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[MarkusS]

@MarkusS

Our European establishment and most of there people don't interested in Turkey or Turks, so why should they care if they live or want to live under a dictatorship? If we don't care in Turks, why should we interested in democratic deficid in Turkey?

turkey currently collapses into a black hole. this causes destabilisation in the eastern med with all the nehative consequences.

 

[MarkusS]

When you read news today it looks like the EU ends this Farce now with turkey.

Austria said it will stop the EU membership talks with Turkey and block it. Italy, Spain as well as all eastern european nations agree. Chancellor Kern called the talks "pure fiction". The only countries still supporting turkey regarding this are Germany and Luxemburg.

Next EU meeting is in September. By then they want pull France into the anti Turkey coalition as well. Germany is virtually sidelined here and even there more than 86% of people want to cut ties with Turkey.

Also austrias foreign minister Kurz said that he works to let the refugee deal collapse. While germany wants that turkey busts it themself the majority of european nations want to cancel the deal unilateral.

The moment the EU negotiations bust is the moment turkey loses its candidate status and several billion € payments each year.

The only thing that holds turkey close is Merkel and Erdogan damaged her reputation with his behavior. He constantly tried to belittle her to show his "power". While doing so he crashed her renomee in germany and europe. She appears weak and her people look down on her. Her voting polls are in free fall. She lost 12% in just one week. Because of that hardliners gained power in Berlin.

I think we will see the total break between Europe and Turkey in the next weeks. The Eu will propably cancell all deals and stop any payments and send the money to greece instead.

Looks like they will push the "Idomeni Solution" into action.

 

[Stimpy75]

From which money are you talking about
5 billion in order not to take back the refugees?
Turkey itself paid itself much more to host the refugees!
And turkey itself not becoming a eu member?guess what
Stick your EU where the sun doesn't shine
The EU is a sinking ship
And they would never let Tükiye in not in 1000years
Let's see what will happen now?!
3 million refugees on their way to Europe
Have fun with them
Because we won't take them back

 

[kartal1]

There is evacuated US agent in Hatay some facebook pages reported air helicopter traffic in the Hatay area so thats it. She was seen by soldiers on the border. She said that she is friend and the soldiers taked her. She is arrested for entering turkish territory and military area without permission according to the article.
http://www.sabah.com.tr/gundem/2016/08/07/sinirda-yakalanan-abd-ajani-tutuklandi

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

When you read news today it looks like the EU ends this Farce now with turkey.

Austria said it will stop the EU membership talks with Turkey and block it. Italy, Spain as well as all eastern european nations agree. Chancellor Kern called the talks "pure fiction". The only countries still supporting turkey regarding this are Germany and Luxemburg.

Next EU meeting is in September. By then they want pull France into the anti Turkey coalition as well. Germany is virtually sidelined here and even there more than 86% of people want to cut ties with Turkey.

Also austrias foreign minister Kurz said that he works to let the refugee deal collapse. While germany wants that turkey busts it themself the majority of european nations want to cancel the deal unilateral.

The moment the EU negotiations bust is the moment turkey loses its candidate status and several billion € payments each year.

The only thing that holds turkey close is Merkel and Erdogan damaged her reputation with his behavior. He constantly tried to belittle her to show his "power". While doing so he crashed her renomee in germany and europe. She appears weak and her people look down on her. Her voting polls are in free fall. She lost 12% in just one week. Because of that hardliners gained power in Berlin.

I think we will see the total break between Europe and Turkey in the next weeks. The Eu will propably cancell all deals and stop any payments and send the money to greece instead.

Looks like they will push the "Idomeni Solution" into action.

EU membership no more charming Turkish people as several years ago...Government also said we may go to referandum for EU membership...If referandum will be held for EU membership in Turkey, at least 60% of people vote NO....

West just is bluffing....All they want using Turkey
as a cheap ally like befor....Turkey wont accept these paradigmas any more...So, Eventouth West will be disappointed with Turkey freqeuntly in aheads they never dispense with Turkey...

 

[MarkusS]

EU membership no more charming Turkish people as several years ago...Government also said we may go to referandum for EU membership...If referandum will be held for EU membership in Turkey, at least 60% of people vote NO....

West just is bluffing....All they want using Turkey
as a cheap ally like befor....Turkey wont accept these paradigmas any more...So, Eventouth West will be disappointed with Turkey freqeuntly in aheads they never dispense with Turkey...

You dont understand. As a candidate Turkey gets each year several billion €. This would be cut to zero. Trade, tourism...evrything would be cut down to minimal level.

If we had a referendum here if turkey should be member of EU 90% would vote no. Europe is christian. Turkey oriental. There is simply no place for turkey in EU and its just fair to end this now with a swift cut. Its better for both.

And we are not bluffing. The visa deal is already history.

There is no way that turkey can be an ally with Erdogana s president. You go your way. We go ours.

 

[Oguzhan]

You dont understand. As a candidate Turkey gets each year several billion €. This would be cut to zero. Trade, tourism...evrything would be cut down to minimal level.

If we had a referendum here if turkey should be member of EU 90% would vote no. Europe is christian. Turkey oriental. There is simply no place for turkey in EU and its just fair to end this now with a swift cut. Its better for both.

And we are not bluffing. The visa deal is already history.

There is no way that turkey can be an ally with Erdogana s president. You go your way. We go ours.

Your argument is partly stupid,mostly idiotic
This manner is stupid that Turkey is an oriental country and we have no place in EU
So Romania is gypsy and Bulgaria is burglar
Many european country is multicultural
Roma,Paris,Barcelone-full od pakis,africans and indians and there are also many muslim that currently living in EU

But I also do not think that Turkey will get in EU or should
İf we get in there we can't have any place to breath
Housing and food is cheap in Turkey,if we get in EU they will not
İf we get in EU,half of europe buys home from beautiful and warm Turkish cities,a house is like 40k EU in Turkey
But EU will most probably grant Turkey with visa,it is also nice because nations get closer and people get to know each other better
I am hosting erasmus students for years and i also appraciated that program
We are having fun here with any kind of people here
They say that they were thinking that we ride camels here but they find out that here is even more european than some part of europe
You afraid of muslims there but we live with christians and other religious groups here all together

 

[1nsaneTR]

Bu ülkede bugün olan biteni bütünü ile görmezden gelip genel kurmay başkanının selam veriş şeklini dert eden forum sahipleri var. Vay beee

Dolanan mühimmat konusunda hiç bir şey yazmıyorum. Hiç bir şey yazmamamı proje başarısız oldu falan filan gibi yorumlamayın lütfen. Proje tam gaz devam etmekte ama artık konuşamıyorum

 

[MarkusS]

Your argument is partly stupid,mostly idiotic
This manner is stupid that Turkey is an oriental country and we have no place in EU
So Romania is gypsy and Bulgaria is burglar
Many european country is multicultural
Roma,Paris,Barcelone-full od pakis,africans and indians and there are also many muslim that currently living in EU

But I also do not think that Turkey will get in EU or should
İf we get in there we can't have any place to breath
Housing and food is cheap in Turkey,if we get in EU they will not
İf we get in EU,half of europe buys home from beautiful and warm Turkish cities,a house is like 40k EU in Turkey
But EU will most probably grant Turkey with visa,it is also nice because nations get closer and people get to know each other better
I am hosting erasmus students for years and i also appraciated that program
We are having fun here with any kind of people here
They say that they were thinking that we ride camels here but they find out that here is even more european than some part of europe
You afraid of muslims there but we live with christians and other religious groups here all together

You wont get the visa program. That deal is dead. You are unable to explain me what profit i have from turley getting free visa?

 

[Bismarck]

The pillars of our society . Roman law. Greek philosophy . Christian theology . Occidental Enlightenment . The roots of our community of values . If you can share this with us , welcome . If not , you have no place with us .

 

[OguzSenturk]

Christian Theology
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Rly? in 21st century? An Union based on one "Religious Theology" ? Smells like Christian version of ISIS

 

[Mucahit]

Bu ltalyan arkadaş çok ukala birisi, en azından bizim Türk forumundan uzaklaştırın adamın iletilerini her gördüğüm zaman kusasım geliyor.

Irkçılık, kendini üstün görme & her şeyi biliyorum, biz mükemmeliz tavırları sinir ediyor.

Sırf şu herif yüzünden koca forumu takip etmiyorum bazen.

Bazı Türk arkadaşlar ciddi alıp tartışıyor ama siz ne derseniz farketmez herif buraya insanları provoke etmeye geliyor ve başarılı da oluyor.

Adam Batı'nın ikiyüzlülüğünün ete bürünmüş hali resmen, bu gidişle bizim dış politika iyice doğuya kayıcak ki bence iyi bir şey...Batı ile mesafe koymanın zamanı geldi de geçiyor, herifler bize iyice untermensch muamelesi yapmaya başladı.

Avrupa'da yaşayan Türklerin üstündeki baskıyı da unutmamak gerek, her yönden bizi sindirmeye çalışıyorlar.

Bak hele sen Alman'ın yazdığına bak, Hrıstiyan tanrıbilimi ne lan? Bu şahısın sözde Türk bölümünde açtığı konular ciddiye alınıyor.

 

[Bismarck]

Christian Theology
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Rly? in 21st century? An Union based on one "Religious Theology" ? Smells like Christian version of ISIS

Our society is based on Christian theology. It's not a secret that all members have Christian roots in majority. Religion has no expiry date.

 

[OguzSenturk]

So, what are you planning to do about non-christian Europeans ? Your mentallity as nonsense as "Muslim State" supporters lol

 

[Bismarck]

So, what are you planning to do about non-christian Europeans ? Your mentallity as nonsense as "Muslim State" supporters lol

It seems you have your own way of interpretation. We have no plane against any minority's. Also, you follow a logic which we can see on many AKP politicians and followers.

Recognised religions have the same rights as Christians. Can you say that for Turkey? Why are you surprised when I say our value is based on Christian, too? As yours is on Islam.

I say, our value is based on Christian. Your interpretation; you hate non-Christian and want to kill them.