Calling out the elephant in the room - TTP's origin and supporters.

[Erieye]

Adding to this do you know how Pashtun bus drivers drive in Karachi? There are almost daily accidents which we don't hear in media at all (reason because our people are too accustomed to it). I also remember reading somewhere that Pathan-Muhajir clashes started in Karachi after a raged bus driver killed a schoolgirl.

On purpose they cause accidents or just poor driving?

Ngl I'm surprised to hear about muhajir militant groups retaliating

 

[Mujahid Memon]

On purpose they cause accidents or just poor driving?

Ngl I'm surprised to hear about muhajir militant groups retaliating

What is an accident caused on purpose? Surely for them money and ego is more valuable than human lives

 

[Erieye]

What is an accident caused on purpose? Surely for them money and ego is more valuable than human lives

They have no been part of civilised organised society, it will take time

 

[Sayfullah]

Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. It was destined to be an Islamic country. People sacrificed their everything for an Islamic country to form. What happened in reality? Pakistan became a secular state in practice while just Islamic in name. What was the point of Pakistan when a Muslim in Pakistan can pray 5x a day and have masjids and, a Muslim in India can do the same? Muslims of Pakistan are oppressed by dollarkhors elites while Muslims in india are oppressed by rss. Before bjp, Muslims in india especially south india had everything a Muslim in Pakistan had in terms of religious freedom. What was the point of Pakistan if it was to be a secular country and even mess up in that?

Our state is to blame for TTP and Etho nationalists.

Pakistan has no ideology and nothing to unite its people. The concept of Pakistan does not exist if there is no Islam. The lack of Pakistan being Islamic and calling it self Islamic while allowing lgbtq to spread like wildfire in Pakistan is the reason for rise of TTP.

Pakistani states incompetence and betrayal of Iqbal’s vision for Pakistan has caused ethnic nationalist terrorism to rise and religious extremism to rise.

With lgbtq scarp fest’s in Karachi, same sex marriages legalized, masjids getting raided, corruption made halal and constant attacks on religious identity of Pakistanis, what do you think will happen? The state pushes the people towards extremism and supporting extremists.

 

[TheSolution]

Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. It was destined to be an Islamic country. People sacrificed their everything for an Islamic country to form. What happened in reality? Pakistan became a secular state in practice while just Islamic in name. What was the point of Pakistan when a Muslim in Pakistan can pray 5x a day and have masjids and, a Muslim in India can do the same? Muslims of Pakistan are oppressed by dollarkhors elites while Muslims in india are oppressed by rss. Before bjp, Muslims in india especially south india had everything a Muslim in Pakistan had in terms of religious freedom. What was the point of Pakistan if it was to be a secular country and even mess up in that?

Our state is to blame for TTP and Etho nationalists.

Pakistan has no ideology and nothing to unite its people. The concept of Pakistan does not exist if there is no Islam. The lack of Pakistan being Islamic and calling it self Islamic while allowing lgbtq to spread like wildfire in Pakistan is the reason for rise of TTP.

Pakistani states incompetence and betrayal of Iqbal’s vision for Pakistan has caused ethnic nationalist terrorism to rise and religious extremism to rise.

With lgbtq scarp fest’s in Karachi, same sex marriages legalized, masjids getting raided, corruption made halal and constant attacks on religious identity of Pakistanis, what do you think will happen? The state pushes the people towards extremism and supporting extremists.

True ngl, there's really no point of Pakistan if it isn't Islamic, you are better off being secular with India if you are pro-secularism, it makes the most sense and your national power will also be much stronger.

I already made a thread on this but from a logical perspective, it makes no sense why a secular Pakistani would not be more pro-India by nature, and in fact you'll observe they are

Given the rise of secularism in Pakistan and the unlikelihood of an Islamic system forming, it's not unthinkable that perhaps India and Pakistan could merge back into one and the far distant future.

 

[Ssan]

The thing is that, yes, the TTP is the worst militant group that we have. But in reality, don’t we have militant rebellions everywhere now? In Balochistan, BLA which is commie. I would say Karachi too at some level, before establishment made MQM their puppets probably also had some RAW connections.

Anyways, a lot of the grievances of the Pushtoons are valid. About the war on terror, blue eye boy SS telling the taliban that don’t do it in Punjab, rest is fine.

My solution:- Fix the state. Rest of this will go away if we don’t make ourselves a joke of a country, which it is right now. Also don’t play ethnic favorites.

 

[Menace2Society]

Anyways, a lot of the grievances of the Pushtoons are valid. About the war on terror, blue eye boy SS telling the taliban that don’t do it in Punjab, rest is fine.

Okay lets say there are but when is enough is enough? NATO have left, the war is over. Does this grudge last forever? Its TTP doing the attacks, what does this have to do with anyone else? These narratives come from Afghanistan.

 

[Ssan]

Okay lets say there are but when is enough is enough? NATO have left, the war is over. Does this grudge last forever? Its TTP doing the attacks, what does this have to do with anyone else? These narratives come from Afghanistan.

True- TTP is based in Afghanistan but the disillusionment is real in Pushtoons in KPK too. This feeds into ethnic movements. A portion of which may have sympathy towards other ethnic seperatist movements of which TTP is part of.

 

[Sayfullah]

True ngl, there's really no point of Pakistan if it isn't Islamic, you are better off being secular with India if you are pro-secularism, it makes the most sense and your national power will also be much stronger.

I already made a thread on this but from a logical perspective, it makes no sense why a secular Pakistani would not be more pro-India by nature, and in fact you'll observe they are

Given the rise of secularism in Pakistan and the unlikelihood of an Islamic system forming, it's not unthinkable that perhaps India and Pakistan could merge back into one and the far distant future.

If Pakistan even tries to merge back with india, that will be its death sentence. Every ghairatmand and true Muslim will fight back and carve a new Islamic country out of the two. Islam will always remain. Pakistan will remain if it’s Islamic only.

 

[AlKardai]

If Pakistan even tries to merge back with india, that will be its death sentence. Every ghairatmand and true Muslim will fight back and carve a new Islamic country out of the two. Islam will always remain. Pakistan will remain if it’s Islamic only.

We don't need a new state. We need this one to be fixed.
And that requires the entire system to be reduced to a Meritocracy firstly, so that the right people get to the top jobs that they deserve, and that they are truly qualified for it.

The idea of Pakistan is one of moderate Islam. One that governs by the leadership of Islam and the laws of Islam, whilst at the same time making provision for changes in the world and allowing society to be free under true democratic rule.

That ideology has truly been lost.
Whether it can be regained, is highly debatable.

But is Allah not the one who can give life to something, after it has been dead for so long?
Our hope should never die, even if it may seem that the state has.

 

[S.Y.A]

Given the rise of secularism in Pakistan and the unlikelihood of an Islamic system forming, it's not unthinkable that perhaps India and Pakistan could merge back into one and the far distant future.

there will be no merger. pakistan is another yugoslavia waiting to happen. india will take-over parts of punjab, kashmir and GB but that is that. they are not idiots that they will add 240 million muslims to their country.

 

[TheSolution]

there will be no merger. pakistan is another yugoslavia waiting to happen. india will take-over parts of punjab, kashmir and GB but that is that. they are not idiots that they will add 240 million muslims to their country.

Why would they take over Punjab, Kashmir and GB, but leave out the other territories?

Those first you mentioned have the largest populations already, why miss out the rest then, especially given the resources in Balochistan and the deep water port Gwadar, Sindh has Karachi...

 

[PakAlp]

Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. It was destined to be an Islamic country. People sacrificed their everything for an Islamic country to form. What happened in reality? Pakistan became a secular state in practice while just Islamic in name. What was the point of Pakistan when a Muslim in Pakistan can pray 5x a day and have masjids and, a Muslim in India can do the same? Muslims of Pakistan are oppressed by dollarkhors elites while Muslims in india are oppressed by rss. Before bjp, Muslims in india especially south india had everything a Muslim in Pakistan had in terms of religious freedom. What was the point of Pakistan if it was to be a secular country and even mess up in that?

Our state is to blame for TTP and Etho nationalists.

Pakistan has no ideology and nothing to unite its people. The concept of Pakistan does not exist if there is no Islam. The lack of Pakistan being Islamic and calling it self Islamic while allowing lgbtq to spread like wildfire in Pakistan is the reason for rise of TTP.

Pakistani states incompetence and betrayal of Iqbal’s vision for Pakistan has caused ethnic nationalist terrorism to rise and religious extremism to rise.

With lgbtq scarp fest’s in Karachi, same sex marriages legalized, masjids getting raided, corruption made halal and constant attacks on religious identity of Pakistanis, what do you think will happen? The state pushes the people towards extremism and supporting extremists.

This betrayal is done by the ruling elite including generals, judges, beuracrats, politicians, businessmen, industrials. They all love the extreme secular western way of life. Pakistan like you mentioned is an Islamic state where the Islamic ideology should have been promoted, Allama Iqbal mentions all this but our leaders started to promote extremist terrorist ideology due to receiving money and that has backfired, they also in 2022 started to promote extremist secular ideology again due to funds.

They have no clue what they're doing, they are careless, traitors, take bribery, are corrupt, they have betrayed Islam, Pakistan, constitution, Allama Iqbal and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the rulers have no right to be in the assemblies, they are illegitimate.

 

[Sayfullah]

We don't need a new state. We need this one to be fixed.
And that requires the entire system to be reduced to a Meritocracy firstly, so that the right people get to the top jobs that they deserve, and that they are truly qualified for it.

The idea of Pakistan is one of moderate Islam. One that governs by the leadership of Islam and the laws of Islam, whilst at the same time making provision for changes in the world and allowing society to be free under true democratic rule.

That ideology has truly been lost.
Whether it can be regained, is highly debatable.

But is Allah not the one who can give life to something, after it has been dead for so long?
Our hope should never die, even if it may seem that the state has.

We pray Pakistan becomes an Islamic country and will try our best for it to become one. But if the treacherous elite try merging Pakistan back into India or completely go against Islam openly, then they shouldn’t complain if Muslims of Pakistan are forced to carve an independent Islamic country to protect Islamic values and Muslims in Pakistan. Pakistan’s existence isn’t a must but our Islamic identity’s existence is a must. If all options have been exhausted then further action that may not be in Pakistani states interest might be taken.
Islam is only one. There is no such thing as “moderate Islam”. Islam is the same Islam the prophet Rasulallah (ﷺ) followed and the Sahaba’s followed. The same Islamic system which was implemented by the Rashidun Caliphate is the Islamic system we want. As for the current world, if Islam doesn’t disallow it, there is no problem with it. Islam allows us to progress and create new tech.
Allah is the one who gives life to anyone and anything even if it’s dead. That is correct. However if Pakistan tries merging back with india then Muslims of Pakistan are Islamically allowed to appose it. If force is needed to save Muslim land from kaffir occupation then so be it.

 

[AlKardai]

We pray Pakistan becomes an Islamic country and will try our best for it to become one. But if the treacherous elite try merging Pakistan back into India or completely go against Islam openly, then they shouldn’t complain if Muslims of Pakistan are forced to carve an independent Islamic country to protect Islamic values and Muslims in Pakistan. Pakistan’s existence isn’t a must but our Islamic identity’s existence is a must. If all options have been exhausted then further action that may not be in Pakistani states interest might be taken.

I agree.

Islam is only one. There is no such thing as “moderate Islam”. Islam is the same Islam the prophet Rasulallah (ﷺ) followed and the Sahaba’s followed. The same Islamic system which was implemented by the Rashidun Caliphate is the Islamic system we want. As for the current world, if Islam doesn’t disallow it, there is no problem with it. Islam allows us to progress and create new tech.
Allah is the one who gives life to anyone and anything even if it’s dead. That is correct. However if Pakistan tries merging back with india then Muslims of Pakistan are Islamically allowed to appose it. If force is needed to save Muslim land from kaffir occupation then so be it.

I'll have to disagree a bit here. The islam preached by the talibs and hardliners within Afghanistan is not the true face of Islam, contrary to what people believe. True islam is no doubt, more moderate than what the Afghans preach