Charlie Hebdo’s new edition to have Muhammad cartoons

[JonAsad]

It shouldnt happen....If we truly follow Prophet we will have patience

They can draw all they want will they manage to draw the prophet? Nope coz we and them dont know how he looks any shit they draw is a projection of their decayed mind!

How can one ignore such blasphemous actions. As a muslim you just cant. My freedom of speech wish them more of such violent incidents.

 

[ares]

Because I am not attacking a jew religious figure. Simple. Draw a muslim extremist and I have no issues with that. Go make fun of Mullah Omar or that Baghdadi jerk.

Then you do not understand what satire is.
It is not about demonizing a person..it is a humorous way criticizing some one/something.

You dont have a problem with Mullah Omar or Jews being satirized because you are not a follower, but what about their followers, I guess they would take an extreme offense toMullah Omar being satirized..and they are more than capable of terrorism.

So where to draw the line, where to curtail the freedom of expression? It is fine to "hurt feelings" of a few people but not 1.7 billion? Why?

 

[Dubious]

How can one ignore such blasphemous actions. As a muslim you just cant. My freedom of speech wish them more of such violent incidents.

How? Coz fighting with shit will only get me dirty...Plus if they drew some creature how sure are you prophet looked like that and he didnt end up drawing 1 of them lazy sheikhs?

Then you do not understand what satire is.
It is not about demonizing a person..it is a humorous way criticizing some one/something.

You dont have a problem with Mullah Omar or Jews being satirized because you are not a follower, but what about their followers, I guess they would take an extreme offense toMullah Omar being satirized..and they are more than capable of terrorism.

So where to draw the line, where to curtail the freedom of expression? It is fine to "hurt feelings" of a few people but not 1.7 billion? Why?

Is it because of the number

So freedom of speech ISNT fighting Mullah Omar (extremist) just those who dont follow him?
And here we were being told it would be wrong to put the pen down and not continue offending 1.5 Billion but god forbid if some thousand were offended by Omar's satire?

Exactly. Today we would ignore these cartoons Tomorrow there would be complete movies and even TV shows targeting and mocking our Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Some people in the west need to control their bigotry for a billion plus humans of this world. We won't change our position on Prophet Mohammad(PBUH). It is simply not possible for us.

Let them show...1 thing I have noticed is the more they subjugate us to BS of the extreme level the more people are like WHAT REALLY IS ISLAM!

How many converted to Islam after Danish attempt?

 

[Areesh]

Then you do not understand what satire is.
It is not about demonizing a person..it is a humorous way criticizing some one/something.

You dont have a problem with Mullah Omar or Jews being satirized because you are not a follower, but what about their followers, I guess they would take an extreme offense toMullah Omar being satirized..and they are more than capable of terrorism.

So where to draw the line, where to curtail the freedom of expression? It is fine to "hurt feelings" of a few people but not 1.7 billion? Why?

Chances of someone killing for Mullah Omar in Paris is far less than someone killing for Prophet Mohammad(PBUH). In fact only a hardcore terrorist would kill for Mullah Omar in Paris. That doesn't similarly apply to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) where even a normal muslim might go towards violence for those bigoted cartoons.

So where to draw the line, where to curtail the freedom of expression?

Where it doesn't target a particular religion as a whole. When you target Prophet Mohammad(SAW) then you target whole of muslims instead of one particular sect or group.

It is fine to "hurt feelings" of a few people but not 1.7 billion? Why?

Obviously. Is it really that hard to understand that you are asking such stupid questions here? Indian IQ can't even understand such a simple logic?

 

[Rasengan]

but freedom of expression, no matter offensive is to be protected.

Freedom of expression has its limitation even in the western world, however its application is selective in nature. For example in the UK an individual cannot exercise his right in speaking vulgarly to a Police officer, because he would be arrested on the spot. Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights itself recognizes the need for some limitation on free speech. This is applied due to national security, the protection of health or morals and the protection of people's rights and reputation. A person can be sued in court for defamation because there character was assassinated, clearly this shows that speech is limited in the western world. In Austria, if someone denies the holocaust then he would be sent to prison. Children who go to school can be expelled, on the basis of using vulgar language against a teacher or on fellow students, however does that not stop freedom of expression. The western world has a selective syndrome of choosing what exactly is freedom of expression.

 

[Areesh]

Let them show...1 thing I have noticed is the more they subjugate us to BS of the extreme level the more people are like WHAT REALLY IS ISLAM!

How many converted to Islam after Danish attempt?

Still I would hold the right to protest and raise voice against this bigotry and hate speech. Nobody should expect me to remain silent on this BS. We won't.

 

[JonAsad]

How? Coz fighting with shit will only get me dirty...Plus if they drew some creature how sure are you prophet looked like that and he didnt end up drawing 1 of them lazy sheikhs?

Of course such restraint is expected from us Muslims. We are the flag bearers of tolerent people. This freedom of expression is becoming a provocation and when they provoke they better not cry when they face a reaction. The bad thing for them about this game is they now know pretty well what sort of reactions they gona get and i wish them exactly that.

 

[mahesh.]

Charlie hebdo will make an extremist out of many ordinary muslims. Thats counter productive.

A cartoon can make a Muslim an extermist?? LOl Muslims are weak.

 

[ares]

until and unless the drawing on the left is that of some prophet of JUDAISM that we dont know.......Which cant be true coz ALL Jewish prophets (except the female prophetess) are ours too...and we would never do any such thing!

It is drawing of generic demonizing of the common jewish people.

The pic is explains the irony of Muslims demonizing common jews in every day life, but getting extremely offended , when a simple portrait of Muhammad is drawn.

So freedom of speech ISNT fighting Mullah Omar (extremist) just those who dont follow him?
And here we were being told it would be wrong to put the pen down and not continue offending 1.5 Billion but god forbid if some thousand were offended by Omar's satire?

No my question was,

Is it okay to offend a few people but not many, just because they are many?

I am sure Mullah Omar's( or for that matter any influential figure) followers...as avid believers in him as you are in your prophet.

So where to curtail the freedom of speech, is it just a number game?

 

[Winchester]

Apparently this wasn't the first time people reacted after being offended

Here is the former leader of the free world
Did the president propose to take out Al Jazeera?

"The memorandum is actually a five-page transcript stamped "Top Secret." It describes a meeting at the White House on April 16, 2004, between President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair. At that meeting, which took place while desperately hard fighting was in progress in the Iraqi town of Fallujah, Bush mooted the idea of taking out the headquarters of Al Jazeera in Doha, Qatar. The network's correspondents inside the city had been transmitting lurid footage of extreme violence"

and

US Bombs Al-Jazeera Baghdad Office - Kills Cameraman

 

[mahesh.]

Chances of someone killing for Mullah Omar in Paris is far less than someone killing for Prophet Mohammad(PBUH). In fact only a hardcore terrorist would kill for Mullah Omar in Paris. That doesn't similarly apply to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) where even a normal muslim might go towards violence for those bigoted cartoons.



Where it doesn't target a particular religion as a whole. When you target Prophet Mohammad(SAW) then you target whole of muslims instead of one particular sect or group.



Obviously. Is it really that hard to understand that you are asking such stupid questions here? Indian IQ can't even understand such a simple logic?

Every body in France are free to oppose what CH does in a democratic way.

 

[Dubious]

It is drawing of generic demonizing of the common jewish people.

The pic is explains the irony of Muslims demonizing common jews in every day life, but getting extremely offended , when a simple portrait of Muhammad is drawn.

But you are yet to say Hebdo did wrong but you are quick to defend a random Jewish cartoon?

No my question was,

Is it okay to offend a few people but not many, just because they are many?

I am sure Mullah Omar's( or for that matter any influential figure) followers...as avid believers in him as you are in your prophet.

So where to curtail the freedom of speech, is it just a number game?

It is way ok to exercise you freedom (as every bloody person tries to say) on where they wanted to ...they said that the pen is REFUTING THE EXTREMIST...So why not draw an extremist? Why offend a larger group? THAT is my question...

you are afraid of Mullah Omar and offending him But it is fine to offend 1.5- 1.7 billion and claim you are fighting Mullah Omar but not the 1.5- 1.7 billion?

When you lie you are against extremism and givign them an answer by the pen and then giving 2nd to 3rd thoughts of the consequences about that BUT say screw that lets get a bigger audience and NOT thinking of the consequences of that is strange, dont you think?

 

[Hulk]

Quick question for all those people who critic their decision of publishing the cartoons have not used derogatory language worse than the cartoons about other religions. I have personally seen many people here who do that. My point is that one way of asking the same is being good yourself and then ask others to be good to you. I however find most such people insulting others day in day out and want zero tolerance when it comes to them.

 

[Dubious]

Of course such restraint is expected from us Muslims. We are the flag bearers of tolerent people. This freedom of expression is becoming a provocation and when they provoke they better not cry when they face a reaction. The bad thing for them about this game is they now know pretty well what sort of reactions they gona get and i wish them exactly that.

That is the truth that people do not wish to hear and I think we should let them live in their denial! You can only educate one who is willing!

All we can do is just condemn it coz we dont believe in violence and let them invite and fight whoever as long as they dont drag us in! Remember Its their choice! Lets just accept it!

 

[livingdead]

Freedom of expression has its limitation even in the western world, however its application is selective in nature. For example in the UK an individual cannot exercise his right in speaking vulgarly to a Police officer, because he would be arrested on the spot. Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights itself recognizes the need for some limitation on free speech. This is applied due to national security, the protection of health or morals and the protection of people's rights and reputation. A person can be sued in court for defamation because there character was assassinated, clearly this shows that speech is limited in the western world. In Austria, if someone denies the holocaust then he would be sent to prison. Children who go to school can be expelled, on the basis of using vulgar language against a teacher or on fellow students, however does that not stop freedom of expression. The western world has a selective syndrome of choosing what exactly is freedom of expression.

the selective criteria is consistent.. it is not different for different people.. for example if you draw vulgar picture of jesus you will unlike to be prosecuted.. however writing defamatory thing about a rich muslim business man can land you in jail if you are not careful.
You might find it illogical(I find it perfectly logical), but you cant say its targetting specific community.
I dont like the holocust denial law though, it shows extreme guilt than anything.