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Bulgarian Mig 29's pilot talks about going against USAF F-16 Block 50

Looks like EF2000 to me.

Anyway, German F4 against anything else is a share joke. It is a flying brick. Anyone knows that.

You Sir are mistaken

the Greek Air Force peace icarus F4 upgrade has created a plane that can can carry an enormous amount of AiM120s (10) and has the APG-65GY radar, new mission computers and IFF and jamming systems.

That plane can pick out most gen 3 and 4 planes from a very respectable distance .. the way it flies has nothing to do with what it can shoot down .. oh and the Phantom was never a flying brick ...

check it out ..

YouTube - Greek F4 Flight

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after reading posts, i think MIG 35 is designed to fight f 16 block 56 and higher versions.
long live MIG 29! the conquerer of f 16! :toast_sign:


Amendola Air Base, Italy - Four F-16AMs of the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) were among the first NATO aircraft to enter Serbian airspace on the night of 24 March. Within minutes, the Dutch had achieved their first air-to-air victory since World War II, shooting down a Serbian MiG-29
Link: Operation Allied Force - How Dutch F-16AMs shot down a Mig-29

And this:
"At 19.30hr local time four F-16AMs took off from here for a fighter escort mission to protect one of the first NATO strike packages. After an in-flight refuelling over the Adriatic Sea, the flight crossed over Albania into Serbia. Upon entering Serbian airspace, they were informed by AWACS that three MiG-29 aircraft had taken off from an air base near Belgrade," Col Abma said.

That base is understood to have been Batajnica, home of the Yugoslav Air Force's only MiG-29 unit, the 127th Fighter Aviation Squadron 'Knights'. Col Abma said: "The four F-16AMs headed out toward the threat, working to detect the MiGs on their own radars. Subsequently, one of the MiGs was picked up by all four F-16s. When within range, our flight leader fired one AMRAAM against the MiG. It was an instant hit, after a flight of 30 seconds."
Link:How Dutch F-16AMs shot down a Mig-29

never has a mig-29 ever shot down a F-16 but F-16 has shot down a mig-29!!:D

so much for the mig-29 being the "conqueror of the f-16":lol:
 
but in history Mig 29 lost more jets against F 16 and if F 16 is that bad than why it has more sell rate than russian Mig 29 and who ever bought Mig 29 dont have choice to buy american equipments for example few european countries even germans are not happy and taking out mig 29 it is too heavy lacks manuverability and technology
 
@Silent Ninja:
The incidents that you have posted prove the traditional strenght of the F-16 over Soviet designs,viz., BVR capabilty.

If you read the scan that was posted, the Bulgarian ace says that his superiority over the F-16 is contingent on surviving the 'first exchange of missiles and then entering a high-G turning dogfight'.

One other thought, and I could very well be wrong about this:
The best Soviet designs were not sold outside USSR. So there was a difference between the Russian Mig 29 and the Serbian. But the F16's were pretty much the same advanced version throughout NATO.
Now ironically, things are different. The most advanced Mig 29 is Indian Navy operated and the most advanced F-16's are UAE and Israeli operated.

I believe that things will be very even if the IAF 's Baaz went against the PAF's Shaheens! Though I hope that does not come to that.
 
@Silent Ninja:
The incidents that you have posted prove the traditional strenght of the F-16 over Soviet designs,viz., BVR capabilty.

doesn't really matter because the F-16 exploited the migs weakness and used its capability to shoot down the "f-16 killer".

If you read the scan that was posted, the Bulgarian ace says that


ace??? did he shoot down more than 5 enemy aircraft? if so then from which country??

his superiority over the F-16 is contingent on surviving the 'first exchange of missiles and then entering a high-G turning dogfight'.

then the mig has done pretty bad in surviving the "first exchange of missiles". not once has a mig-29 shot down any American aircraft let alone shoot down the f-16 (the aircraft it was meant to counter).



One other thought, and I could very well be wrong about this:
The best Soviet designs were not sold outside USSR. So there was a difference between the Russian Mig 29 and the Serbian. But the F16's were pretty much the same advanced version throughout NATO.

not really, Americans always kept the goodies for themselves however that doesn't mean the f-16's of nato weren't capable!

Now ironically, things are different. The most advanced Mig 29 is Indian Navy operated and the most advanced F-16's are UAE and Israeli operated.

as far as i know india doesn't operate the "advance" mig-29's, if so then what variant and provide source?

also when will the first advance mig-29 squadron be operational in iaf?
 
@CardSharp :
Wow , how brilliant of you to find a video which has been posted here and in other forums only 6.76 million times!!! Kudos to you!
Of course you forgot to mention the connection between these videos and the Bulgarian Mig 29 article........

@Silent Ninja:
Firstly, you are right, the pilot never shot anyone in battle. I used the term'ace' as an adjective, dont take it literally!

About the Mig 29K, I clearly mentioned that it is operated by the Indian NAVY. Google this for more details and photos.

Feel free to post details about how the USAF F16s were superior to Nato models.

My post was very reasonable and I have said that the F16's initial missile launches is very devastating.

I clearly quoted the key factors for the Mig's sucess as stated by the pilot. You and I don't know better than an actual pilot, right? If it has been my opinion, then feel free to argue. But in case you wish to take that argumentative tone, and say you know better than the Bulgarian pilot, then ok. I am not here to educate anyone.
 
@CardSharp :
Wow , how brilliant of you to find a video which has been posted here and in other forums only 6.76 million times!!! Kudos to you!
Of course you forgot to mention the connection between these videos and the Bulgarian Mig 29 article........

@Silent Ninja:
Firstly, you are right, the pilot never shot anyone in battle. I used the term'ace' as an adjective, dont take it literally!

About the Mig 29K, I clearly mentioned that it is operated by the Indian NAVY. Google this for more details and photos.

Feel free to post details about how the USAF F16s were superior to Nato models.

My post was very reasonable and I have said that the F16's initial missile launches is very devastating.

I clearly quoted the key factors for the Mig's sucess as stated by the pilot. You and I don't know better than an actual pilot, right? If it has been my opinion, then feel free to argue. But in case you wish to take that argumentative tone, and say you know better than the Bulgarian pilot, then ok. I am not here to educate anyone.

not saying that I know more than the pilot but I have read about Experiences of USAF pilots who flew east German mig-29's.

Unfortunately I'm unable to post any links right now because I'm using mobile device.
 
@CardSharp :
Wow , how brilliant of you to find a video which has been posted here and in other forums only 6.76 million times!!! Kudos to you!
Always a laugh though because he specifically calls Indian pilots chest thumpers.
 
Always a laugh though because he specifically calls Indian pilots chest thumpers.

American english had a more sticky sound to it compared to how NZ and Australians speak, there a bit of speaking through the nose. It actually requires a bit more effort to listen to them.
 
Thats right, skill, training and tactics matter.

It was Rafale, great pilot but not so good at drawing.

Indeed; tactics, skills and strategy matter a lot, this is what many fanboys forget.

Regarding Rafale, i agree with what you are saying. I remember talking to a PAF pilot in early 2010, i was discussing with him the exercise PAF held with the French. Charles DeGaulle was deployed in the Indian ocean, PAF deployed F16's at the Masroor Air Base in Karachi to practice maneuvers with the Rafale. Although the Pilot did not go in details for obvious reasons, he did say that PAF was not impressed as the F16's out bested the Rafale's in mock fights.
 
not saying that I know more than the pilot but I have read about Experiences of USAF pilots who flew east German mig-29's.

Unfortunately I'm unable to post any links right now because I'm using mobile device.

You might be referring to this old article. Note that this was written in the early 90's and I am guessing that the shortfalls that the author refers to have been remedied, and that the F-16 also has the HMS now. I don't know if the new PAF Vipers have them too. Everything that follows below is from the following website:
Interesting MiG-29 info from a Luftwaffe Pilot


If anyone is qualified to compare MiG-29 to Western fighter aircraft it would be Johann Koeck. I organized his evaluations of the aircraft's performance - everything from dogfighting to maintainability - into two categories: flaws and advantages. It is rather important to keep in mind that Germany operates some of the earliest models of MiG-29 - not even the baseline Fulcrum-A but downgraded versions of the MiG-29s employed by Soviet air forces. The MiG-29 was upgraded at least six times during the past decade, as you might have noticed from the title page, and today's MiG-29s are far superior to the ones operated by Luftwaffe. I should also mention that Mikoyan OKB designers concentrated their work on all of the problems established by NATO's evaluation of MiG-29. Strange as it may sound, NATO proved to be of invaluable assistance to MiG in designing such latest variants of Fulcrum as MiG-29SMT.
"The East German JG3 took delivery of its first MiG-29 in 1988, and by 4 October 1990 had 24 on strength, equipping two squadrons. A follow-on batch were on order, but were never delivered. With the re-unification JG3 became Evaluation Wing 29 on 1 April 1991. On 25 July 1991 the decision was taken to keep the aircraft and integrate them into the NATO air defence structure. JG73 was activated in June 1993, and the MiG-29s assumed a National (Day Only) QRA(l) commitment over the former East Germany. The MiG-29s moved to Laage in December 1993 and on 1 February 1994 the unit gained a NATO QRA(l) commitment. The two aircraft on QRA were assigned to NATO, while the rest were assigned to national tasking. All will be NATO assigned when the F-4s move to Laage to complete the wing."



Negatives

"The employment of the MiG-29 suffers from severe inherent constraints. The most obvious limitation is the aircraft?s limited internal fuel capacity of 3500-kg (4400 kg with a centreline tank). We have no air-to-air refuelling capability, and our external tank is both speed and manoeuvre limited. We also have only a limited number of tanks.

"But if we start a mission with 4400-kg of fuel, start-up, taxy and take off takes 400-kg, we need to allow 1000-kg for diversion to an alternate airfield 50-nm away, and 500-kg for the engagement, including one minute in afterburner. That leaves 2500-kg. If we need 15 minutes on station at 420 kts that requires another 1000-kg, leaving 1500-kg for transit. At FL200 (20,000 ft) that gives us a radius of 150-nm, and at FL100 (10,000 ft) we have a radius of only 100-nm.

"Our navigation system is unreliable without TACAN updates and is not very accurate (I?d prefer to call it an estimation system). It relies on triangulation from three TACAN stations, and if you lose one, you effectively lose the system. We can only enter three fixed waypoints, which is inadequate. We also can?t display our ?Bullseye? (known navigation datum, selected randomly for security). For communications we have only one VHF/UHF radio.

"The radar is at least a generation behind the AN/APG-65, and is not line-repairable. If we have a radar problem, the aircraft goes back into the hangar. The radar has a poor display, giving poor situational awareness, and this is compounded by the cockpit ergonomics. The radar has reliability problems and lookdown/shootdown problems. There is poor discrimination between targets flying in formation, and we can?t lock onto the target in trail, only onto the lead. We have only the most limited autonomous operating capability.

"We don?t have the range to conduct HVAA attack missions - and we?re effectively limited from crossing the FLOT (Front Line of Own Troops). Our limited station time and lack of air-to-air refuelling capability effectively rules us out of meaningful air defence missions. Nor are we suited to the sweep escort role. We have a very limited range, especially at high speed and low altitudes, and are limited to 540-kt with external fuel. We have navigation problems, Bullseye control is very difficult and we have only one radio. So if I talk, I ?trash? the package?s radios!

"The only possible missions for NATO?s MiG-29s are as adversary threat aircraft for air combat training, for point defence, and as wing (not lead!) in Mixed Fighter Force Operations. But even then I would still consider the onboard systems too limited, especially the radar, the radar warning receiver, and the navigation system as well as the lack of fuel. These drive the problems we face in tactical scenarios. We suffer from poor presentation of the radar information (which leads to poor situational awareness and identification problems), short BVR weapons range, a bad navigation system and short on- station times."


Positives

"But when all that is said and done, the MiG-29 is a superb fighter for close-in combat, even compared with aircraft like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18. This is due to the aircraft?s superb aerodynamics and helmet mounted sight. Inside ten nautical miles I?m hard to defeat, and with the IRST, helmet sight and ?Archer? I can?t be beaten. Period. Even against the latest Block 50 F-16s the MiG-29 is virtually invulnerable in the close-in scenario. On one occasion I remember the F-16s did score some kills eventually, but only after taking 18 ?Archers?. We didn?t operate kill removal (forcing ?killed? aircraft to leave the fight) since they?d have got no training value, we killed them too quickly. (Just as we might seldom have got close-in if they used their AMRAAMs BVR!) They couldn?t believe it at the debrief, they got up and left the room!

"They might not like it, but with a 28deg/sec instantaneous turn rate (compared to the Block 50 F-16's 26deg) we can out-turn them. Our stable, manually controlled airplane can out-turn their FBW aircraft. But the real edge we have is the ?Archer? which can reliably lock on to targets 45deg off-boresight.

"I should stress that I?m talking about our Luftwaffe MiG-29s, which are early aircraft. They also removed the Laszlo data link and the SRO IFF before the aircraft were handed over to us, so in some respects we?re less capable than other contemporary MiG-29s. From what we hear the latest variants are almost a different aircraft. I?d like to see our aircraft get some of the updates being offered by MiG-MAPO. The more powerful engines, better radar, a new navigation system, a data link and an inflight refuelling probe. If we got the new ?Alamo-C? that would also be an improvement - even a two nautical mile boost in range is still ten more seconds to shoot someone else! We won?t get many of those improvements, though we are getting a new IFF manually selectable radio channels, and improvements to the navigation system, including the integration of GPS. Most of our aircraft will be able to carry two underwing fuel tanks, which will also help."

from At the Controls: MiG-29, by Jon Lake
 
not saying that I know more than the pilot but I have read about Experiences of USAF pilots who flew east German mig-29's.

Unfortunately I'm unable to post any links right now because I'm using mobile device.

Germen Mig-29s was not the upgraded models against which USAF fought against. Migs have a slight advantage over F-16 in short to medium term battles as specified by F-16 pilots. But overall, f-16 is user friendly, easy to handle and a pilot's air craft. It is more versatile than MIGs. But the new Mig-29s are in the same leguage.
 

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