Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[SBD-3]

impressive detail yes this fighter jet is good for anti ground and ship role but not sure about anti air war or dog fights it can survive

we have many other airframes for this....JFTs,F-7s and F-16s can do this job. Mirages are assigned anti ground and anti ship roles.

 

[SBD-3]

need to wait a few years - its in the works!!!

will it be FC-20s or JFTs......(I personally think PAF should buy a more specialized naval AC like JH-7A or may be stealthy JH-7B which is in development)

 

[umair86]

JH-7 is a very good option buy a squadron of them can carry 4 AsHM has self defensive capability and can pack alot of jamming equipment

 

[SBD-3]

JH-7 is a very good option buy a squadron of them can carry 4 AsHM has self defensive capability and can pack alot of jamming equipment

I agree....I mean hoestly its not necessary to develop a naval variant of JFT when there is a much more specialized platform available which is primarily meant for this job........we can buy this off the shelf as it will save a lot of development time and cost which would help PAF to divert these saved resourced to other ongoing programs....cuz I dont see a significant market for naval operations and let Chinese friends work with this chunk of bread while we concentrate on other one.

 

[Arsalan]

I agree....I mean hoestly its not necessary to develop a naval variant of JFT when there is a much more specialized platform available which is primarily meant for this job........we can buy this off the shelf as it will save a lot of development time and cost which would help PAF to divert these saved resourced to other ongoing programs....cuz I dont see a significant market for naval operations and let Chinese friends work with this chunk of bread while we concentrate on other one.

bro, JFT is being developed to be he future of PAF. PAF wnats it to be there work horse in years to come and this give them every reason to modify it to fit in the naval role.

going for multiple platforms for different roles eg JH-7 for naval duties wont be good. this means that soon we will be looking for an air superiority fighter for air defence roles, a specialized ground attack platform for CAS and all...
this effectively kills the purpose and visioj of a Multi role fighter aircraft whic, PAF wants the JFT to be.

regards!

 

[muse]

this effectively kills the purpose and vision of a Multi role fighter aircraft which PAF wants the JFT to be.

Be reasonable -- the aircraft is a light fighter - that it can perform other roles is not being challenged - it is being suggested that other aircraft offer capabilities that the JFT at present does not , namely range, payload, twin engine

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Capabilities Beyond Imagination
With ROSE upgrades PAF Mirage are capable of Night vision, Precision Guided & Stand Off strikes and looking Beyond Visual Range. Sketch depicts a Mirage5 dropping LGB on a target while dart FLIR right under its cockpit, is responsible for guiding this bomb to the target.

 

[BATMAN]

Be reasonable -- the aircraft is a light fighter - that it can perform other roles is not being challenged - it is being suggested that other aircraft offer capabilities that the JFT at present does not , namely range, payload, twin engine

in india Pakistan's scenario 3000km is enough while a2a refueling augment it to all roles.

Again, one weapon more or less makes no difference in real war theater, what matters is precise bombing and low RCS.

JFT is a multirole and i trust with it, PAF has all the talent to improvise in required roles.

 

[SBD-3]

bro, JFT is being developed to be he future of PAF. PAF wnats it to be there work horse in years to come and this give them every reason to modify it to fit in the naval role.

going for multiple platforms for different roles eg JH-7 for naval duties wont be good. this means that soon we will be looking for an air superiority fighter for air defence roles, a specialized ground attack platform for CAS and all...
this effectively kills the purpose and visioj of a Multi role fighter aircraft whic, PAF wants the JFT to be.

regards!

I agree PAF sees significant potential in future with JFT, but having said that how many JFT will we produce for naval role? 100? or 200 ? i dont see a need maximum beyond a squadron or two. So why a force like PAF which already has its hands filled with work and limited budget would like to invest for development of an aircraft variant which would not be needed beyond maximum 2 squadrons. Having said this JH-7A is a medium to heavy fighter as compared to lighter JFT so can carry some munitions 8Tonns IMHO. so even a single squadron will be sufficient for maritime strike role in combination with an air superiority escort like FC-20 (eventhough JH-7A itself is a BVR capable platform)

 

[Arsalan]

Be reasonable -- the aircraft is a light fighter - that it can perform other roles is not being challenged - it is being suggested that other aircraft offer capabilities that the JFT at present does not , namely range, payload, twin engine

sir i guess i didnt explained my point!
i agree that it is a light weight fightr but also note that it is poised to be PAF main multi role work horse.
in this case PAF wont be intrestd in investing on other platforms, rather they would like to spend the amount in modificationof JFT.

i agree that there are other available platforms with abilities that JFT do not have at present but dont you think PAF is in no position to go seodning $$$ of platforms just because JFT is not at present capable enough!
i dont think so, we, with limited defence budget wont be enjoying such luxries!

regards!

 

[trident2010]

JH-7 is a very good option buy a squadron of them can carry 4 AsHM has self defensive capability and can pack alot of jamming equipment

JH-7A

Looks good !!

However it is a twin engine craft. Do you think PAF operate twin engine craft?

 

[TaimiKhan]

JH-7A

Looks good !!

However it is a twin engine craft. Do you think PAF operate twin engine craft?

Pakistan, has no problems in operating limited number of twin engine aircraft, if need arises. A-5s are twin engine aircraft which it is flying but would be decommissioned as JF-17s are inducted.

So for some limited role, PAF can operate twin engine aircraft.

But PAF from now onwards would like to have multi-role aircraft in its inventory, that is why we are seeing multi-role aircrafts being inducted and planned to be inducted, so most probably, PAF is gonna stick with single engine aircraft, and may be in future, use the FC-20s in anti-ship role, as they may be able to carry more then one AShM.

 

[muse]

It's my strong impression that posters have not given enough thought to the kinds of weapons and threats that Pakistan will face from adversaries on the seas.

Generally, we can say that the IN is blue water navy and PN has trouble even being a coastal guard - but IN is not the only adversary, in the near future we may face an even more well armed adversary or a "coalition" of adversaries, ideas such as one or two squadrons or a light fighter "improvising" seem desperate and wasteful.

We might learn from the strategy employed by the Iraqi, he could not stop his adversary far from his shore and his adversary built up close to his shore - we must be able to destroy the enemy further and further away from our shores, to ensure shipping lanes transporting vital supplies are open to shipping we approve of and closed to shipping we do not approve of - It is time to begin to think in terms of the kinds of mid and long term threats we may face and capabilities we may seek to develop.

Naval Air is as relevant and potent a component as is submarine capability, particularly as developing a surface structure is both financially and technologically challenging, and the kinds of threats we may face in the mid and long term will seek to engage us at progressively longer ranges.

 

[SBD-3]

Pakistan, has no problems in operating limited number of twin engine aircraft, if need arises. A-5s are twin engine aircraft which it is flying but would be decommissioned as JF-17s are inducted.

So for some limited role, PAF can operate twin engine aircraft.

But PAF from now onwards would like to have multi-role aircraft in its inventory, that is why we are seeing multi-role aircrafts being inducted and planned to be inducted, so most probably, PAF is gonna stick with single engine aircraft, and may be in future, use the FC-20s in anti-ship role, as they may be able to carry more then one AShM.

but taimi question remains. FC-20 will be optimized for multirole as per current J-10B (which will likely form the bases of FC-20 Upgarde) eventhough A2G is strenghtened, yet A2A improvement is the central theme of design. We can have FC-20s and JFTs defending our shore, no doubt about it but when we face a greater threat from IN in the future, we need a more potent and specialized maritime stiker. regarding arsalan's post JH-7A will be bought off the shelf, so no development costs will have to be incured and secondly it can be procured readily. However, PAF can stuff some western Avionics in it as well like F-7PG if it wants. Rather than designing and optimizing JFT for maritime role which will include development cost and time cost, why not go for an already good alternative available in the market.

 

[TaimiKhan]

but taimi question remains. FC-20 will be optimized for multirole as per current J-10B (which will likely form the bases of FC-20 Upgarde) eventhough A2G is strenghtened, yet A2A improvement is the central theme of design. We can have FC-20s and JFTs defending our shore, no doubt about it but when we face a greater threat from IN in the future, we need a more potent and specialized maritime stiker. regarding arsalan's post JH-7A will be bought off the shelf, so no development costs will have to be incured and secondly it can be procured readily. However, PAF can stuff some western Avionics in it as well like F-7PG if it wants. Rather than designing and optimizing JFT for maritime role which will include development cost and time cost, why not go for an already good alternative available in the market.

Sir, above the Arabian Sea, fighters will not only be doing ship hunting, rather they would be doing aerial battles too. IN is having Mig-29s for itself, can a JH-7As counter the Mig-29s ?? I doubt it.

If we buy JH-7, it will be a burden on us, not only they will have no real A2A capability but will have to be provided escorts for protection from enemy planes, so they are gonna take more resources rather then being of any big help.

So, then why not have a platform, which is not only a maritime strike fighter, but rather a multi-role, so that same Sqd can do air defence roles as well as maritime strike operations.

So either FC-20s, or if possible, then J-11s, as they can truly be used as multi-role fighter and a very goo match for the adversary.