Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Ultima Thule]

Well when you wana make Baba a young lad then give him new lungs Heart eyes and ears too just giving him limbs won't help

You have to rewire whole Mirage, cockpit has not enough space to install multiple modern MFDs, and how long we are expected to use our Mirages, 2025 or 2030, any idea???, isn't better that we will replace our Mirages with better deep strike jets like JH-7A or J-16 or Su-34

 

[mingle]

You have to rewire whole Mirage, cockpit has not enough space to install multiple modern MFDs, and how long we are expected to use our Mirages, 2025 or 2030, any idea???, isn't better that we will replace our Mirages with better deep strike jets like JH-7A or J-16 or Su-34

PAF just request to Govt about a separate facility from any western country like loan or line credit not more than 300 to 400 million to repay per year and give a open tender from whole Mirage fleet replacement with specifications like integration of local weapons along Chinese weapons not bigger than $$10 billion I mean make a flat rate I assure you we will get good deal from US or Sweden or Russia if they offer loan rather than spending bit and pieces on a old frame and think about 45 yrs ahead.Don't say about money pulling out another 300 to 400 million a year is not big deal even for Pak Govt or even make F16 s deal with that money and replace all these mirages with them.

 

[FuturePAF]

i think PAF is working on numbers too. and in that turn is trying to upgrade Mirage PA/PA2/PA3 to next version or ROSE i want to call is ROSE4. this will enhance and upgrade a fine machine of yesteryears to modern warfare effectiveness. if i am not wrong, PAF can get min 36 to 44 examples of single seat upgraded over next 2 years with modern cockpit, avionics and other goodies. could also enhance them with bvr capability. we don't have to upgrade the with aesa. for the role a new upgraded grifo S7 version will just do it.

Upgrading some with Turkish avionics and radar can open up their arms industry to supply the PAF, especially in times of war.

Turkish experience with electronic warfare and operating in a high jamming environment like Syria could mean their weapons would be a formidable threat if acquired; Turkish cruise missiles like the SOM.

Also a Turkish upgraded Mirage could serve as a platform for Turkish dedicated EW suite; based on the systems developed for the HAVASOJ program

 

[mingle]

Upgrading some with Turkish avionics and radar can open up their arms industry to supply the PAF, especially in times of war.

Turkish experience with electronic warfare and operating in a high jamming environment like Syria could mean their weapons would be a formidable threat if acquired; Turkish cruise missiles like the SOM.

Also a Turkish upgraded Mirage could serve as a platform for Turkish dedicated EW suite; based on the systems developed for the HAVASOJ program

Two things Pak can't upgrade F16s with ozger upgrade by Turkey due to intellectual property rights we need US NOC also for Mirages again we debating about a plane which born in 50s yes for JF-17 I will like to integrate Turkish electronics and AMRAAM or we can have a test bed JF-17 for turkish radar and electronics weapons integration

 

[FuturePAF]

Two things Pak can't upgrade F16s with ozger upgrade by Turkey due to intellectual property rights we need US NOC also for Mirages again we debating about a plane which born in 50s yes for JF-17 I will like to integrate Turkish electronics and AMRAAM or we can have a test bed JF-17 for turkish radar and electronics weapons integration

I agree the JF-17 would be a better platform to integrate these capabilities on to, but if we are reserving the JF-17 and F-16 for the air to air role and using the mirages as strike platforms, we should look to integrate some of these capabilities onto the mirages, especially if we plan to upgrade the mirages up to a modern standard.

Ideally we should ditch the mirages and just build more JF-17; customizing them as we see fit. Perhaps the issue is finances, and the PAF is stretching it’s Rupees as far as they can go.

 

[mingle]

I agree the JF-17 would be a better platform to integrate these capabilities on to, but if we are reserving the JF-17 and F-16 for the air to air role and using the mirages as strike platforms, we should look to integrate some of these capabilities onto the mirages, especially if we plan to upgrade the mirages up to a modern standard.

Ideally we should ditch the mirages and just build more JF-17; customizing them as we see fit. Perhaps the issue is finances, and the PAF is stretching it’s Rupees as far as they can go.

But your point is valid putt more JF-17 on table can carry more load than mirages more versatile.
Yes we have mirage infrastructure but too old to hold on like garnd paa if we big airforce like US they ran F15 F16 combo now F22 and F35. Turkey F16 F4.

 

[FuturePAF]

But your point is valid putt more JF-17 on table can carry more load than mirages more versatile.
Yes we have mirage infrastructure but too old to hold on like garnd paa if we big airforce like US they ran F15 F16 combo now F22 and F35. Turkey F16 F4.

PAF may end up going to 250 JF-17s, which wouldn’t be as bad, if we keep in mind the platform is just that a platform, and we retain the ability to customize as needed.

The mirage air frames will cost more the. They are worth repairing, as the back and forth Denel and I had on this thread months ago ultimately agreed upon.

If the Block III can carry enough of a heavier loadout with a new more powerful engine and stronger airframe and perform nearly as good as other modern strike platforms, then it is ideally suited for the PAF.

The PAF should go for a strike variant to replace the mirages, especially if it can maintain high sortie rates and quick turnaround times between sorties, which would make a crucial for repelling any attack allow the border and sustaining that support to ground forces as well as repelling enemy Air Force units.

 

[mingle]

PAF may end up going to 250 JF-17s, which wouldn’t be as bad, if we keep in mind the platform is just that a platform, and we retain the ability to customize as needed.

The mirage air frames will cost more the. They are worth repairing, as the back and forth Denel and I had on this thread months ago ultimately agreed upon.

If the Block III can carry enough of a heavier loadout with a new more powerful engine and stronger airframe and perform nearly as good as other modern strike platforms, then it is ideally suited for the PAF.

The PAF should go for a strike variant to replace the mirages, especially if it can maintain high sortie rates and quick turnaround times between sorties, which would make a crucial for repelling any attack allow the border and sustaining that support to ground forces as well as repelling enemy Air Force units.

Ideal platform to replace Mirages are SU35 or EF or F15, F18 super Hornet middle two are expensive then Super hornet along more used and upgraded F16s and JF-17 would be ideal SU 35 issue is cash and US sanctions
If all is not possible then PAF should more F16s in good numbers including new one with favour to integrate French and US antiship SOWs integration.

 

[HRK]

how long we are expected to use our Mirages, 2025 or 2030, any idea???

he said, adding that usually the MRF has the capacity for more than a dozen planes a year. Its calendar for the next decade or so is already booked up

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On average Mirage Rebuild Factory-PAC have capacity to overhaul 12 jets, but we know MRF deal with other aircrafts as well, so If we assume not all would be Mirages jets in this case I guess at least half of aircrafts would be Mirages jets which mean at least 60 would get overhauled in MRF and then every overhauled jet would be able to stay in service with PAF for next decade

 

[FuturePAF]

Ideal platform to replace Mirages are SU35 or EF or F15, F18 super Hornet middle two are expensive then Super hornet along more used and upgraded F16s and JF-17 would be ideal SU 35 issue is cash and US sanctions
If all is not possible then PAF should more F16s in good numbers including new one with favour to integrate French and US antiship SOWs integration.

these would be better options (especially more new or even used F-16s) if the politics and finances were also on our side. Pakistan after the effects of this coronavirus will have even more limited options, unless CSF money becomes available, we should plan on making the JF-17 the be all and end all fighter of the PAF, similar to how the Gripen is sole fighter of the Swedish Air Force.

 

[mingle]

these would be better options (especially more new or even used F-16s) if the politics and finances were also on our side. Pakistan after the effects of this coronavirus will have even more limited options, unless CSF money becomes available, we should plan on making the JF-17 the be all and end all fighter of the PAF, similar to how the Gripen is sole fighter of the Swedish Air Force.

So true but Pak should play her cards right US will look for orders any deal finance by US is possible

 

[syed_yusuf]

click here
On average Mirage Rebuild Factory-PAC have capacity to overhaul 12 jets, but we know MRF deal with other aircrafts as well, so If we assume not all would be Mirages jets in this case I guess at least half of aircrafts would be Mirages jets which mean at least 60 would get overhauled in MRF and then every overhauled jet would be able to stay in service with PAF for next decade

how long will i take 60 be upgraded at 6 a year capacity ~10 years?

 

[syed_yusuf]

what kind of mirage is this


http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/Mirage-III-A3-96/Mirage_A3_96_as_PAF_596?full=1

 

[Nomad40]

what kind of mirage is this


http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/Mirage-III-A3-96/Mirage_A3_96_as_PAF_596?full=1

That is a Mirage 3 with I think a Mirage 5 Recon Camera Nose

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

what kind of mirage is this


http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/Mirage-III-A3-96/Mirage_A3_96_as_PAF_596?full=1

Mirage 3EA with Australian recce. nose. Not a standard IIIR/5R nose.