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People actually gamble on moonsightings in Pakistan so if you create a website or app that tells you everything in advance the whole gambling business stops. So IMO we should let muslims fight over this matter every year. It keeps them busy and away from more important matters.
 
People actually gamble on moonsightings in Pakistan so if you create a website or app that tells you everything in advance the whole gambling business stops. So IMO we should let muslims fight over this matter every year. It keeps them busy and away from more important matters.

Moon sighting is not an issue in any country but Pakistan. Speaks volumes about what the issue actually is.
 
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1 Earth
1 Moon
1 Path

It is pretty clear, if the Moon is seen by portion of earth , it is the same moon. Thus Eid is mandatory on all planet


Looking at the image above it is clear , Same moon will be visible to people in north part of earth , equator based countries even Southern countries

Moon: Completes it's cycle , and appears accurately when Day 1 Moon is visible in one part of planet the same Day 1 Moon is visible across the globe
 
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No it wasn’t relevant. Read again what i said. One is related to Jurisprudence the other to establish a religious obligation. Hadd is a matter of justice/Jurisprudence and in a different class to Fasting.On the contrary, it is you who’s doing the “Main mansa taan” buffoonery.

Duh!!

You claimed that as the sighting of moon is meant to establish a religious obligation (i.e determining Ramazan/fasting days), Sunnah has to be followed (i.e physical sighting of the moon is necessary)

You were asked that whether or not DNA test was acceptable as an evidence in rape cases to establish another religious obligation (Yes, punishment of a Hadd crime is a religious obligation) or, according to you, only Sunnah (i.e 4 witnesses) has to be followed in that case too.

Only someone who has an IQ equivalent to that of an an apple would claim that it is 'comparing apples to oranges'...




The burden of proving me wrong is on you since i already provided fatwas to this effect. Try even harder.

No, you did not provide any Fatwa stating that the scholars hold unanimous opinion regarding the sighting of the moon. (You realize how stupid it is to even claim such a thing?)... Try even harder.. Balkay rehnay dain, ap k bas ki baat hi nahi hai



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You deny Hadeeth (atleast the Sahih ones i quoted). There is no debate to be had after that.

And now you are lying through your teeth ....
Show me where did I deny the Sahih Hadith you quoted.
 
KSA model is best on this ... they use science and calendar for estimation but announce it based on physical sighting as per tradition ...
People are saying that they always follow Umm al-Qura calendar date to plans things in advance and no real physical sighting because dates of EID/Ramdhan always match to dates of Calendar ..People was talking about EID in KSA on Tuesday even week before EID and they were saying that no chance for moon to be visible on Monday in middle east
 
Duh!!

You claimed that as the sighting of moon is meant to establish a religious obligation (i.e determining Ramazan/fasting days), Sunnah has to be followed (i.e physical sighting of the moon is necessary)

You were asked that whether or not DNA test was acceptable as an evidence in rape cases to establish another religious obligation (Yes, punishment of a Hadd crime is a religious obligation) or, according to you, only Sunnah (i.e 4 witnesses) has to be followed in that case too.

Only someone who has an IQ equivalent to that of an an apple would claim that it is 'comparing apples to oranges'...

Well if you think Ramzan fasting and Hadd punishments are in the same category of religious obligation than i am amzaed at your utter lack of knowledge. I already categorised both obligations for you. Jurisprudence and Religious duty of faith(Farz) are two different categories. Also note DNA is not the sole means for establishing Hadd. DNA evidence is as permissible as lunar calculations are. Please read our Hudood ordinance for more enlightenment on the subject. Since you love to introduce unrelated tangents to discuss every time you run out of arguments.

From a Dawn Article

The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) on Monday formally relegated the DNA test to supporting evidence in rape cases, belying reports last week suggesting that the council might accord the scientifically proven test prime importance in investigations against rape suspects.

Speaking at a press conference here on Monday, CII Chairman Maulana Mohammad Khan Sherani said that “the DNA test is not acceptable as primary evidence in rape cases, but it could be considered as supporting evidence”.


Our CII is made up of all schools of thought. This is an entirely different debate , one you can have by making another thread.

No, you did not provide any Fatwa stating that the scholars hold unanimous opinion regarding the sighting of the moon. (You realize how stupid it is to even claim such a thing?)... Try even harder.. Balkay rehnay dain, ap k bas ki baat hi nahi hai

Your idiotic arguments are the life of this thread. I provided multiple fatwas which you didnt even read and replied. All schools of thought enjoin moon sighting. Hanbali method says it’s mustahab to avoid moon fighting. Shafi method has no clear view on this. The rest schools of thought have fatwas , some of which i spoon fed you. But like the infant you are , you even threw out the spoon i fed you. Jahilon ko smjhana waqi meray bass ki baat nahein. But i will spoon feed you some more

School of Imaam Abu Hanifa says: 'It can not be depended upon , someone who works with calculations and fixed timing in asserting the month for because he is disagreeing with the way of the Prophet ﷺ' (Al-Fiqh-u-lislaamy-wa'delatah By Dr. Whbah Az-Zuhayli vol 2, p.599)

Imaam Maalik says: The view of the crescent can not be asserted by the saying of someone who calculates the flow of the moon and its orbit neither for himself nor for someone else because Allaah, the Legislator, made fasting and ending the fasting rely of the viewing of the crescent not on its existence; this is even if the person who did the calculations is right. So the work with the astronomical observatories even if they were right is not allowed. (Al-Fiqh-u-lislaamy-wa'delatah By Dr. Whbah Az-Zuhayli vol 2, p. 600)

Imaam Ibn Hanbal says: "We should not fast according to the stars and calculations even if they were right, for many times for they do not rely on legitimate basis. (Al-Fiqh-u-lislaamy-wa'delatah By Dr. Whbah Az-Zuhayli vol 2, p.602)

And now you are lying through your teeth ....
Show me where did I deny the Sahih Hadith you quoted.

Let me dig it out for you to your further embarrassment.
When confronted with proof from Hadeeth , this is what you had to say



The Holy Qur'an is the primary text.
All other sources are open to debate.
Establishing prohibition from that Hadith is an inference/deduction and therefore the view of Ulema and not the words of Allah almighty or the Holy Prophet (PBUH)

This is your response , when i quoted the simple Hadeeth which said “Do not Fast until.. “. This was your final argument on the subject . Sounds like rejection of Hadeeth to me.
 
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Well if you think Ramzan fasting and Hadd punishments are in the same category of religious obligation than i am amzaed at your utter lack of knowledge. I already categorised both obligations for you. Jurisprudence and Religious duty of faith(Farz) are two different categories. Also note DNA is not the sole means for establishing Hadd. DNA evidence is as permissible as lunar calculations are. Please read our Hudood ordinance for more enlightenment on the subject. Since you love to introduce unrelated tangents to discuss every time you run out of arguments.

From a Dawn Article

The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) on Monday formally relegated the DNA test to supporting evidence in rape cases, belying reports last week suggesting that the council might accord the scientifically proven test prime importance in investigations against rape suspects.

Speaking at a press conference here on Monday, CII Chairman Maulana Mohammad Khan Sherani said that “the DNA test is not acceptable as primary evidence in rape cases, but it could be considered as supporting evidence”.


Our CII is made up of all schools of thought. This is an entirely different debate , one you can have by making another thread.

^^ And this proves that you have an IQ lower than a salamander... But why am I not surprised?

And it's really funny how after claiming that this was 'apples and oranges' you yourself are trying to compare the two :lol:


Your idiotic arguments are the life of this thread. I provided multiple fatwas which you didnt even read and replied. All schools of thought enjoin moon sighting. Hanbali method says it’s mustahab to avoid moon fighting. Shafi method has no clear view on this. The rest schools of thought have fatwas , some of which i spoon fed you. But like the infant you are , you even threw out the spoon i fed you. Jahilon ko smjhana waqi meray bass ki baat nahein. But i will spoon feed you some more

School of Imaam Abu Hanifa says: 'It can not be depended upon , someone who works with calculations and fixed timing in asserting the month for because he is disagreeing with the way of the Prophet ﷺ' (Al-Fiqh-u-lislaamy-wa'delatah By Dr. Whbah Az-Zuhayli vol 2, p.599)

Imaam Maalik says: The view of the crescent can not be asserted by the saying of someone who calculates the flow of the moon and its orbit neither for himself nor for someone else because Allaah, the Legislator, made fasting and ending the fasting rely of the viewing of the crescent not on its existence; this is even if the person who did the calculations is right. So the work with the astronomical observatories even if they were right is not allowed. (Al-Fiqh-u-lislaamy-wa'delatah By Dr. Whbah Az-Zuhayli vol 2, p. 600)

Imaam Ibn Hanbal says: "We should not fast according to the stars and calculations even if they were right, for many times for they do not rely on legitimate basis. (Al-Fiqh-u-lislaamy-wa'delatah By Dr. Whbah Az-Zuhayli vol 2, p.602)

A little bit of advice for you. Before replying here Google what the word unanimous means if you don't want to end up looking like an even bigger idiot than you really are. Hint: It's not the same as 'majority' view (and that's exactly what I had said here)


Let me dig it out for you to your further embarrassment.
When confronted with proof from Hadeeth , this is what you had to say

Sounds like rejection of Hadeeth to me.

I expected no better from a Blind Mullah follower like yourself. You are a liar and a hypocrite


I only rejected the way you interpreted this Hadith, not the Hadith itself. We discussed this Hadith in these posts:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-10#post-11501544
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-10#post-11501652
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-10#post-11501900
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-12#post-11502224
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-13#post-11503439
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-13#post-11503568
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-14#post-11503797
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-14#post-11503830
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-14#post-11503900
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-14#post-11504001
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-15#post-11505632
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fawa...sighting-website.620546/page-15#post-11505733

Now Show me where did I 'deny' the Sahih Hadith you quoted
or else, stop lying through your teeth.
 
With too many Parhay Likhay Jaahil among us who refuse to use their intellect/reason and choose to blindly follow the illiterate Mullahs instead, it would take another few years (or perhaps decades) before this stupid controversy is finally put to rest.
 
Chand dekhney kaa masla arises only when religion does not remain confined to the personal domain and the mullahs want to take control of people's lives by imposing their views on everyone.

Why don't you become the Mullah to provide moon sighting? Just give fatwa from Trumpland.
 
With too many Parhay Likhay Jaahil among us who refuse to use their intellect/reason and choose to blindly follow the illiterate Mullahs instead, it would take another few years (or perhaps decades) before this stupid controversy is finally put to rest.

This controversy will never die in Pakistan.
 
^^ And this proves that you have an IQ lower than a salamander... But why am I not surprised?

And it's really funny how after claiming that this was 'apples and oranges' you yourself are trying to compare the two :lol:

Insults. Great. That means you have nothing left to add. But , then again, you never did.

A little bit of advice for you. Before replying here Google what the word unanimous means if you don't want to end up looking like an even bigger idiot than you really are. Hint: It's not the same as 'majority' view (and that's exactly what I had said here)

Refer to my posts where i said majority sects are of the view? Oh yeah I forgot. You are autistic. Cant spend a second without repeating the same drivel answered about a 100 times. Don’t start frothing at the mouth yet though.

I already stated the position of all sects with excerpts. The schools of thought apart from Shafi are unanimous. Now you can either provide proof and/or rebuttal thereof. Or you could go crying to your mommy. I am guessing it’s the second.


I already did show you. That was your final argument. You very clearly said “It is NOT A PRIMARY ISLAMIC TEXT, AND NOT THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET (PBUH) . “ That is the rejection. I don’t need to quote your entire spiel to you every time.

A hypocrite would be someone saying one thing and then saying the opposite the next time. Which is quite clearly what you have been doing.

You might enjoy chasing your tail and running around in circles. But i neither have one nor do i enjoy running in circles.
 
This controversy will never die in Pakistan.

I believe that using scientific methods to determine lunar months will become mainstream and state-sanctioned in future Pakistan. Of course Mullahs will keep opposing it, as we have many who still oppose democracy as the system of governance. (or even the use of loudspeakers in some cases).

I already did show you. That was your final argument. You very clearly said “It is NOT A PRIMARY ISLAMIC TEXT, AND NOT THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET (PBUH) . “ That is the rejection. I don’t need to quote your entire spiel to you every time.

A hypocrite would be someone saying one thing and then saying the opposite the next time. Which is quite clearly what you have been doing.

You might enjoy chasing your tail and running around in circles. But i neither have one nor do i enjoy running in circles.

That never was my 'argument'. Have posted links in the previous post for everyone to see.
Now STOP LYING..... Or am I asking too much from a Blind Mullah Follower?

Insults. Great. That means you have nothing left to add. But , then again, you never did.

That's rich coming from a hypocrite who said this in his/her previous post:

i spoon fed you. But like the infant you are , you even threw out the spoon i fed you. Jahilon ko smjhana waqi meray bass ki baat nahein.
 

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