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[The Accountant]

As i said, you are comparing apples and oranges. I sound like a broken record. I explained the Sunnah method of establishing Ramzan, which you conveniently disregarded.

You are abolishing the Sunnah of moon sighting in favour of lunar calculations. Seems like stopping to me.

Witness testimony is established and verified through proper methods. Otherwise every year there are scores of people purporting to be witnesses of the moon. I agree with your statement on not agreeing to someone saying they sighted the moon when it is scientifically impossible. Using the science as an aid is perfectly permissible.

Allah has given us a brain, not for refining our religion but to follow the religion through thick and thin.To use that brain to accommodate Sunnah in these modern times. Comparing following and refusal to leave Sunnah to being brain dead, is what is actually brain dead. I am a blind follower of Allah and His Prophet (PBUH) alone. I don’t follow any Mullah. I read the Hadeeth and came to my conclusions.

No brother i am not amending ... the sinnah as to have eid on appearance of moon ... moon sighting is sunnah as at that time prediction of moon sighting was not possible but now it is so why not to use it ?

I am asking one simple question that if scientifically you know the witness is saying wrong then still will you accept ? For example in a rape case sunnah was to accept the testimony but now DNA gives more accurate proof so if someone is testifying as pr rules of Quran but DNA is provding evidence against the testimony then what will be your conclusion ? Will you say no i will not accept DNA as Quran says 4 witness are required ...

We have to understand the objective of sunnah and have to get out of this old mindset ...

Stupid people like you opposed loud speakers opposed any technological advancement and are the core reasons we r left behind ...

 

[313ghazi]

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[criticalerror]

How do you sight the moon with cloud cover/bad weather etc? Complications already added to your solution and way to much room for human error.

The scientific solution is the best and most credible one.

You don’t. You wait for testimony or complete 30 days. The scientific solution is not in question. It is the canon/basis for deciding that is being discussed here.

 

[criticalerror]

No brother i am not amending ... the sinnah as to have eid on appearance of moon ... moon sighting is sunnah as at that time prediction of moon sighting was not possible but now it is so why not to use it ?

I am asking one simple question that if scientifically you know the witness is saying wrong then still will you accept ? For example in a rape case sunnah was to accept the testimony but now DNA gives more accurate proof so if someone is testifying as pr rules of Quran but DNA is provding evidence against the testimony then what will be your conclusion ? Will you say no i will not accept DNA as Quran says 4 witness are required ...

We have to understand the objective of sunnah and have to get out of this old mindset ...

Stupid people like you opposed loud speakers opposed any technological advancement and are the core reasons we r left behind ...

As I already posted, what is being proposed is to just rely on lunar calculations alone. That is replacing Sunnah of sighting the moon. Lunar calculations were present before Islam , again as i have already posted.

When a witness is lying , there are many ways to prove him wrong including science. That is why testimony rejection is a thing. This is one of the sticking points of Popalzai. He says testimony from KP is ignored. Also for every debate there is a context. DNA evidence has been deemed permissible by many a scholar and there is already enough material on it . So let’s no detract here. DNA evidence is used in Jurisprudence, moon sighting is used for establishing an obligation of religion. So your example is irrelevant to this discussion.

We have to also understand that associating simple Sunnah with backward mentality is wrong. Sunnah is valid till the Hour is established.

Stupid people like you need to resort to insults when they run out of arguments. That is the definition of stupidity. Your cheap shots are ignored.

 

[The Accountant]

As I already posted, what is being proposed is to just rely on lunar calculations alone. That is replacing Sunnah of sighting the moon. Lunar calculations were present before Islam , again as i have already posted.

When a witness is lying , there are many ways to prove him wrong including science. That is why testimony rejection is a thing. This is one of the sticking points of Popalzai. He says testimony from KP is ignored. Also for every debate there is a context. DNA evidence has been deemed permissible by many a scholar and there is already enough material on it . So let’s no detract here. DNA evidence is used in Jurisprudence, moon sighting is used for establishing an obligation of religion. So your example is irrelevant to this discussion.

We have to also understand that associating simple Sunnah with backward mentality is wrong. Sunnah is valid till the Hour is established.

Stupid people like you need to resort to insults when they run out of arguments. That is the definition of stupidity. Your cheap shots are ignored.

Popalzai statement is just to keep his shop running .... scientifically moon should appear first on gawadar or pasni as it is more west and south than KPK ... how can KPK see before Pasni and Gawadar ?

The issue is with witness authenticity ... the witness present are not authentic and are from far fledge unonown backgrounds ... common have some senses if physically moon is not visible as per calculations then how can be testimony be authentic ?

Your argument is stupid as you are just claiming that testimony should be accepted no matter that all the facts indicates that testimony is fabricated ...

 

[criticalerror]

Eid Mubarak to everyone. I hope we can work out through our differences to be a united , faithful and disciplined nation.

 

[criticalerror]

Popalzai statement is just to keep his shop running .... scientifically moon should appear first on gawadar or pasni as it is more west and south than KPK ... how can KPK see before Pasni and Gawadar ?

The issue is with witness authenticity ... the witness present are not authentic and are from far fledge unonown backgrounds ... common have some senses if physically moon is not visible as per calculations then how can be testimony be authentic ?

Your argument is stupid as you are just claiming that testimony should be accepted no matter that all the facts indicates that testimony is fabricated ...

So you agree the controversy is only political/ shop embellishment?

These far flung people visit zonal ruet hilal committees so their testimony is verified in the localities they are situated in.

I never said testimony should be accepted at face value and must be accepted. That is a figment of your imagination. I already defined stupidity for you.

 

[Cuirassier]

Shame on Popalzai. Ruins everything each year. If the Moon isn't sighted in Western Balochistan, then how the duck does this Genghis Khan lookalike see it before the whole country each year. State's writ is f**king joke.

 

[The Accountant]

So you agree the controversy is only political/ shop embellishment?

These far flung people visit zonal ruet hilal committees so their testimony is verified in the localities they are situated in.

I never said testimony should be accepted at face value and must be accepted. That is a figment of your imagination. I already defined stupidity for you.

Than what r u arguing about ? Popalzai says that testimony should be accepted at face value

 

[criticalerror]

Shame on Popalzai. Ruins everything each year. If the Moon isn't sighted in Western Balochistan, then how the duck does this Genghis Khan lookalike see it before the whole country each year. State's writ is f**king joke.

Agreed. The state has been powerless for 70 odd years. Only Musharraf solved this issue by arresting him a day before eid. Eid was celebrated throughout Pakistan on the same day that year.

 

[criticalerror]

Than what r u arguing about ? Popalzai says that testimony should be accepted at face value

I am arguing about science being used as primary source replacing moon sighting. Your comprehension skills are appalling for someone projecting himself as a proponent of science.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@criticalerror

Physical sighting of the moon is not a religious obligation, observing fasts during Ramazan is
Please stop spreading misinformation

 

[BRAVO_]

in this all mess of moon sighting we totally forget the true spirit of Ramadan, It is a month of introspection, a month of mercy, patience and self-discipline. This is when one’s actions should intensify with generosity towards others, especially the less fortunate. And it is especially a time to refrain from any act of unkindness, dishonesty or ill will.

but ... unfortunately as usual country is divided in bashing each other to prove their side right at the issue of Moon sighting, for the sake of unity of the country it should be standardized through one system in entire country as it happened in gulf, no one is worried about moon in gulf they concentrate on just their prayers and nationally all of them are united following the true spirit of Ramadan,

i strongly condemned the stupid decision of PTI for announcing Eid in KPK moreover their stupid minister is now convincing people to perform one extra fasting after Eid ... what a mess really ..

 

[criticalerror]

@criticalerror

Physical sighting of the moon is not a religious obligation, observing fasts during Ramazan is
Please stop spreading misinformation

I said his example is of apples and oranges since one has to do with Jurisprudence and the other with a religious obligation (Ramzan Fasting). Don’t know what you are on about.

 

[The Accountant]

I am arguing about science being used as primary source replacing moon sighting. Your comprehension skills are appalling for someone projecting himself as a proponent of science.

KSA model is best on this ... they use science and calendar for estimation but announce it based on physical sighting as per tradition ...