixed and everyone pays a similar rate. From the Registrar down to the clerk, bribe amount gets shared in proportion to their grade.
• Agents outside Passport Office or Marriage Registration Office or National ID card office doing the same routine. On average, Rupees 500-5,000 depending on task.
• Income Tax Office, Sales Tax Office, Excise Department, Customs Department. Bribe in general would be a certain % of the amount of your total transaction.

Other than Government, bribes are common for admissions to good Primary Schools (From Rupees 50,000 to 300,000), Engineering Colleges, and Medical Colleges since seats are limited. Bribes in medical colleges for up to Rupees 7 million - 10 million are common. I have heard of bribery in Media where a Newspaper, magazine, or TV channel takes a bribe to report news in favor of certain individual or organization. No idea about amounts involved. Then there's the whole crony capitalism which is basically Corporate-Politician nexus and involves Big Ticket bribes.

The factors that impact amount of bribe are (along with few tips) -

• How critical is it for you to get something done or how much influence does the official have? If you have to travel abroad for a lifetime opportunity and need passport within a week, you would of course be willing to shell out more. Official will try to quantify your need and demand on that basis. If a Medical college has only 5 seats left and there are hundred people willing to give a bribe, simple economic principle of demand-supply will jack up the price. TIP - Try not to divulge your desperation or share more details than needed. Not much you can do to fight the demand-supply situation.
• Your paying capacity - Bribe takers try to gauge your financial situation based on your clothes, accessories (watch, jewelry), car, where you live, etc. TIP - Make sure you wear old, worn out clothes and hide any signs of deep pockets. Try not to drop any hints of personal wealth. Take someone along who is more rustic than you are and comfortable at chatting in such scenarios. I was once visiting India while I was working in the US and in a situation where the Government Official figured out that I was on winter break for 2-3 weeks and must have to return. He asked me how much $$ I earned in the US?
• Bribe taker's authority/level - Of course, junior clerks deserve smaller amounts while senior officials command higher rates. TIP - Senior official in India may not take the bribe directly. May not even give you hint on expected amount. You need to interact with his junior (generally sitting outside his cabin) to figure out the range and pay it to the junior instead. Senior official may even get upset if you are direct about bribe.
• Currency denominations - Indian Rupee Notes come in denominations of 10, 20, 50, 100, 500, 1000. (fyi 1 USD = Rupees 65). Inflation is high in India, and every few years the 100 Rupee note becomes worth lesser and lesser. On the spot bribe is also a function of what denomination you are carrying at that moment. TIP - Make sure you are carrying smaller denominations as well so that you can quickly give 3 of 100 notes rather than parting with 1 of 1000. Note that 2 bills of 500 have more psychological value than 1 of 1000. In case, you put one and guy says it's not enough, you can give him few more. Make sure your wallet is near empty...hide bills in other pockets. Showing your empty wallet works as well!
• Paying in kind - In India, Scotch Whiskey does wonders! Just like people in Western world appreciate a good bottle of wine, Indians love their whiskey. A good bottle can take you much further than cash. These days, you get most of goods in India but few years ago, imported stuff (perfumes, cigarettes, etc) were hugely popular as well.
• Your profile and personality - In India, I noticed older people (65+) sometimes are able to confidently deny bribing and still manage to get things done. Note that bribe takers know intrinsically that what they are doing is not right and if someone takes a moral stand, they sort of retract their position. Why mess with an old person who may create nuisance and still not be generous with a bribe? If you speak the lingo of the bribe taker, chances are you connect better and manage a discount on the bribe amount rather than if you show a serious, defensive attitude. Bribe takers do not incur any loss even if they get paid less, so there is more potential flexibility on their side. TIP - Take your grandparent or someone old along and let them do the negotiation. Chances are they'll get the work done without paying anything!

I am not by any means endorsing giving or taking bribes. Unfortunately, reality of life is such that you cannot solve world hunger and sometimes have to bend your principles just to get the task done and move ahead."

https://www.quora.com/In-countries-...how-do-you-know-what-amount-of-bribe-to-offer

 

[Nilgiri]

Very well said. My thoughts exactly.



Good point bhai.



Hai kada ar koitthon aisey bhai jigan tarey.

Allahr duniyae emon cheez duita dekhi nai.

Bangladeshi boilla dabi korey magar Bangla janena.

For those who are talking about corruption in Bangladesh, it is certainly not at the top of the scale globally. Not even close.

I've been to govt. offices in Jakarta where bribe amounts are printed and posted on the wall. And this is a country whose GDP is higher than Bangladesh.

Also - here is the situation of Romania, which is in Europe, as described in Quora.

"Healthcare is provided by the state in Romania. A doctor fresh out of school gets around 300 - 400 EUR a month and "established" doctors get up to 1000-1700 EUR a month. A studio or 1 bedroom apartment's rent in Bucharest is around 200 EUR a month in a pretty bad neighborhood if add the utilities and costs of living you just can't make it without at 500 EUR a month so bribing a young doctor who works in a state hospital it's just helping him survive.

Here if you have to get a surgery you bribe everyone from the doctor who performs it, the anesthesiologist to the nurses. It also depends of how much money you make (or they think you make), if they think you make more money they'll expect more. It depends on what surgery you get, what specialty the doctor has, if he is also lecturing at the university, etc. The doctors can get up to 1000 EUR (if they're a neurosurgeon who is lecturing at the university and performs a difficult job), anesthesiologists can get up to 500 if it's a long operation, nurses get like 3-5 EUR a day and then there's the nurses' helpers who get like 1 EUR a day. If you have a low income you might get away with lower sums for doctors but not for nurses.

People also bribe police or judges here in some situations, I haven't really been in this situations but the amount varies. You can bribe like 30-100 EUR for speeding or other minor traffic related issues. I heard of people giving up to 2000 EUR not to get their driver's licences annuled for drunk driving. Judges will tell you the amount but you have to be pretty well connected to bribe a judge.

You can also bribe to get shit done faster / not wait in line etc. People bribe to get building permits faster (it takes forever here) or any kind of extensive paperwork that needs to get done. Or of you don't want to wait in line for 6 hours to register you car you can casually pass 30 EUR to the person at the register but be discreet about it, put them in a newspaper or something.

For small favours you can bribe with chocolates, a pack of coffee or a bottle of alcohol but that is slowly dying.

You have to talk to people form your area to find out what kind of money or bartering is involved in the specific area you have to bribe.

In Eastern Europe and Far Eastern countries bribing is national sport. Speakers of latin languages are more inclined to receive bribe ( Italy, Spain, Portugal, France not so much), never try to bribe in Germany, Nordic Countries, Japan etc (there is no need to bribe there, the system works just fine on it's own). Pretty much all countries with low income rely on bribe."

Talk with locals and find out what the bribing etiquette is. For example here when you bribe the nurse you put the money in her pocket, she might say "Oh no, no, thanks" you say "Oh please take it" she'll ALWAYS take it. Doctors on the other hand you bribe behind closed doors, in their office etc.

Here is actual situation in India which is not very different than in Bangladesh. I don't believe these TI people because they never disclose what method or KPI they use to measure 'perceived' bribery.

"I can speak for situation in India. Bribery is generally associated with tasks where you have to deal with Government employees. Few common scenarios below (conversion rate 1 USD = 65 Indian Rupees) -

• Policemen harassing shopkeepers, unauthorized stalls, squatters for valid or invalid reasons and letting go for a bribe. Bribe could be a free meal from a Restaurant owner, few hundred Rupees from unauthorized sellers.
• Traffic Police letting go traffic violators for a bribe. Traffic tickets are generally around Rupees 200 - 2,000 depending on violation. Bribes to get away can be Rupees 100 - 1,000...whatever you can get away with.
• Inspectors (safety, food quality, environmental...) giving a clearance certificate to a Restaurant owner, Factory owner, Construction company. Bribes can run in hundreds of thousands of Rupees.
• Agents loitering outside Driving License office who have connects inside the department and take bribes (shared with officials) to get your tasks done. Bribes can be Rupees 500 - 5,000.
• Agents outside Property Registrar's offices who have fixed rates of bribe for registering properties. This is an example of more organized bribing. Registering an Apartment that you bought may entail a Rupees 30,000 bribe which is sort of fixed and everyone pays a similar rate. From the Registrar down to the clerk, bribe amount gets shared in proportion to their grade.
• Agents outside Passport Office or Marriage Registration Office or National ID card office doing the same routine. On average, Rupees 500-5,000 depending on task.
• Income Tax Office, Sales Tax Office, Excise Department, Customs Department. Bribe in general would be a certain % of the amount of your total transaction.

Other than Government, bribes are common for admissions to good Primary Schools (From Rupees 50,000 to 300,000), Engineering Colleges, and Medical Colleges since seats are limited. Bribes in medical colleges for up to Rupees 7 million - 10 million are common. I have heard of bribery in Media where a Newspaper, magazine, or TV channel takes a bribe to report news in favor of certain individual or organization. No idea about amounts involved. Then there's the whole crony capitalism which is basically Corporate-Politician nexus and involves Big Ticket bribes.

The factors that impact amount of bribe are (along with few tips) -

• How critical is it for you to get something done or how much influence does the official have? If you have to travel abroad for a lifetime opportunity and need passport within a week, you would of course be willing to shell out more. Official will try to quantify your need and demand on that basis. If a Medical college has only 5 seats left and there are hundred people willing to give a bribe, simple economic principle of demand-supply will jack up the price. TIP - Try not to divulge your desperation or share more details than needed. Not much you can do to fight the demand-supply situation.
• Your paying capacity - Bribe takers try to gauge your financial situation based on your clothes, accessories (watch, jewelry), car, where you live, etc. TIP - Make sure you wear old, worn out clothes and hide any signs of deep pockets. Try not to drop any hints of personal wealth. Take someone along who is more rustic than you are and comfortable at chatting in such scenarios. I was once visiting India while I was working in the US and in a situation where the Government Official figured out that I was on winter break for 2-3 weeks and must have to return. He asked me how much $$ I earned in the US?
• Bribe taker's authority/level - Of course, junior clerks deserve smaller amounts while senior officials command higher rates. TIP - Senior official in India may not take the bribe directly. May not even give you hint on expected amount. You need to interact with his junior (generally sitting outside his cabin) to figure out the range and pay it to the junior instead. Senior official may even get upset if you are direct about bribe.
• Currency denominations - Indian Rupee Notes come in denominations of 10, 20, 50, 100, 500, 1000. (fyi 1 USD = Rupees 65). Inflation is high in India, and every few years the 100 Rupee note becomes worth lesser and lesser. On the spot bribe is also a function of what denomination you are carrying at that moment. TIP - Make sure you are carrying smaller denominations as well so that you can quickly give 3 of 100 notes rather than parting with 1 of 1000. Note that 2 bills of 500 have more psychological value than 1 of 1000. In case, you put one and guy says it's not enough, you can give him few more. Make sure your wallet is near empty...hide bills in other pockets. Showing your empty wallet works as well!
• Paying in kind - In India, Scotch Whiskey does wonders! Just like people in Western world appreciate a good bottle of wine, Indians love their whiskey. A good bottle can take you much further than cash. These days, you get most of goods in India but few years ago, imported stuff (perfumes, cigarettes, etc) were hugely popular as well.
• Your profile and personality - In India, I noticed older people (65+) sometimes are able to confidently deny bribing and still manage to get things done. Note that bribe takers know intrinsically that what they are doing is not right and if someone takes a moral stand, they sort of retract their position. Why mess with an old person who may create nuisance and still not be generous with a bribe? If you speak the lingo of the bribe taker, chances are you connect better and manage a discount on the bribe amount rather than if you show a serious, defensive attitude. Bribe takers do not incur any loss even if they get paid less, so there is more potential flexibility on their side. TIP - Take your grandparent or someone old along and let them do the negotiation. Chances are they'll get the work done without paying anything!

I am not by any means endorsing giving or taking bribes. Unfortunately, reality of life is such that you cannot solve world hunger and sometimes have to bend your principles just to get the task done and move ahead."

https://www.quora.com/In-countries-...how-do-you-know-what-amount-of-bribe-to-offer

a) It takes a special level of corruption to claim TFR of 2.1, but have teenage pregnancy and child marriage levels much HIGHER than Afghanistan.

Pakistan's figures: Child marriage is 13.1% and teen pregnancy birth rate is 38.3.

SL figures: Child marriage is 6% and teen pregnancy birth rate is 14.2.

Myanmar figures: 12.6% and 16.2

Afghanistan child marriage = 19.7%, Teen pregnancy birth rate = 71.2

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tota...n-in-bangladesh-in-2011.561639/#post-10537580

b) It takes a special level of corruption to claim life expectancy of 70+ while sending a million medical refugees to India, SELLING LAND often just to afford it:

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ess-bangladeshis-stranded-in-kolkata-4370748/

Take Mustafijure Rahman, for instance. A Bangladeshi citizen, he came to Kolkata with high-value denominations. On Wednesday the brother-sister duo queued for four hours before leaving with some money. They’ll need to go back again on Saturday when some tests are scheduled. “We come to India for treatment because we know that here the quality of medication and treatmentis far superior to Dhaka. It’s more expensive, but it’s a matter of life and death. We sold land to come here, and now that money has been rendered useless,” he said.

c) It takes a special level of corruption to send boat loads of illegal immigrants (while claiming everything rosy at home) so much so that they are the largest source in Europe now:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ing-dhaka-dubai-turkey-detained-a7713911.html

d) It takes a special level of corruption to shrink your sample sizes to get more propaganda feelz for sheeple:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/repo...ality-credibility.525379/page-2#post-10481823

e) It takes a special level of corruption by incessantly attempting to compare to a country your own members admit sending illegals to:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/risi...ance-continues-in-april.556964/#post-10466962

Two of her sons work in Chennai/Bangalore at some garmwnt industry. A life story among many others, who remitt their hard-earned Dollar to our state coffer.

f) It takes a special level of corruption to have have a capital city ranked alongside complete warzones in liveability....esp while claiming this and that rosy economic growth and income projections on a lousy inflation-ridden GDDS standard

g) It takes a special level of corruption projecting blah blah feel good, while Bangladeshis in UK and USA (much more developed countries than BD can ever hope to be in a million years) do absolutely atrociously as a group (be it income, poverty, health, welfare reliance and women's labour participation etc.)

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But with all that said, you can take even a few small steps by first getting to SDDS standard and accepting the ESCAP assessment....and you can do both pretty easily in just a few months time to illustrate you are not so corrupt.

But you have to actually DO it....rather than kicking the can ...but you prefer to kick the can and live in denial.

It is why you have that shielding of a certain "3 million" number as well. Actual quest of truth and not having corruption is a pipe dream as long as that infests your national psyche at the root.

@madokafc @Gibbs @Desert Fox @Khan_21 @django @Major Sam @Psychic

@DANCING GIRL , its that BD = perfection, everyone else is terrible complex YET AGAIN

@Aung Zaya

 

[Nike]

I've been to govt. offices in Jakarta where bribe amounts are printed and posted on the wall. And this is a country whose GDP is higher than Bangladesh.

@Bilal9 can you give me exact proof, where and when, photograph is sufficient. You are foreigner you just can give us the proof, if not you are doing fitna here

@anas_nurhafidz @pr1v4t33r @Indos @sukarno @Logam42 @MarveL

 

[Nilgiri]

For those that are complaining about CPI reliability given "local perception variance":

https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017#resources

Corruption Perceptions Index 2017: Technical Methodology Note

1. Selection of data sources The CPI draws upon 13 data sources which capture the assessment of experts and business executives on a number of corrupt behaviours in the public sector, including:
 Bribery
 Diversion of public funds
 Use of public office for private gain
 Nepotism in the civil service
 State capture

Some of the sources also look at the mechanisms available to prevent corruption in a country, such as:
 The government’s ability to enforce integrity mechanisms
 The effective prosecution of corrupt officials
 Red tape and excessive bureaucratic burden
 The existence of adequate laws on financial disclosure, conflict of interest prevention and access to information
 Legal protection for whistleblowers, journalists and investigators

Each of the data sources used to calculate the CPI is evaluated against the following criteria:

A) Methodological reliability and institutional reputation: For a source to be included in the CPI, it is necessary to ensure the quality and adequacy of its methodological approach. For that reason, each source must originate from a professional institution that clearly documents its data collection methods and measurement approach. Transparency International then evaluates the soundness of the methodology. If, for example, an ‘expert opinion’ is being provided, it is necessary to seek assurance on the qualifications of the expert. In the case of business surveys, Transparency International reviews whether the survey sample is large enough to be representative.

B) Conceptual alignment of the data: As it is a measurement of corruption in the public sector, all data sources used to construct the CPI must be explicitly linked to the levels of corruption in the public sector. The questions can relate to a defined ‘type’ of corruption (for example, petty corruption) or to the effectiveness of corruption prevention mechanisms, which can also be used as a proxy for the perceived level of corruption in a country.

C) Quantitative granularity: The scales used by the data sources must allow for sufficient differentiation in the data (that is, at least a four-point scale) on the perceived levels of corruption across countries so that it can be rescaled to the CPI’s 0-100 scale.

D) Cross country comparability: As the CPI ranks countries against each other, the source data must also be legitimately comparable between countries and not be country specific. Moreover, the source must measure the same concept across countries and with the same scale. While there is currently no criteria regarding the minimum coverage a source must have to be part of the CPI, the data source with the lowest coverage provides scores for a total of 16 countries.

E) Multi year data availability: Since the CPI is meant to measure corruption across countries and time, sources that capture corruption perceptions for a single point in time, but that are not designed to be repeated over time, are excluded. In order to carry out this quality assurance process, Transparency International reaches out to each one of the institutions providing data in order to verify the methodology used to generate their scores. Since some of the sources are not publicly available, Transparency International also requests permission to publish the rescaled scores from each source alongside the composite CPI score. Transparency International is, however, not permitted to share the original scores given by private sources with the general public.

(more can be found in the document)

@bluesky @Tanveer666

Literally, it has much much higher standards than the bulk of the feel good (chetona stronk) trash being spewed all around this subforum.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

@waz @WebMaster

Can we expect action against continuous off topic flame baiting posters and peoples who encourage them by liking their posts?

Some people are born shameless...

 

[Nilgiri]

Do you mean to say whatever may be the index says, corruption is not that prevalent in BD? People are complaining of nothing without a substance.

Please read post 70. Topcat feelz are easily debunked.

 

[asgur]

a) It takes a special level of corruption to claim TFR of 2.1, but have teenage pregnancy and child marriage levels much HIGHER than Afghanistan.

Pakistan's figures: Child marriage is 13.1% and teen pregnancy birth rate is 38.3.

SL figures: Child marriage is 6% and teen pregnancy birth rate is 14.2.

Myanmar figures: 12.6% and 16.2

Afghanistan child marriage = 19.7%, Teen pregnancy birth rate = 71.2

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tota...n-in-bangladesh-in-2011.561639/#post-10537580

b) It takes a special level of corruption to claim life expectancy of 70+ while sending a million medical refugees to India, SELLING LAND often just to afford it:

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ess-bangladeshis-stranded-in-kolkata-4370748/

Take Mustafijure Rahman, for instance. A Bangladeshi citizen, he came to Kolkata with high-value denominations. On Wednesday the brother-sister duo queued for four hours before leaving with some money. They’ll need to go back again on Saturday when some tests are scheduled. “We come to India for treatment because we know that here the quality of medication and treatmentis far superior to Dhaka. It’s more expensive, but it’s a matter of life and death. We sold land to come here, and now that money has been rendered useless,” he said.

c) It takes a special level of corruption to send boat loads of illegal immigrants (while claiming everything rosy at home) so much so that they are the largest source in Europe now:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ing-dhaka-dubai-turkey-detained-a7713911.html

d) It takes a special level of corruption to shrink your sample sizes to get more propaganda feelz for sheeple:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/repo...ality-credibility.525379/page-2#post-10481823

e) It takes a special level of corruption by incessantly attempting to compare to a country your own members admit sending illegals to:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/risi...ance-continues-in-april.556964/#post-10466962

Two of her sons work in Chennai/Bangalore at some garmwnt industry. A life story among many others, who remitt their hard-earned Dollar to our state coffer.

f) It takes a special level of corruption to have have a capital city ranked alongside complete warzones in liveability....esp while claiming this and that rosy economic growth and income projections on a lousy inflation-ridden GDDS standard

g) It takes a special level of corruption projecting blah blah feel good, while Bangladeshis in UK and USA (much more developed countries than BD can ever hope to be in a million years) do absolutely atrociously as a group (be it income, poverty, health, welfare reliance and women's labour participation etc.)

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But with all that said, you can take even a few small steps by first getting to SDDS standard and accepting the ESCAP assessment....and you can do both pretty easily in just a few months time to illustrate you are not so corrupt.

But you have to actually DO it....rather than kicking the can ...but you prefer to kick the can and live in denial.

It is why you have that shielding of a certain "3 million" number as well. Actual quest of truth and not having corruption is a pipe dream as long as that infests your national psyche at the root.

@madokafc @Gibbs @Desert Fox @Khan_21 @django @Major Sam @Psychic

@DANCING GIRL , its that BD = perfection, everyone else is terrible complex YET AGAIN

@Aung Zaya

I am sure everyone already have seen that screenshot. You don't have to past that in every post.
To begin with i don't believe in those numbers.
But yes this is an issue here. We already have higher numbers of female students then male students in some case. And govt. is doing a good job reducing child marriage recently.

 

[Nilgiri]

I am sure everyone already have seen that screenshot. You don't have to past that in every post.

Just like they dont have to drag India, Pakistan or anyone else into these threads in first place for whatever complex.

To begin with i don't believe in those numbers.

Which ones? The TFR or the girl marriage/pregnancy? The former is much more susceptible to manipulation than the latter given births registrar hierarchy in data use/compilation....compared to a derived sample stat.

But yes this is an issue here. We already have higher numbers of female students then male students in some case. And govt. is doing a good job reducing child marriage recently.

Will wait for this to show up in the numbers then.

It is not lowering anywhere near the rate India was experiencing 20+ years ago when it was at the same level:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.ADO.TFRT?locations=BD-IN

 

[Black_cats]

I am sure everyone already have seen that screenshot. You don't have to past that in every post.
To begin with i don't believe in those numbers.
But yes this is an issue here. We already have higher numbers of female students then male students in some case. And govt. is doing a good job reducing child marriage recently.

First of all in India teen marriage rate is not 15% as the chart indicate. Second thing in Bangladesh many family prefer to marry their daughter if the find a suitable groom, for poverty, for securing them from eve teaser. That is the reason why Hasina government reduced minimum age to get married. This is a trend going on for some time and you can not change over night. When you are marrying at teenage years you are getting pregnant as we well. But if you look at India where minimum marriage age is 18 so officially less marriage is recorded, second how many young girls are molested, getting raped or becoming pregnant there are no record of it as in most cases family conceal these incidents and do abortions. Already there are report that there is a sharp increase of abortion among teens in India. So took that image as a grain of salt that the troll spamming everywhere and trying to correlate that with fertility rate of 2.1. He is a douchebag.