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[MarkusS]

Erdoğan is a President, Merkel's rank is equal to Prime Minister. They of course will not have big flag next to wall in meetings. It is diplomatic culture. It happens all the time around the world. If German President visit Turkey, there will be a big German flag next to wall.

or; if Merkel would be Turkish Prime Minister's guest, there will be big German Flag next to wall as well.

wrong.

When she visited Italy:

France:

So please spare us this. It was one of Erdogans typical oriental "power" games. Things like this made him the "persona non grata" combined with his erratic behavior.

Erdogan overplayed his cards. He is portraied on one line with Kim Jong Un or Maduro.
So no matter what i think or believe. Fact is there wont be any new start with Erdogan. We will have a gradual break down of more and more relations.

So, you are taking any news in your media as granted because your hatred for Erdogan ?



I'm saying your hatred for Erdogan interferes with your rational thinking and the way you see things.


Not true, look there is one on the table.

I have no hate for Erdogan. I´m a simple italian boy doing my stuff and struggle to go through life. I told you the obvious. Somthing you already said yourself, that Erdogan is burned in europe.

 

[OguzSenturk]

So please spare us this. It was one of Erdogans typical oriental "power" games.
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Actually, not, that is how diplomacy works. Few examples ;

When Erdoğan was Prime Minister (and wasnt equal to Iran's presentation);

When Erdoğan was President (and was equal to Iran's presentation)

That is just how things work in diplomacy. You are making AKP even stronger with those childish arguments. For real, if Ignorent side of EU knows how to shut up, AKP couldnt get %50. Erdoğan shows stupidity of Europeans as an argument and it works.

 

[-SINAN-]

wrong.

When she visited Italy:

France:

So please spare us this. It was one of Erdogans typical oriental "power" games. Things like this made him the "persona non grata" combined with his erratic behavior.

Erdogan overplayed his cards. He is portraied on one line with Kim Jong Un or Maduro.
So no matter what i think or believe. Fact is there wont be any new start with Erdogan. We will have a gradual break down of more and more relations.




I have no hate for Erdogan. I´m a simple italian boy doing my stuff and struggle to go through life. I told you the obvious. Somthing you already said yourself, that Erdogan is burned in europe.

I don't think, we can come into terms as you are avoiding my simple questions deliberately.

 

[MarkusS]

I don't think, we can come into terms as you are avoiding my simple questions deliberately.

I avoided nothing. We see Erdogan as a dictator. He is a very simple minded person. Not very intellectual. He bases his politics on medival power games and ruins his country.

His erratic behavior hascut him off from the talking line. Europe doesnt accept him as partner anymore. You said it yourself that leading politicians in your country know this as well.

So please spare us this. It was one of Erdogans typical oriental "power" games.
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Actually, not, that is how diplomacy works. Few examples ;

When Erdoğan was Prime Minister (and wasnt equal to Iran's presentation);

When Erdoğan was President (and was equal to Iran's presentation)

That is just how things work in diplomacy. You are making AKP even stronger with those childish arguments. For real, if Ignorent side of EU knows how to shut up, AKP couldnt get %50. Erdoğan shows stupidity of Europeans as an argument and it works.

Thats not diplomacy. Thats typical orintal bullshit which was seen as massive insult in europe.

And how are we making AKP stronger? Turkey currently is falling down on evry aspect. Erdogan destroys your country.

With all due respect but so far no european leader was willing to belittle himself to meet this intellectual slug.

I heared that makes Erdogan going mad. That not one european leader visited or even spoke nice words.

The best answer gave EU commission president Schulz. When Erdogan made a public statement about visa issues Schulz said journalists that he dont debates politics with erdogan. Erdogan is only the persident and holds no powers regarding the turkish constitution, so Erdogans opinion matters as much in this debates as those from a cleaning women.

Our own PM Renzi also knows how to deal with Erdogan. As does the austrian chancellor. Hard and simple language.

German defense minister von der leyen does know this games as well. Turkey recently banned german politicians to visit the german soldiers there. Ursula von der Leyen forced her way in. She decleared it her duty as NATO commander, and did fly there and with this move forced Turkey to ignore its own orders from above.

Erdogan doesnt realize that Merkel is isolated in Europe. Most european nations want kick off turkey and install Plan A...closing down completly. Merkel is the only one pushing for the EU-Turkey deal. Erdogan humilated her again and again. This is watched from others in Europe with great joy. Now that the plan starts to break apart many in Europe jump out their hiding and shout they knew it from day one.

 

[-SINAN-]

I avoided nothing. We see Erdogan as a dictator. He is a very simple minded person. Not very intellectual. He bases his politics on medival power games and ruins his country.

His erratic behavior hascut him off from the talking line. Europe doesnt accept him as partner anymore. You said it yourself that leading politicians in your country know this as well.

Then it means you are not reading my posts, just writing down, what's on your mind.

Your media says, "The mass deportations of military leadership, judges, police, teachers and even journalists reaches levels unimaginable." But at the same time, they give no back-ground.....did you ever wondered why Turkish government is deporting these people, who are these deported people ?

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/Çay-bahçesi.315137/page-1164#ixzz4GTdMvtiS

I asked the above question 2 times, i'm asking for the third time.

 

[OguzSenturk]

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And how are we making AKP stronger? .
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Dude.. AKP would get %60 in every early election right now, if not %70.

Did you see last US and German articles against Turkey and Erdoğan ? Yeah, every of those stupid articles give %1 more vote to AKP You really do NOT know how Turkish Nation thinks against foreign intervene into our interrior businesses. It just makes AKP stronger and stronger. And because of your cute EU's stupid statesment, we opposition of AKP have to deal with AKP and Erdoğan 5 more years...

 

[ANMDT]

We see Erdogan as a dictator.

A dictator isnt likely to be elected by more than a half of voters.
According to europe , Sisi isnt a dictator but Erdoğan is , you can simply accept how unfair the European countries are.
If you are not whom they like,or they want suddenly you turn to be " persone non grata", this is what a civilized and modernized country does, doing biased news by supporting clearly to be coup participants as innocents ,isnt at all going well.

I am sorry but, the democracy lover European countries and US hasnt standed beside democracy, the nation who participates into this democracy also who standed against coup. All of you were watching with drooling mouth to coup to happen and to rip off the Turkey like a banana as it happens in Egypt.

The world soon will see how many mask the west puts on, how they become anti democratic and manipulating the media in their own countries.

Accept or not, all of you had a huge pain in the ***, and that keeps going deeper as the nation becomes one regarding what their view is, its tearing you apart from down to up am i not true? Your media shows it. Erdoğan just a symbol a person, the people in here simply keeps their " country and state" which none of ,or a few European countries know what is it (Seeing WWII shows us this)

 

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[MarkusS]

Then it means you are not reading my posts, just writing down, what's on your mind.



Source: https://defence.pk/threads/Çay-bahçesi.315137/page-1164#ixzz4GTdMvtiS

I asked the above question 2 times, i'm asking for the third time.

I dont take the news of our media granted. I see whats going on there and make my own opinion.

Erdogan threatens my nation. He threatens europe. He treats our diplomatic staff bad and acts like a dangerous idiot. If you believe that i ignore threats against my people you are mistaken.

The statements Erdogan vomits out are facts. I dont need media debates. I make my own opinion.

Erdogan disgusts me because the pathetic weakness he shows. He appears extremly insecure, weak minded.

Your country deserves better than this.

 

[OguzSenturk]

 

[MarkusS]

A dictator isnt likely to be elected by more than a half of voters.
According to europe , Sisi isnt a dictator but Erdoğan is , you can simply accept how unfair the European countries are.
If you are not whom they like,or they want suddenly you turn to be " persone non grata", this is what a civilized and modernized country does, doing biased news by supporting clearly to be coup participants as innocents ,isnt at all going well.

I am sorry but, the democracy lover European countries and US hasnt standed beside democracy, the nation who participates into this democracy also who standed against coup. All of you were watching with drooling mouth to coup to happen and to rip off the Turkey like a banana as it happens in Egypt.

The world soon will see how many mask the west puts on, how they become anti democratic and manipulating the media in their own countries.

Accept or not, all of you had a huge pain in the ***, and that keeps going deeper as the nation becomes one regarding what their view is, its tearing you apart from down to up am i not true? Your media shows it. Erdoğan just a symbol a person, the people in here simply keeps their " country and state" which none of ,or a few European countries know what is it (Seeing WWII shows us this)

Hitler was elected twice.

I also think you dont understand democracy. Democracy is not the rule of the majority. Democracy means compromise and constant debate o find the best solution for all. Erdogan divides your country. He ripps it apart internal.

Erdogan wants to destroy Turkey. He said he want give 2 million syrians a turkish passport. He make civil war in eastern turkey. He sacrifices your great nation for his religious utopia.

Your people lost their country and its sad to see. Dont you have proud patriots who fight for their nation?

There was once a turk respected in Italy as well. His name was Ataturk. I wish your country much luck. It will need it. You destroy what Ataturk was able to build up. Erdogan turns a vibrant nation respected in europe into a middle eastern black hole.

Meanwhile its important we secure our boarder since we expect more and more turks to seek asylum in europe. The destabilisation of turkey reached levels that cause security concerns for us and we currently prepare for its collapse.

Turkey is an important country in the eastern med. Italy is a security power in the med. When turkey collapses we face the brunt of the consequences.

no, why should i be mad? Its your life that goes down the toilet, not mine.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Hahaha he is really gone mad

 

[bedbin]

Ne millet ne de politikacılar samimi bu ülkede...

Ee ankette %80 ab'yi önemsemiyoruz demiş, benim çevremde kimi görsem onlar da AB istemiyor..

peki AB ülkelerindeki "Türkiye AB ye girmek için kendini parçalıyor, muhtaç, ağlıyor, sızlıyor, pis türkler ab'yi işgal edecek" algısı nereden geliyor?

50 yıl AB kapısında bizi köpek gibi süründüren siyasetcilerden tabiki de...

Adamlar çıkmış, ab reformlarını tamamladıktan sonra referanduma gideceğiz diyor "türk halkı ab'ye girmek istiyor mu istemiyor mu" diye...

BA BA BA...

referanduma gidecekmiş. tayyip çıkıp diyor, "dürüst olun" diye herkese... siz dürüst olun..

Bu halk AB'yi istemiyor. Dünyada da AB standartlarında demokrasiye ulaşmış başka ülkeler de var.. Bak örneklere, anaysayı değiştir, reformlar yap. Ab standartlarının üstüne taşı ülkeyi. ha bir diğer husus da, neden ab'yi referans alıyoruz? Kendimiz yazıp, çizelim.. onlar bi standart biçmiş diye onları referans almak durumunda da değiliz..

dürüst olun la dürüst.. halkın sesine kulak verin, delikanlı gibi çıkın deyin, Ne biz ne de halkımız ab'ye girmek istiyor diye...

Yönümüzü de çevirin, çin'e rusya'ya... kendi içimizde ab standartlarının üstünde demokrasi kuralım, stratejik ortağımız da rusya olsun, çin olsun, brezilya olsun...

Ha son olarak herkes hatırlıyor mu bilmiyorum, Rte'nin bir sözü vardı "AB ile vize anlaşması yapılmassa, suriyeli mültecilerle ilgili anlaşma feshedilecek diye" hatırlıyorsunuz di mi ?

 

[anatolia]

Ne millet ne de politikacılar samimi bu ülkede...

Ee ankette %80 ab'yi önemsemiyoruz demiş, benim çevremde kimi görsem onlar da AB istemiyor..

peki AB ülkelerindeki "Türkiye AB ye girmek için kendini parçalıyor, muhtaç, ağlıyor, sızlıyor, pis türkler ab'yi işgal edecek" algısı nereden geliyor?

50 yıl AB kapısında bizi köpek gibi süründüren siyasetcilerden tabiki de...

Adamlar çıkmış, ab reformlarını tamamladıktan sonra referanduma gideceğiz diyor "türk halkı ab'ye girmek istiyor mu istemiyor mu" diye...

BA BA BA...

referanduma gidecekmiş. tayyip çıkıp diyor, "dürüst olun" diye herkese... siz dürüst olun..

Bu halk AB'yi istemiyor. Dünyada da AB standartlarında demokrasiye ulaşmış başka ülkeler de var.. Bak örneklere, anaysayı değiştir, reformlar yap. Ab standartlarının üstüne taşı ülkeyi. ha bir diğer husus da, neden ab'yi referans alıyoruz? Kendimiz yazıp, çizelim.. onlar bi standart biçmiş diye onları referans almak durumunda da değiliz..

dürüst olun la dürüst.. halkın sesine kulak verin, delikanlı gibi çıkın deyin, Ne biz ne de halkımız ab'ye girmek istiyor diye...

Yönümüzü de çevirin, çin'e rusya'ya... kendi içimizde ab standartlarının üstünde demokrasi kuralım, stratejik ortağımız da rusya olsun, çin olsun, brezilya olsun...

Ha son olarak herkes hatırlıyor mu bilmiyorum, Rte'nin bir sözü vardı "AB ile vize anlaşması yapılmassa, suriyeli mültecilerle ilgili anlaşma feshedilecek diye" hatırlıyorsunuz di mi ?

eu dan gelen ve gecek olan para icin baska sebebi yok ..mesala polonya 2014 yilinda 3 milyar euro koymsu 17 almis..maalesef kopruyu gecene kadar ayiya dayi diyecegiz

 

[Bismarck]

@MarkusS

Our European establishment and most of there people don't interested in Turkey or Turks, so why should they care if they live or want to live under a dictatorship? If we don't care in Turks, why should we interested in democratic deficid in Turkey?