Chabahar vs Gwadar

[anonymus]

Dear stupid,
You forgot to take time into account in your marvelous copy paste analysis.
..thanks for telling us that Pakistani and Chinese planners were clueless while planning this corridor.

You can always bank upon a Pakistani to make stupid assertion without doing even a basic google search.

Let's calculate time. In order to give you a leeway, I am expecting that a Truck would not stop anywhere (No rest for drivers, no checkpoints, no fuel or repair break) and assume that a Truck runs 24 Hours at 30Kmph, and I am neglecting time it would be needed to transfer goods in Gwadar.

Time required for Travel = 262 Hours = 11 Days.

Time required for transport of a container from Dubai to Karachi = 5 days

BusinessDubai.com - Bizneeds

Total time required for overland transport when your drivers and port handlers are superman = 16 days.

Time required to transport a container from Dubai to Shanghai via sea = 15 Days.

Calculating Container Shipping Time - Design, China Manufacture, Promotional Products.


This was an outlier calculation.

Let's be realistic.

Assume that a driver drives for 12 hour per day, it would take and on average take a day extra to go through customs and refuelling stop.

It would take him 91.57 hours to reach Kashghar, which would be equal to 7.7 days or 8.7 days taking pit stops into account.

Let's assume that it takes only a day to transfer cargo from a Pakistani to a Chinese truck. The time spent before that Truck moves towards CHina is 9.7 Hours.

That Truck would take 170 Hours to reach SHanghai from Kashghar. ie 14 days of driving and assuming two days for pit stops, 16 days.

Now we assume that Gwadar system is as efficient as that of Karachi, it would take 6 days to clear import formalities.

Import Clearance Procedure -- Mehran Corporation Karachi Pakistan

Thus the total time it would need to transport goods from Dubai to Shanghai via Gwadar would be 37 days compared to 15 days it would take to reach Dubai from Shanghai via Malacca.

Even reaching border of China-Pakistan would take more time (21 days vs 15 days) than transporting a container from Dubai to remotest part of Chinese seaboard.

 

[vinay]

I dont think china will be using CPEC to transport cargo from their east coast to gwadar but this route will be connected to Xinjiang.
Xinjiang is i guess the most backward province of china and this route will be used to develop it

 

[Mr.Nair]

Trading between Iran and India only benefits the two countries involved how on earth it harms Pakistan?
Now lets assume trading with India is supposed as an act war against Pakistan.then why dont you complain against Arabs trading with India.they do it even more.China also do it.

Iran also offers brilliant tries with Pakistan.we offer them with cheap Gas.we have built a pipeline to the border.but what are we recieving in return?flowers?

India is one of the biggest trading partner of UAE

Economy of the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

You can always bank upon a Pakistani to make stupid assertion without doing even a basic google search.

Let's calculate time. In order to give you a leeway, I am expecting that a Truck would not stop anywhere (No rest for drivers, no checkpoints, no fuel or repair break) and assume that a Truck runs 24 Hours at 30Kmph, and I am neglecting time it would be needed to transfer goods in Gwadar.

Time required for Travel = 262 Hours = 11 Days.

Time required for transport of a container from Dubai to Karachi = 5 days

BusinessDubai.com - Bizneeds

Total time required when your drivers and port handlers are superman = 16 days.

Time required to transport a container from Dubai to Shanghai = 15 Days.

Calculating Container Shipping Time - Design, China Manufacture, Promotional Products.


This was an outlier calculation.

Let's be realistic.

Assume that a driver drives for 12 hour per day, it would take and on average take a day extra to go through customs and refuelling stop.

It would take him 91.57 hours to reach Kashghar, which would be equal to 7.7 days or 8.7 days taking pit stops into account.

Let's assume that it takes only a day to transfer cargo from a Pakistani to a Chinese truck. The time spent before that Truck moves towards CHina is 9.7 Hours.

That Truck would take 170 Hours to reach SHanghai from Kashghar. ie 14 days of driving and assuming two days for pit stops, 16 days.

Now we assume that Gwadar system is as efficient as that of Karachi, it would take 6 days to clear import formalities.

Import Clearance Procedure -- Mehran Corporation Karachi Pakistan

Thus the total time it would need to transport goods from Dubai to Shanghai would be 37 days compared to 15 days it would take to reach Dubai from Shanghai.

Even reaching border of China-Pakistan would take more time (21 days vs 15 days) than transporting a container from Dubai to remotest part of Chinese seaboard.

So ur saying that all this talk of this being time efficient is gossip ?
I admit Im not an expert on this but your claim is a very big one.You are claiming that CPEC is time nor cost efficient.
On basis of this claim,you are making an assertion that CPEC will be only a temporary route should situations get tense in the oceans.
It's hard to believe what ur claiming.Ill wait for some Pakistani who has more know how to comment on this.

 

[Serpentine]

Chah bahar is not as much about trade, it is more about encircling Pakistan. I hope Pakistan is aware about the game. Though there is no shortage of optimistic Pakistanis who consider Iran as Pakistan's friend, which in my opinion she is anything but.

Only blame outside forces to cover your problems, surely that will solve your problems. Especially when that comes with stupid conspiracy theories.

Iran is not here to please you on a daily basis.

The fact that many Pakistanis love to ignore: Your Arab brothers which you always seem to look up to, have a much much larger trade with India than Iran. Pakistan's strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia is anything but a 'friendly' gesture towards Iran, adding to ignoring the terrorist problem in Baluchistan which has been threatening Iran for years.

So we will never close our eyes to our economic interests only to please people who look up to Arabs regardless of what they do.

Instead of whining about Chabahar which has absolutely nothing to do with Pakistan, get your stuff together and start developing your country in a proper way, sitting in the dark and hitting the room for being black will not solve the problem.

Gwadar has one purpose, Chabahar has another, they don't interfere with each others' interests, but for people who want to blame outsiders to cover their problems, yes Chabahar might be a problem.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

So ur saying that all this talk of this being time efficient is gossip ?
I admit Im not an expert on this but your claim is a very big one.You are claiming that CPEC is time nor cost efficient.
On basis of this claim,you are making an assertion that CPEC will be only a temporary route should situations get tense in the oceans.
It's hard to believe what ur claiming.Ill wait for some Pakistani who has more know how to comment on this.

.....
Basically ur saying that if the situation in the waters remain good for the next hundred years,China will keep on using that strait of Malacca whatever route for the next hundred years and CPEC will be there useless.
Chinese are bussinessman,why won't they use CPEC ever.
Let me convey this to the government,they should stop this project immediately.The Indian on the internet has spoken.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

You can always bank upon a Pakistani to make stupid assertion without doing even a basic google search.

Let's calculate time. In order to give you a leeway, I am expecting that a Truck would not stop anywhere (No rest for drivers, no checkpoints, no fuel or repair break) and assume that a Truck runs 24 Hours at 30Kmph, and I am neglecting time it would be needed to transfer goods in Gwadar.

Time required for Travel = 262 Hours = 11 Days.

Time required for transport of a container from Dubai to Karachi = 5 days

BusinessDubai.com - Bizneeds

Total time required when your drivers and port handlers are superman = 16 days.

Time required to transport a container from Dubai to Shanghai = 15 Days.

Calculating Container Shipping Time - Design, China Manufacture, Promotional Products.


This was an outlier calculation.

Let's be realistic.

Assume that a driver drives for 12 hour per day, it would take and on average take a day extra to go through customs and refuelling stop.

It would take him 91.57 hours to reach Kashghar, which would be equal to 7.7 days or 8.7 days taking pit stops into account.

Let's assume that it takes only a day to transfer cargo from a Pakistani to a Chinese truck. The time spent before that Truck moves towards CHina is 9.7 Hours.

That Truck would take 170 Hours to reach SHanghai from Kashghar. ie 14 days of driving and assuming two days for pit stops, 16 days.

Now we assume that Gwadar system is as efficient as that of Karachi, it would take 6 days to clear import formalities.

Import Clearance Procedure -- Mehran Corporation Karachi Pakistan

Thus the total time it would need to transport goods from Dubai to Shanghai would be 37 days compared to 15 days it would take to reach Dubai from Shanghai.

Even reaching border of China-Pakistan would take more time (21 days vs 15 days) than transporting a container from Dubai to remotest part of Chinese seaboard.

.....
Basically ur saying that if the situation in the waters remain good for the next hundred years,China will keep on using that strait of Malacca whatever route for the next hundred years and CPEC will be there useless.
Chinese are bussinessman,why won't they use CPEC ever.
Let me convey this to the government,they should stop this project immediately.The Indian on the internet has spoken.

 

[Mr.Nair]

What is the trade volume between Iran and Pakistan in 2015 ?

 

[OneMORETime]

Gwadar port will fail to live up to its full potential.. We have deep assets in the area to sabotage the project if need be..Iran too would gladly lend us helping hand as it benefits them as well.. If Pakistan can't control the violence in Karachi, how can one expect it to provide a sound environment for business in Gwadar which is in Balochistan, a hotbed of insurgency..

Chabahar on the other hand have no such problems .. But all will depend on the outcome of the Iranian nuclear deal..

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Gwadar port will fail to live up to its full potential.. We have deep assets in the area to sabotage the project if need be..Iran too would gladly lend a us helping hand as it benefits them as well.. If Pakistan can't control the violence in Karachi, how can one expect it to provide a sound environment for business in Gwadar which is in Balochistan, a hotbed of insurgency..

Chadar on the other hand have no such problems .. But all will depend on the outcome of the Iranian nuclear deal..

Thanks for letting us know your motives clearly. Anyways why does Moderators/admins here allow such Indians to post here so freely ?

 

[tsinga]

Thus the total time it would need to transport goods from Dubai to Shanghai would be 37 days compared to 15 days it would take to reach Dubai from Shanghai.

Even reaching border of China-Pakistan would take more time (21 days vs 15 days) than transporting a container from Dubai to remotest part of Chinese seaboard.

There is a typo here. Kindly correct it.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

One more thing for the Indians who are posting about the cost and time taken for transportation. China is also constructing Cargo Railway track to connect Gwader with Xinjiang which will expedite the means of transportation significantly.

 

[anonymus]

So ur saying that all this talk of this being time efficient is gossip ?
I admit Im not an expert on this but your claim is a very big one.You are claiming that CPEC is time nor cost efficient.
On basis of this claim,you are making an assertion that CPEC will be only a temporary route should situations get tense in the oceans.
It's hard to believe what ur claiming.Ill wait for some Pakistani who has more know how to comment on this.

Only you Pakistanis, and your moronic journalists are talking about time efficient and cost efficient bull. No expert in this whole world is claiming that it saves time. It doesn't, even in most favorable circumstances, even with superman drivers. Overland route never save money or time vis-a-vis sea routes, except for very short distances.

.....
Basically ur saying that if the situation in the waters remain good for the next hundred years,China will keep on using that strait of Malacca whatever route for the next hundred years and CPEC will be there useless.
Chinese are bussinessman,why won't they use CPEC ever.
Let me convey this to the government,they should stop this project immediately.The Indian on the internet has spoken.

Certainly. Unless Malacca's access is denied to China, your corridor would never make any economic sense ever for bulk of Chinese trade, and would be useless.

You need to an idiot to even think that a land route could beat a sea route in cost or time factor.

One more thing for the Indians who are posting about the cost and time taken for transportation. China is also constructing Cargo Railway track to connect Gwader with Xinjiang which will expedite the means of transportation significantly.

Does not change anything.

My first calculation was for non-stop journey.

Thanks for letting us know your motives clearly. Anyways why does Moderators/admins here allow such Indians to post here so freely ?

Probably because if Indian are banned, this forum will become mutual masturbation forum for Pakistanis.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Does not change anything.

Freight train does change things. It will be more speedy and will transfer goods to eastern side of the China as well.

P.S Getting clearance from Pakistani customs in Gwader won't be any issue. The port is not Karachi but Gwader where we have a pact with Chinese govt for 40 years regarding its management and semi control.

and to add more, once you upload the stuff on a freight train, off you go. There wont be any stopping and probably it will take 2-3 days to reach China(Xinjiang) from Gwader. So naturally Chinese eastern side accessibility will also be much faster than through the strait of Malacca.

 

[salmanACCA]

Gwadar port will fail to live up to its full potential.. We have deep assets in the area to sabotage the project if need be..Iran too would gladly lend us helping hand as it benefits them as well.. If Pakistan can't control the violence in Karachi, how can one expect it to provide a sound environment for business in Gwadar which is in Balochistan, a hotbed of insurgency..

Chabahar on the other hand have no such problems .. But all will depend on the outcome of the Iranian nuclear deal..

you will not be able to trade a single peanut to kabul through chabahar that is our promise and we dont need any countrys help