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Gen (R) Tariq Khan's analysis on the TTP and national government + security!

Plz listen to him again and he definitely said Defence or Frontier regions minister.
17:28

"Minister of defence, or interior I think, one of the two"

Doesn't even say the word "regions" just give up bro 😂

Layout your credentials against his and we will see who opinion should be given more weightage. He has multiple decades of active military service and a formal military education to make this conclusion whereas your qualification to criticise his is taking 5 mins to make a pdf account.
He is a TTP supporter, just go through his history he proposed accepting TTP demands.
 
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You're thinking through the thought process of civilised folk using logic

These are extremely tribal people willing to die on their egotistical hill and take their people with them. It's as simple as that. Also the TTP can be seen like their cousins, even if they disagree with their actions, they cannot strongly clamp down on them aggressively. They have intermarriages and family connections, tribal connections which they don't want to violate.
So the Afghan's are not big on gratitude? Looks like I have been misinformed by the National Public Radio's narration of Three Cups of Tea that claims:
"The first time you share tea with a Balti, you are a stranger. The second time you take tea, you are an honored guest. The third time you share a cup of tea, you become family..."
 
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So the Afghan's are not big on gratitude? Looks like I have been misinformed by the National Public Radio's narration of Three Cups of Tea that claims:
"The first time you share tea with a Balti, you are a stranger. The second time you take tea, you are an honored guest. The third time you share a cup of tea, you become family..."
Balti are not Afghans
 
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Very interesting video, if you have the time do watch, an intelligent pragmatic thinker who has on ground experience and led the battle against the TTP himself. He hails from the tribal district of Tank, KP.

I will write a summary of his points below as it's a long video!


One of his main quotes in the video which was interesting: - “It is not that Pakistan is suffering from militancy, insurgency, violence or extremism alone – it is suffering from everything, it is suffering from energy shortage, it is suffering from a collapsing economy, it is suffering because it has no government! There is simply no government, nobody is sitting down a deciding a clear-cut policy, and those who try to, don’t learn from the past(have a poor understanding)!”

It is clear the leadership is clearly inept and incompetent! Previous areas that were stabilised and being controlled, were again reversed into high risk zones simply due to horrible policy by the government. People who have no understanding of their field are being made to create policy of things they have no knowledge on, creating a recurring crisis in every domain!

The main points to take from the video:

- The resurgence of the TTP was not expected, it could have been averted – it was a product of bad understanding, poor planning, and poor policies! (He later indirectly hints the blame at Bajwa and the top leadership IK included!)

- Strictly against “forgiveness”, “peace” or “settlements” with the TTP – He says we are in a position of strength after defeating them, and as the state we should accept nothing less than an explicit surrender!

- TTP was supported by NDS, CIA and RAW – there is evidence of many equipment captured that was Indian manufactured. India has supported numerous terrorist activities in Pakistan, but we failed to build a strong case or narrative around it, unlike how the Indians.

- The difference between the TTP and Afg Taliban – the TTP is a criminal organisation that generated revenue by controlling spaces in the tribal areas and extracting funds/extortions! The Afghan Taliban is a political organisation, their main drive was against American intervention in Afghanistan. They originally started as students in Saudi funded madrassas.

(However they were closely affiliated, even if not in agreement at times, due to both sides being Pashtoons with interconnected families and political marriages! These affiliations are from the time of the Soviet Union jihad, many families had marriages and became connected further when Pashtuns from Afghanistan settled in Pakistan!)

-The Afg Taliban should not be allowed to support the TTP.

-Afghanistan had imprisoned TTP members and wanted to help Pakistan negotiate a settlement with TTP, Gen Tariq was against this as “Afghanistan is nothing to negotiate a settlement” and these groups are criminals who have done a lot of damage. So they should be handed over unconditionally.

(There were somewhere around 40 thousand total including their family members.)

- Extremely critical of Gen Bajwa – calls his actions as unnecessary self-inflicted wounds, with how he dealt with the Afghan Taliban ‘blackmail’ using TTP.

-Supports Imran Khan and would give his vote but is very critical of his security policy and foreign policy. Claims that Imran Khan was trying to indirectly support the TTP in a very skewed understand of the real situation!

- His solution to the problem was holding a Jirga with all 7 tribal agencies – the TTP members from Afghanistan appear unarmed before the Jirga leaders.

Any they must accept 4 conditions:

- You listen to the leaders of the Jirga and what they say.
- You accept the constitution of Pakistan.
- Agree to live as law abiding citizens.
- This is an explicit surrender, not a settlement.


This is what Gen (R) Tariq Khan believes was the solution that Faiz Hameed, Bajwa and Imran Khan should have went for!

- He is very critical of General Faiz Hammed, “wrong choice for DG ISI and corps commander” and “didn’t know what he was dealing with”, and a “very very average person”

- LOL, they allowed TTP militants to come back into the tribal areas WITH their weapons, and the TTP’s excuse was “we killed a lot of people and family in the tribal areas so we need our weapons for protection” lmfao, this has to be a joke.

(General’s words, whoever gave the instructions at the border to allow them back in from Bajaur and adjacent areas, into Swat “is a criminal”!)

-The TTP’s demands can never be accepted.

- The government made statements of striking inside Afghanistan territory to safeguard national security but then backtracked and said they didn’t say anything a few days later! Gen Tariq Khan argues if you are going to make such statements you should do it, using intelligence assets and drones!

- America was never defeated in Afghanistan. They won every single tactical battle, the withdrawal was a political withdrawal. It was a political defeat.

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He also said that ttp and tta or two different things..
there Is a small overlap near the bordering regions.. doesn't mean we perceive them the same way.
Well agree with 100% if only Generals like him where in charge instead of going overseas to serve others COUGH COUGH*** RAHEEL SHARIFF
He is the CEO of fauji fertilizers.
He served in Pakistan after retirement.
Raheel shareef only has his job in KSA. But he lives in pindi .
 
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He also said that ttp and tta or two different things..
there Is a small overlap near the bordering regions.. doesn't mean we perceive them the same way.
What do you mean?

He also clearly mentions that as Pashtoons they have tribal and family affiliations due to political marriages, hence the reluctancy to actually tackle them or the unwillingness

Pashtuns/tribals care less about Islam tbh its more about Pashtunwali - the real long term solution here is education, it's the only real way to take them out of the tribal lifestyle- quality education involving STEM that also covers the Pakistani narrative, history and national identity.

There should be trips for schools around Pakistan too where they visit other cities in the country like Karachi, Islamabad, Lahore etc, just more developed areas. And also a national festival with sports should be held in Islamabad.

This will psychologically help a lot to prevent creating a militant.
 
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He is the CEO of fauji fertilizers.
He served in Pakistan after retirement.
Raheem shareef only has his job in KSA. But he lives in pindi .
Unpopular opinion but I don't really mind fauji businesses, it generates national wealth, industry, job opportunities

But it should be somewhat free market and let people freely compete

Honestly this sort of stuff is the least of our worries.
 
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Watch the interview at below link: (Watch from 22:36 if you cannot see full.)



Here is the main crux / summary of the interview:

Gen Tariq Khan, who lead Pakistan strike Corp at Mangla and also headed Frontier Corp. He crushed TTP in Bajaur and other parts during his times. He has done major offensives on TTP, he is a pashtun, knows tribal areas & KP and knows TTP more than anybody else.

Gen Tariq brings out a charge sheet on Top military leadership:

Gen Tariq says, he could not understand and believe that military leadership could not start an offensive against TTP all these years and TTP still keeps killing our people and keeps creating instability. Gen Tariq Says, he spoke with military leadership at various occassions and found their arguments as very "dicey" basically they had no arguments, and I am unable to understand why they give so much space to TTP. Gen Tariq also said that Gen Faiz was a very very average person and he could only carried out his cheap popularity by going around Kabul and having a cup of tea.

The most important fact that Gen.Tariq told that it was very stupid move to allow TTP come inside into Swat with their weapons. He further said, that he knows the only way to reach Swat is through areas of Dir, Mohmand and Bajaur and those areas are very well manned. So basically military allowed them to come into swat. He says, there is no way TTP can sneak into swat all of a sudden, all the areas leading to swat are properly manned by military.

Gen.Tariq gives a solution for TTP. That's to use our intelligence agencies and drones. Find their sanctuaries in Afghanistan and hit them. He says, if they can come and kill our people, they can keep on creating instability then why we cannot go and hit TTP hideouts.
 
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His whole contention is that a decision was made, which shouldn't have been to allow the TTP back in. Guess when this decision was made? During PTIs rule when people (IK and Gen Bajwa) were on the same page.

Don't put this on the army only. Assign responsibility to the collective operating then. I agree that perhaps advice from PTI's (then) blue-eyed boy Lt Gen Faiz Hamid may have ill-advised the government as per Lt Gen TK, but the decision to rehabilitate TTP was taken by the sitting government and this is also why IK just recently elaborated upon it.
 
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He did not say any such thing. His whole contention is that a decision was made, which shouldn't have been to allow the TTP back in. Guess when this decision was made? During PTIs rule when people (IK and Gen Bajwa) were on the same page.

Don't put this on the army only. Take ownership!

But it got momentum only after when I.k got ousted ------
 
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But it got momentum only after when I.k got ousted ------
I don't know when it got momentum but Gen TK mentions that TTP were moving families and assets back into our areas in the recent past.

Either way, this should not have happened. They should have been blocked, made to surrender and accept Pakistan's constitution and failing that, destroyed.
 
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There is already a thread open on this

 
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Every ill in Pakistan is due to its army .
Anything that goes wrong is due to the army .
Without the army Pakistan wouldn’t be in such a mess it is now as a laughing stock of the subcontinent.

I wouldn’t trust them to organise a piss up in a brewery never mind letting them defend the country of Pakistan .

They’ve let these terrorists in to quash the Pakhtuns who supported PTI.

People say it’s not all the army just the generals who are compromised but I’d say every member of the Pakistani army has been programmed and compromised that they all are in cahoots .
 
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Don't put this on the army only

Those days are over when military could hide behind civil govt for its wrong decisions. Pakistan is a country where even your foreign policy is derived by GHQ. Its unthinkable to suggest that civil govt can dictate GHQ on security policy or any matter but especially on security no one can order COAS. It was 100% military decision (GHQ decision) to allow TTP. There's no concept in GHQ for listening to civil govt in security matters.

It's hilarious to even think that IK could order Gen Bajwa and he would follow through to the ladder. Don't you think its ridiculous to even think like that. Now, its found out that he wasn't listening to IK on anything, whether its NAB or corruptions of oppn parties or anything.... But he was taking dictation on security policy from IK lol ??? If that's the case, then COAS should be given civil govt and PM should head the Army from now onwards. As its completely opposite happening in the country. COAS doing everything which he should not do. and he is not doing the only thing which he should do.

Its a globally accepted fact now that Pakistan military controls everything and do what it likes. Its more then evident now with recent events from last year.
 
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