Breaking news: AirAsia plane missing with 162 passengers!

[cnleio]

Malaysia & Indonesia Airforce should import some KJ-200 or ZDK-03 AWACS from China to protect sky & airlines, such "accident" won't stop coz the dirty operation still going on.

 

[Screambowl]

Not only is it hard, but very very hard. Simply put, there is no way to know HOW an aircraft will enter the water surface. To date, the most survivable water landing is the 'belly landing', see US Airways 1549, aka 'Miracle On The Hudson'. Any other entry will end in catastrophe.

Someday we will be able to train for all types of crash landings via really good simulators, but for now, how an aircraft land outside of its normal physical configuration and environment completely depends on the training, experience, and mental state of the pilot(s) at the time of the emergency.

we can add airbags in the belly which can and other parts of the aircraft.. more over adding a parachute is feasible

 

[Trawllu]

Is he crazy or what?

https://twitter.com/x/status/549116637358858240

no i guess he is pakistani

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Hope everyone is ok!

 

[JSCh]

detikNews : KNKT: Rumor Adanya Serpihan AirAsia QZ8501 Tak Benar

KNKT: Rumor Adanya Serpihan AirAsia QZ8501 Tak Benar
Minggu, 28/12/2014 17:32 WIB
Taufan Noor Ismailian - detikNews

Jakarta - Komite Nasional Keselamatan Transportasi (KNKT) menegaskan sampai saat ini upaya pencarian pesawat AirAsia QZ8501‎ yang hilang di antara Tanjung Pandan dan Pontianak masih terus dilakukan. KNKT membantah adanya isu temuan serpihan pesawat Airbus A320-200 tersebut.

"Sampai sekarang pesawat itu belum diketemukan, jatuhnya atau bagaimana emergensinya, itu belum ditemukan," ujar Ketua KNKT Tatang Kurniadi dalam konferensi pers di Bandara Soekarno-Hatta, Cengkareng, Minggu (28/12/2014) pukul 17.30 WIB.

Tatang menampik rumor yang menyebut penemuan serpihan pesawat yang hilang kontak dalam perjalanan dari Surabaya ke Singapura tersebut. Tim sampai saat ini masih terus melakukan pencarian.

"Saya mendengar berbagai rumor bahwa pesawat ditemukan serpihannya, itu tidak benar. Kami sudah membentuk tim dengan Basarnas di lapangan untuk memberikan fakta jika pesawat tersebut ditemukan. Sampai sekarang kami masih terus mencarinya," kata Tatang.

"Proses hilangnya pesawat ini sudah menjadi perhatian internasional dan juga regional. Mari kita sama-sama berdoa untuk mendapatkan mukjizat Allah SWT mudah-mudahan ini musibah yang bisa menghasilkan sesuatu yang menggembirakan dan bukan sebaliknya," pungkasnya.

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Google Translate:
NTSC: Rumors existence AirAsia Flakes QZ8501 Not True
Typhoon Noor Ismailian

Jakarta - The National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC) confirmed today the search for the missing aircraft AirAsia QZ8501 between Tanjung Pandan and Pontianak is still underway. NTSC denied the issue of finding the pieces of the Airbus A320-200.

"Until now the plane was not found, fall or how emergensinya, it has not been found," said Chairman of the NTSC Tatang Kurniadi in a press conference at the Soekarno-Hatta, Sunday (12/28/2014) 17.30 pm.

Tatang dismissed rumors that mention the missing plane debris discovery contact in the course of the Surabaya to Singapore. The team is still continue to search.

"I heard rumors that the plane was found fragments, it is not true. We have formed a team with national SAR agency in the field to give the facts if the plane is found. Until now we are still looking for it," said Tatang.

"The process of the loss of this aircraft has become international and regional concern. Let us together pray for miracles Allah hopefully this calamity that could produce something that is uplifting and not vice versa," he concluded.

 

[Green Arrow]

Oh God. Not again, hope all passengers remain safe and plan recover safely

 

[JSCh]

FYI, KNKT is Indonesian version of NTSC.

KNKT: The reason why we can't accept foreign help is because 1) We still haven't able to confirm the plane location 2) Effeciency, we still want to rely on our own sources

 

[PakGuns]

Not only is it hard, but very very hard. Simply put, there is no way to know HOW an aircraft will enter the water surface. To date, the most survivable water landing is the 'belly landing', see US Airways 1549, aka 'Miracle On The Hudson'. Any other entry will end in catastrophe.

Someday we will be able to train for all types of crash landings via really good simulators, but for now, how an aircraft land outside of its normal physical configuration and environment completely depends on the training, experience, and mental state of the pilot(s) at the time of the emergency.

Sir, can't these aircraft glide thus keeping the plane intact resulting in belly landing in waters? in case of some system or engine failure! BtW a very sad incident and worst year overall...

 

[A.Rafay]

Weather seems to be bad around this region. Hope all passengers are safe.

 

[JSCh]

Minggu, 28/12/2014 18:08 WIB
detikNews : Hari Mulai Gelap, Kapal dan Pesawat Pencari QZ8501 Kembali ke Pangkalan
Hardani Triyoga - detikNews

Jakarta - Kapal-kapal milik TNI AL dan pesawat TNI AU serta sejumlah kapal lain dikerahkan untuk melakukan pencarian AirAsia AZ8501 yang hilang. Namun karena hari sudah mulai gelap, kapal dan pesawat ini dipulangkan kembali ke pangkalan.

"Karena hari sudah gelap, semua kembali ke pangkalan," ujar Wapres Jusuf Kalla dalam konferensi pers di kantor Basarnas, Jl Angkasa, Kemayoran, Jakpus, Minggu (28/12/2014).

JK mengatakan, seluruh kapal TNI AL yang berada di sekitar Batam dikerahkan untuk melakukan pencarian pada hari ini. Untuk pencarian besok Senin, jumlah kapal pencari akan ditambah untuk memperluas area pencarian.
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Google Translate:

Sunday, 28/12/2014 18:08 pm
Dark Beginning Day, Ships and Aircraft Locator QZ8501 Return to Base
Hardani Triyoga

Jakarta - Vessels belonging to the Navy and Air Force aircraft as well as a number of other ships deployed to conduct a search AirAsia lost AZ8501. But because it was already dark, ships and aircraft is sent back to the base.

"Because it was dark, all the back to the base," said Vice President Jusuf Kalla told a news conference at the office national SAR agency, Jl Angkasa, Kemayoran, Central Jakarta, Sunday (12/28/2014).

JK said, all Navy ships that were around Batam deployed to conduct a search on this day. To search tomorrow Monday, the number of boats will be added to expand the search area.

 

[Indos]

Going too high to hinder a storm making a plane entered icy sky that can broke engine and avionic. The most reasonable cause that we can have Today.

And if it is true that Air Asia management in the earlier hours refused to admit that his plan was missing that causes late rescue operation, in my opinion it should be reviewed whether it is a criminal act or not.

Furthermore, with what happen in Pakistan recently, Syria, and Today Air Asia missing, I am not going to celebrate New Year as many people always do every changing year.

 

[JSCh]

From NYT, Updated path of missing AirAsia Flight

 

[Screambowl]

Sir, can't these aircraft glide thus keeping the plane intact resulting in belly landing in waters? in case of some system or engine failure! BtW a very sad incident and worst year overall...

once the plane stalls, it falls freely without any control, side ways, upside down, spinning. The hydraulics don't work effectively due to momentum gained by the aircraft It is basically the momentum which creates problem. But still it can come back to control with the work of thrust and handling if the weather is fine. Some times hydraulics fail completely. Well that depends on many factors.

But yes, if it flies properly, then pilot can land it on the water.. but still the impact is very high and chances of fuselage breaking increases. But 90% survival chance is there.

Going too high to hinder a storm making a plane entered icy sky that can broke engine and avionic. The most reasonable cause that we can have Today.

And if it is true that Air Asia management in the earlier hours refused to admit that his plan was missing that causes late rescue operation, in my opinion it should be reviewed whether it is a criminal act or not.

Furthermore, with what happen in Pakistan recently, Syria, and Today Air Asia missing, I am not going to celebrate New Year as many people always do every changing year.

Ice crystal formation and ice sky is normal. The ice crystal does produce great danger in many cases but I don't think this one is caused by ice crystal. If the weather was bad, the jet streams could have caused the plane to dip or stall uncontrolled, but seeing at the cruise speed, which was almost 900 kms per hour. I doubt if it was jet stream.

 

[MarkusS]

This is very unusual. It is very rare that an airplane gets lost during its cruising altitude. Does anyone know how the wheather was?

once the plane stalls, it falls freely without any control, side ways, upside down, spinning. The hydraulics don't work effectively due to momentum gained by the aircraft It is basically the momentum which creates problem. But still it can come back to control with the work of thrust and handling if the weather is fine. Some times hydraulics fail completely. Well that depends on many factors.

But yes, if it flies properly, then pilot can land it on the water.. but still the impact is very high and chances of fuselage breaking increases. But 90% survival chance is there.



Ice crystal formation and ice sky is normal. The ice crystal does produce great danger in many cases but I don't think this one is caused by ice crystal. If the weather was bad, the jet streams could have caused the plane to dip or stall uncontrolled, but seeing at the cruise speed, which was almost 900 kms per hour. I doubt if it was jet stream.

i must correct you. landing on water is almost always a 100% loss. So far it was never sucessfull on the sea with waves. the Hudson has no waves so it makes survival more likely. Its like crashing into a wall.

 

[Jango]

This is very unusual. It is very rare that an airplane gets lost during its cruising altitude. Does anyone know how the wheather was?

This was the weather.

Indonesia Enhanced Weather Satellite Map - AccuWeather.com

Reports were that the crew requested a climb to 38000 feet.