CAS Mujahid Anwar: Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it

[The Eagle]

I like it when moderators are reduced to trolling.

But I don't like it when an intelligent person couldn't get the gist of message and can't read the sarcasm. By the way, that was on lighter note acknowledging your information that we don't have Pantsir yet and so to let you know that no one knows what do we have in store. Asking too many questions as such will obviously raise the suspicion so I was actually trying to reduce the heat on you. Why to be judgmental then? Chill and as you have referred a Mod to me so then you should try harder to understand what is not being said openly but just that post of mine. Wouldn't you?

 

[KhanBaba2]

But I don't like it when an intelligent person couldn't get the gist of message and can't read the sarcasm. By the way, that was on lighter note acknowledging your information that we don't have Pantsir yet and so to let you know that no one knows what do we have in store. Asking too many questions as such will obviously raise the suspicion so I was actually trying to reduce the heat on you. Why to be judgmental then? Chill and as you have referred a Mod to me so then you should try harder to understand what is not being said openly but just that post of mine. Wouldn't you?

Don't worry about me. There was no heat on me. I have no problem if 50 people gang up on me.

At last I have a confirmation from your side that you don't have Pantsir and I don't need to discuss how effective it will be against the Brahmos. That would have been a more interesting conversation.

There are rumors of all sort of things that you have. But a serious defence conversation does not work on rumors.

 

[The Eagle]

At last I have a confirmation from your side that you don't have Pantsir

But no one knows, were next words in my post as well. Solely relying on my opinion may either serve your purpose or may get you into trouble. You can choose the way you want to.

There are rumors of all sort of things that you have. But a serious defence conversation does not work on rumors.

That's all I needed to read and thank you.

That would have been a more interesting conversation.

Only if people in conversation ever knew the exact parameters of such system employed with tactics & other assets in arena but that is impossible hence, no discussion is more plausible than assumptions.

 

[Caprxl]

Allegedly knowing that the time for Vipers, has gone is far more different than the capability of platform which is unquestionable. Having said that, PAF has vast experience with F-16s and there is less to spend upon infrastructure to welcome V+AESA as compare to have a new platform which will need more of years of induction, tactics building, familiarity and above all the cost going manifolds. Diversification is the key here that PAF maintains for decades thus employing advance tactics having hands on platforms from East & West both. Until the AZM becomes reality, such mix will pay on any day in air warfare. Imagine we are operating F-16s (US), JF-17 Thunder (home built) J-10 (China) & Mirages (France) while we are planning to grow Thunder Block-III at par of 4th Gen and yet we have a mountain task of AZM as well.... and then just look at the size of pocket and money within. In our case, not just the acquiring a new platform needs more of diplomatic work but also, we do have limited resources/economy as well.

Summed it up well , especially the below lines;

" Diversification is the key here that PAF maintains for decades thus employing advance tactics having hands on platforms from East & West both. Until the AZM becomes reality, such mix will pay on any day in air warfare. Imagine we are operating F-16s (US), JF-17 Thunder (home built) J-10 (China) & Mirages (France) "

 

[MystryMan]

in my opinion,

PAF should go for modified j-20 with ws-15 TVC and additional enclosed HP's. go for 3 -4 squadrons to shut up IAf till AZM takes over for 1:1 replacement for blk1 JFT and F-16.

lesser option could be to go for minimum 4 squadrons of j-10d. yes j-10d....

rafel is a real challenge that should be answered.

J10D?

 

[The Eagle]

Summed it up well , especially the below lines;

" Diversification is the key here that PAF maintains for decades thus employing advance tactics having hands on platforms from East & West both. Until the AZM becomes reality, such mix will pay on any day in air warfare. Imagine we are operating F-16s (US), JF-17 Thunder (home built) J-10 (China) & Mirages (France) "

In my opinion, having yet another platform like J-10C while we are going for Block-III and then AZM is not that cost effective having our limitations that we don't have such luxury to maintain all. However, if possible, having Viper + AESA will be more beneficial as compare to a whole new setup for another platform.

 

[NA71]

Correct Who Knows! but Why? If we have something that is better technologically/Effective as as weapon system. There is new confidence that has developed after last year on Chinese tech...it has been combat proven. why we loved F-16s because it was combat proven & effective. heck we had LFK601 experiment in live/combat situation.

o yes... and that was shocking for SU30MKI pilots yelling WTF..... clueless lock warnings.....

 

[TOPGUN]

I like it when moderators are reduced to trolling.



Ok. Give me something to read. Not rumors.

Give your self something to read don't be lazy go search on line in-fact a lot of it has been talked about here search, find and understand !!

 

[Caprxl]

In my opinion, having yet another platform like J-10C while we are going for Block-III and then AZM is not that cost effective having our limitations that we don't have such luxury to maintain all. However, if possible, having Viper + AESA will be more beneficial as compare to a whole new setup for another platform.

Well here is the catch, on paper having J10C as you said is not cost effective vs getting new Vipers & upgradation of old ones BUT it will take good work from our civil n mil office to get Vipers from US (again not impossible but a bit difficult).

The reason i gave J10C a number 2 & Vipers number 3 on my list of Realistic options for PAF a few posts back.

Lets see what comes out of it, but it seems something is being cooked, CAS wouldnt give such a statement otherwise.

 

[NA71]

Okay, if that scenario is true, then we're pretty much out of short-term options.

Lets leave the JF-17 aside for the moment & know full well that Project AZM is a good decade away (minimum) before making it into the inventory.

What're our options?

The obvious... J-10(C/E).

Is PAF calling the US's bluff. Lets say the PAF put up a Tender & give indications that they're going for the J-10's. In your opinion, do you think/believe that the US may take notice to it & pounce with an offer for Vipers?

Behind the scene things are very tough for Pakistan....do not take Trump's statement seriously "US is closer to Pak ever before" it is exactly opposite....US is pressing hard to quit CPEC....

see this:
https://dailytimes.com.pk/544481/beijing-warns-us-not-to-meddle-in-pakistan-china-ties-cpec/
https://jamestown.org/program/pakistan-and-cpec-are-drawn-into-the-u-s-china-rivalry/
https://www.voanews.com/usa/senior-us-diplomat-pakistan-amid-warming-mutual-ties

Pakistan can not afford to loose China and therefore multi dimensional power play is on.....Pakistan in this situation won't be able to get any military hardware from US or any other European country.....forget F-16s/Typhoons/Gripens

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Behind the scene things are very tough for Pakistan....do not take Trump's statement seriously "US is closer to Pak ever before" it is exactly opposite....US is pressing hard to quit CPEC....

see this:
https://dailytimes.com.pk/544481/beijing-warns-us-not-to-meddle-in-pakistan-china-ties-cpec/
https://jamestown.org/program/pakistan-and-cpec-are-drawn-into-the-u-s-china-rivalry/
https://www.voanews.com/usa/senior-us-diplomat-pakistan-amid-warming-mutual-ties

Pakistan can not afford to loose China and therefore multi dimensional power play is on.....Pakistan in this situation won't be able to get any military hardware from US or any other European country.....forget F-16s/Typhoons/Gripens

Keep your friends close, but enemies closer - a line from the movie, The Godfather

My dear brothers @Caprxl @Trailer23 @kursed
- RAFALE WITHOUT METEOR = JFT B3
Nope, wrong call !!! First of, we don’t know the specs of B3 and specifically EW Capabilities. Rafale is not just a BVR threat, it is a highly potent EW threat as well as WVR threat. One can oversee US, China, Russia, Italian capabilities but French are not ordinary like all of them, they know what they do and they are best at that !!! Never underestimate the French capabilities and SPECTRA EW is not some small boy in a park.

To counter that you need "Muslim" algorithms to suscitate the "Muslim" high-power & high-frequency semiconductor devices...

 

[NA71]

so we are back on the same options
Chinese J-15, J20....
with Russian consent J-16.....

if Russians agree on
Try hard for Russian SU-35/Mig-35

 

[StormBreaker]

Keep your friends close, but enemies closer - a line from the movie, The Godfather


To counter that you need "Muslim" algorithms to suscitate the "Muslim" high-power & high-frequency semiconductor devices...

You guys have have dedication and R&D backing from government, do it for all

We unfortunately are dead hearted people

 

[vishwambhar]

No F35 for us as we are getting the S400.

Very true.... India will never get F35.... Even if USA offers it to us irrespective of S400 then also there's no guarantee that India will go ahead with offer as we have our own policy of operating system without any strings attached.... Our future is homemade AMCA..... In between if need arises we can see Sukhoi 57 in limited numbers....

 

[Trailer23]

sir, J10C/E and F-16 are same class. if you give importance to AESA then KLJ7A in Block 3 should be at par with J10CE Radar...then PAF is left with the silver bullet.

With the exception of the newly introduced AESA Radar, I think the highlighted in red are the points that are of more interest.