Can China catch up with India in space race?

[Beast]

So many frustrated Indians that can’t accept that China is ahead of India in space achievements.

They will come up with delusion theory to ease their wounded ego.

 

[Daniel808]

Even in 2 years from now, Chinese Space Private Companies, like Landspace, i Space, Linkspace, Galactic Energy, etc will beat India in Space Race.

And they barking about beating China National Space Agency (CNSA)

 

[retaxis]

India will fracture before they ever put a man on the moon or mars. Its just facts. Free the seven sister states and kashmir!

 

[mike2000 is back]

I don't see how size is a determinant of technology? I have already stated that Saturn 5 that was used in Apollo mission was ultra large. But that does not mean they were of better technology than Long march 5. Similarly, larger rockets are not signs of better technology in any way. India does not need a rocket that carries more than 6tons and this has been said openly by ISRO chairman. So, India won't design bigger rockets that consume hundreds of thousands of tons of extra fuel

To be fair, size/payload capacity of a rocket does matter and it determines the various types of missions you can carry . Else India won't need to be paying high amount of cash to ESA to send its heavy communication satellites, since your rockets didn't have the payload capacity to send them to space, so it limits the amount and type of space missions/launches you can carry .
The size and payload of a rocket also determines the overall level of technological advancement of a space agency. If not your space agency would have stuck with PSLV and they won't have bothered to try and develop GSLV II and III. Even more so they won't have plans to develop heavier carrier rockets the size/capacity of LM3B/LM7/LM5 or even LM9(remains to be seen if your space agency really has plans for that though) in future .

Yes size does matter alot. Else even the Chinese won't be able to build their own space station or send such payloads lander to Mars or sample returns like the one they sent to the moon if they didn't develop heavy carrier rockets like Lond march 5. Even more so, they can't send Sample return mission to mars without a superheavy carrier rocket (hence the need for long march 9 or something almost equivalent to that ). Else they would have to launch 2 long march 5 rockets to achieve that.
Elon musk/NASA won't have needed to developed falcon heavy/ Starship/SLS/DELTAHEAVY etc etc These are also needed for any sort of manned moon landings or moon research stations etc

From the article:



The privately-funded Falcon Heavy (FH) is now the most powerful working booster on Earth and can lift 64 tonnes of cargo to near-Earth orbits, claims SpaceX (Space Exploration). FH, with its reusable rocket stages, dwarfs the power of NASA’s Delta IV Heavy by half at a third of its cost.

ISRO Chairman K. Sivan congratulated SpaceX on its “very great, wonderful, and innovative feat”. ISRO, too, has envisioned developing super-heavy launchers that can one day lift loads as heavy as 50 to 60 tonnes. The technology is complex. Many supporting technologies leading to it, such as the semi-cryogenic fuel-based propulsion and reusable systems, are being explored under ongoing research, he told The Hindu recently.

“A [super] heavy lift vehicle of the future is on the drawing board as part of our R&D. We are doing a lot of preliminary research leading to it. Right now, we are developing a semi-cryogenic engine, which was approved some time back. Next, we must propose [for funding approval] a full semi-cryogenic stage. A lot of work is ahead of us, in this,” Dr. Sivan said

ISRO, too, has designs on SpaceX Falcon Heavy-like 60-tonne super lift rocket

Future semicryo vehicle may carry humans to space

www.google.com

 

[leviathan]

Can China catch up with India in space race?

 

[mike2000 is back]

Even in 2 years from now, Chinese Space Private Companies, like Landspace, i Space, Linkspace, Galactic Energy, etc will beat India in Space Race.

And they barking about beating China National Space Agency (CNSA)
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I won't be surprised if in a decade from now your private space companies actually perform better than your state owned ones actually. Private companies are more daring/flexible/efficient/dynamic and more willing to risk trying new things even faster than state ones. In fact from what I red recently your private companies are actually ahead in developing reusable rockets ahead of even your state led main contractor, despite the fact that you guys opened up your space sector to private sector just a few years ago. Seems the first launch test of reusable rocket by your private space company should be the end of this year or beginning of next year. That's still faster than any plans your state Contractor has if I'm not wrong.
Quite impressive for a new private company that's not yet 6 years old actually.

Giving a level playing field/same level of resources private companies have been proven to perform better/more efficiently than state owned ones. Space X has shown this again and is even putting NASA to shame. Won't be surprise that they will be the ones leading the US in space this coming decade. NASA will be more focused on research and carrying out other space projects that private sector isn't geared towards. That itself is a big shock considering Space X launch its first rocket to space just 12 years ago and many were laughing at them and calling him crazy for his bold plans and when he experienced some launch failures in the beginning

 

[Beast]

Can China catch up with India in space race?

The Indian can dream a thousand years to try catch with the Chinese in space technology.

The narrow minded ISRO never even send a congratulations greeting to CNSA when out Tianwen-1 is such a success.

The vinegar they drink must be too sour that drunk them.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

@waz @LeGenD @krash

Looks like some lose the plot and decide to go personal with insulting remark instead of a civilised debate.

Minor advance?

China master space station complete technique from manned mission, unmanned docking. Spacewalk. To deep space exploration and lunar and mars landing. Not to mention China currently space payload is second to US only. You are kidding me so many tasks can be closed by ISRO in 7-8 years?

Ask @lonelyman to behave in a civilised manner. Else, there will be reaction to his language. I don't intend to insult Chinese as I do consider Chinese as friendly. But if @lonelyman type people use foul language, I will not simply sit around/

 

[Smarana Mitra]

To be fair, size/payload capacity of a rocket does matter and it determines the various types of missions you can carry . Else India won't need to be paying high amount of cash to ESA to send its heavy communication satellites, since your rockets didn't have the payload capacity to send them to space, so it limits the amount and type of space missions/launches you can carry .

Size matters but is not an indication of technology. Technology is about cost saving, efficiency and compactness. As I have said before, even Saturn 5 rocket could launch 140ton payload to LEO and 55ton to GEO. But that is not most advanced technology. Even the existing technology can be enhanced in size to launch a big payload. But the problem here is the cost. A rocket requires hundreds of tons of fuel and liquid oxygen which can be extremely expensive. So, we make smaller rockets that can carry heavier loads.

The size and payload of a rocket also determines the overall level of technological advancement of a space agency. If not your space agency would have stuck with PSLV and they won't have bothered to try and develop GSLV II and III. Even more so they won't have plans to develop heavier carrier rockets the size/capacity of LM3B/LM7/LM5 or even LM9(remains to be seen if your space agency really has plans for that though) in future .

India needs upto 6ton launch capability for launching communications satellite. Currently it has developed 4ton capability and will enhance it by developing a semicryogenic booster stage that will increase the load to 6tons using the same design. India does not have any intentions for developing heavier rockets. The next stage is to launch modular rockets that can be easier to build.

India has developed GSLV Mk3 only in 2017 and hence had to pay ESA to launch heavier communications satellite. India currently has limited capability to manufacture GSLV as it is still refining its technology. Hence it will use ESA launchers for sometime.

I don't deny that India is slightly behind in technology but that is only about 7-8 years and can be easily covered. It is just like China covering the gap between USA and itself quickly in the last 40 years. India too will cover the distance.

Yes size does matter alot. Else even the Chinese won't be able to build their own space station or send such payloads lander to Mars or sample returns like the one they sent to the moon if they didn't develop heavy carrier rockets like Lond march 5. Even more so, they can't send Sample return mission to mars without a superheavy carrier rocket (hence the need for long march 9 or something almost equivalent to that ). Else they would have to launch 2 long march 5 rockets to achieve that.
Elon musk/NASA won't have needed to developed falcon heavy/ Starship/SLS/DELTAHEAVY etc etc These are also needed for any sort of manned moon landings or moon research stations etc

Indian space missions are primarily aimed at defence rather than space stations or space faring. SpaceX is nothing but NASA's privatization by transferring all of NASA technology to SpaceX. Just like France has made Arianespace 5 with huge size, USA also makes huge launchers. The only problem with such approach is that tomorrow when resources get short, there will be a problem. Today they may have abundant resources but that won't last forever

I won't be surprised if in a decade from now your private space companies actually perform better than your state owned ones actually. Private companies are more daring/flexible/efficient/dynamic and more willing to risk trying new things even faster than state ones. In fact from what I red recently your private companies are actually ahead in developing reusable rockets ahead of even your state led main contractor, despite the fact that you guys opened up your space sector to private sector just a few years ago. Seems the first launch test of reusable rocket by your private space company should be the end of this year or beginning of next year. That's still faster than any plans your state Contractor has if I'm not wrong.

Private companies are just sponsored by govt. We all see how SpaceX gets its technology from NASA. Similarly, how Chinese govt funded Alibaba and now China has completely sidelined Alibaba's founder Jack Ma, showing who is the real boss

 

[huckyang]

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[Beast]

Size matters but is not an indication of technology. Technology is about cost saving, efficiency and compactness. As I have said before, even Saturn 5 rocket could launch 140ton payload to LEO and 55ton to GEO. But that is not most advanced technology. Even the existing technology can be enhanced in size to launch a big payload. But the problem here is the cost. A rocket requires hundreds of tons of fuel and liquid oxygen which can be extremely expensive. So, we make smaller rockets that can carry heavier loads.

India needs upto 6ton launch capability for launching communications satellite. Currently it has developed 4ton capability and will enhance it by developing a semicryogenic booster stage that will increase the load to 6tons using the same design. India does not have any intentions for developing heavier rockets. The next stage is to launch modular rockets that can be easier to build.

India has developed GSLV Mk3 only in 2017 and hence had to pay ESA to launch heavier communications satellite. India currently has limited capability to manufacture GSLV as it is still refining its technology. Hence it will use ESA launchers for sometime.

I don't deny that India is slightly behind in technology but that is only about 7-8 years and can be easily covered. It is just like China covering the gap between USA and itself quickly in the last 40 years. India too will cover the distance.

Indian space missions are primarily aimed at defence rather than space stations or space faring. SpaceX is nothing but NASA's privatization by transferring all of NASA technology to SpaceX. Just like France has made Arianespace 5 with huge size, USA also makes huge launchers. The only problem with such approach is that tomorrow when resources get short, there will be a problem. Today they may have abundant resources but that won't last forever


Private companies are just sponsored by govt. We all see how SpaceX gets its technology from NASA. Similarly, how Chinese govt funded Alibaba and now China has completely sidelined Alibaba's founder Jack Ma, showing who is the real boss

Full of nonsense. When India don't have the tech not capabilities. They will bring out cost or other factor to justify their backward. So India think outsource their heavy satellite can be more cost effective than building a heavy themselves? Are you saying India space technology will be more costly than ESA rocket?

Giving excuse is a typical bad behaviour of Indian. Indian shall eat the humble pie and accept to yr short coming rather than giving excuse to delude yourself. A person who never realize his mistake will never advance.

 

[samsara]

Who is making joke with this thread???

In another news....

Smearing yourself in cow dung won’t cure Covid, Indian doctors warn, as country’s seven-day case rate hits new high (May 2021)

https://www.rt.com/news/523448-india-cows-covid19-dung/

 

[Maarkhoor]

Indians are the most delusional, day dreaming, fantasy indulging cow piss believing people I ever see

even so called Indian china expert, scientists are so delusional claiming India is ahead of China in the space

no wonder constant cow piss drinking help prevent covid thing

seriously we can never catch up, but catch down India

China catch up India pants down in Space race

 

[Beast]

Who is making joke with this thread???

In another news....

Smearing yourself in cow dung won’t cure Covid, Indian doctors warn, as country’s seven-day case rate hits new high (May 2021)

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https://www.rt.com/news/523448-india-cows-covid19-dung/

We shall go to those YouTube and make our comment on them regards to this joke thread.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Private companies are just sponsored by govt. We all see how SpaceX gets its technology from NASA. Similarly, how Chinese govt funded Alibaba and now China has completely sidelined Alibaba's founder Jack Ma, showing who is the real boss

WRONG WRONG WRONG. If private companies are just government extended arms, then China will decide to have hundreds of alibabas as much as it wants. Lol same with India, India would have done the same and any other country for that matter. its not that simple or easy as you think .
In fact the US will decide to have dozens of space X tomorrow and get them then . Lol
Moreover Space X is doing things NASA /US government didn't never even did/ventured into. Reason they are now sidelining even NASA since even NASA has realised that space X does things even better and more effectively/efficiently than they do. Starship and starling are just a few of many examples.
Its ridiculous for you to say private companies are just government sponsored arms. Why can't the government just stick to doing it themselves then? Lol