Big irony: PLA invited to take part in Moscow VE day

[Nan Yang]

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Did I not mention India fought under the British ? That was the 1st Irony.

 

[Echo_419]

Did I not mention India fought under the British ? That was the 1st Irony.

Regardless of that Indians still fought the war against the Nazis & the Japanese you idiot

 

[Lux de Veritas]

LOL ... Enemy's enemy is my friend, not only Stalin the U.S also played both sides in China ... the Washington only support KMT ?! LOL ... the U.S absolutely not as NAIVE as today American thought that. Well during 1943~1947 there was a U.S.A military working group stationed in CCP's Yan'an city to assist Mao’s CCP. The truth was in the China Battlefield of WWII, U.S supported both Chiang's KMT and Mao's CCP to against Imperial Japan.
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I said some Indian joint NAZI Germany Army, not all ... OKay ? And what i talked here has historic photos to prove it, not like others making fake WWII history.

It is important enough that your friend tried to revise history by implying, not too subtle, that somehow Mao and the CCP were oh-sooooooo heroic that they were oh-soooooooo alone and helpless yet overcame adversities by their lonesome and defeated Chiang and the KMT by themselves.

The ungrateful CPC fought a war with USA in Korea almost right after WW2 despite USA contributed most in defeating Japan and helping China.

Then CPC keep supporting the Fat Kim Dynasty shitting on Korean big time.

 

[cnleio]

The ungrateful CPC fought a war with USA in Korea almost right after WW2 despite USA contributed most in defeating Japan and helping China.

Then CPC keep supporting the Fat Kim Dynasty shitting on Korean big time.

Fought a war with U.N, ths. And it's chinese people's volunteers not PLA ... why Chinese appeared in korean peninsula ? Coz state interests.

Right now China has good relationship with S.Korea. Whether unification of korean peninsula,it's business between N.Korea and S.Korea not China's.

 

[gambit]

The ungrateful CPC fought a war with USA in Korea almost right after WW2 despite USA contributed most in defeating Japan and helping China.

Then CPC keep supporting the Fat Kim Dynasty shitting on Korean big time.

Someone had to be the point man for China. The fact that the US was ambivalent between Mao and Chiang is irrelevant. We created neither of them. They came from China, not US. So if there was a conflict between Chinese, of course we would want to work with both and see if there could be a unified China. Common sense and war time necessities said we could not recognize both. Even if we chose Chiang, we did it not out of spite for Mao but for common sense and war time necessities that said -- someone had to be THE face for China.

Given how sorry was the state of the Chinese at that time, and I do not say that to be mean spirited, neither Chiang nor Mao was better than the other. The Chinese military after the Japanese invasion, if one is to be kind and broad with the label 'military', had German advisers to create its structures.

Sino-German cooperation until 1941 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But by the time the US tried to negotiate the factions of Mao and Chiang into a reasonably cohesive force, a US Army report had to be brutally honest about the typical Chinese soldiers.

HyperWar: US Army in WWII: Time Runs Out in CBI [Chapter 12]

As they march along they turn into skeletons; they develop signs of beriberi, their legs swell and their bellies protrude, their arms and thighs get thin. Scabies and ulcers turn their skin into a shabby cover of an emaciated body which has no other value than to turn rice into dung and to register the sharp pains of an existence as a conscript in the Chinese Army.

It did not matter if the Chinese soldier was with Mao or with Chiang. Since there were US representatives in both camps trying to make everyone work together, all Americans saw similar, if not identical, conditions. Someone had to be the point man for China given how weak and dispirited the Chinese military was at that time.

The Chinese members here take WW II Allies' selection of Chiang to be that point man for China as some kind of betrayal or at best a grievous strategic error in Asia when reality at that time told the American leadership it was a toss-up either way. The Chinese members here do not realize that Stalin already had Mao under thumb and without a representative on the Allies' council, Stalin would have done much worse than loot Manchuria. There was no guarantee that Stalin would elevate Mao to the council. Without US support for China via Chiang, neither Mao nor Chiang could have held one million Japanese troops in place and even regained some territories.

So yes, it is irrelevant that Mao won the Chinese civil war. In the greater scheme of things, Mao should have stayed inside China and rebuild the country instead of waging a war against an ally.

 

[Nan Yang]

The ungrateful CPC fought a war with USA in Korea almost right after WW2 despite USA contributed most in defeating Japan and helping China.

Then CPC keep supporting the Fat Kim Dynasty shitting on Korean big time.

The last thing in CCP mind is to start a new war so soon after WW2 and the civil war.
Mao was focusing on liberating Taiwan and Nation building. The Korea war was thrust into China face. China had no choice. It is often said that China lost Taiwan because of the Korean war.

South Korea also support Fat Kim with millions from their joint Kaesong industrial complex.

 

[cnleio]

So yes, it is irrelevant that Mao won the Chinese civil war. In the greater scheme of things, Mao should have stayed inside China and rebuild the country instead of waging a war against an ally.

1. It's not China start Korea War ... if the history is true, after N.Korea/ S.Korea/ U.N Army appeared in korean peninsula.

2. Even new China fought a war with former ally in Korea, as far as i saw U.S government didn't care that forgotten war. Ur president still eager for developing relationships with Mao's China in 1972, it's only 1st time in American history ur president visted a nation which didn't establish formal diplomatic relations with the washington (until to 1979).

 

[Lux de Veritas]

6th big irony.

While China was fighting Japan, USSR sabotage China by creating East Turkestan out of Xinjiang.

Second East Turkestan Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Second East Turkestan Republic, usually known as the East Turkestan Republic (ETR), was a short-lived Soviet-backed Turkic Communist people's republic. The ETR existed in the 1940s (November 12, 1944 – October 20, 1949) in present day Xinjiang. It began as a revolution in three northern districts (Ili, Tarbaghatai, Altai) of Xinjiang province of the Republic of China, resulting in the Ili Rebellion. The rest of Xinjiang was under Kuomintang control. This region is now the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China (PRC).

 

[mike2000 is back]

6th big irony.

While China was fighting Japan, USSR sabotage China by creating East Turkestan out of Xinjiang.

Second East Turkestan Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Second East Turkestan Republic, usually known as the East Turkestan Republic (ETR), was a short-lived Soviet-backed Turkic Communist people's republic. The ETR existed in the 1940s (November 12, 1944 – October 20, 1949) in present day Xinjiang. It began as a revolution in three northern districts (Ili, Tarbaghatai, Altai) of Xinjiang province of the Republic of China, resulting in the Ili Rebellion. The rest of Xinjiang was under Kuomintang control. This region is now the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China (PRC).

Lool Russia indeed caused alot of damage/lost of vast territory to china. I wonder why the Chinese have NEVER voiced their concern to/apologies to Moscow over all these but are quick to always judge/hate on their own 'Asian brother ' Japan on the slightest provocation . Lool Guess it's because the U. S. S. R was mao's ccp mentor .
what an irony indeed. lol

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lool Russia indeed caused alot of damage/lost of vast territory to china. I wonder why the Chinese have NEVER voiced their concern to/apologies to Moscow over all these but are quick to always judge/hate on their own 'Asian brother ' Japan on the slightest provocation . Lool Guess it's because the U. S. S. R was mao's ccp mentor .
what an irony indeed. lol

Mao was a local communist in China, and he was never graduated from USSR.

So no, USSR wasn't his mentor, and they didn't like him.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Lool Russia indeed caused alot of damage/lost of vast territory to china. I wonder why the Chinese have NEVER voiced their concern to/apologies to Moscow over all these but are quick to always judge/hate on their own 'Asian brother ' Japan on the slightest provocation . Lool Guess it's because the U. S. S. R was mao's ccp mentor .
what an irony indeed. lol

we also rarely voice our problems against the British for the opium wars which started everything. Just Japan. Why? Because brutal torture with living survivors has a way bigger psychological impact than abstract things.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

we also rarely voice our problems against the British for the opium wars which started everything. Just Japan. Why? Because brutal torture with living survivors has a way bigger psychological impact than abstract things.

Because we are extremely forgiven toward everybody, only the foreigners here are looking for problems with us.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The OP pretends to be an expert of history and doesn't even see his own contradiction.

During WWII, there was no Russia as such, it was the USSR that fought the Nazis and yet it's Russia celebrating victory.

BTW, Stalin was a Georgian, not a Russian.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The OP pretends to be an expert of history and doesn't even see his own contradiction.

During WWII, there was no Russia as such, it was the USSR that fought the Nazis and yet it's Russia celebrating victory.

BTW, Stalin was a Georgian, not a Russian.

The OP got a personal issue with CPC.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Mao was a local communist in China, and he was never graduated from USSR.

So no, USSR wasn't his mentor, and they didn't like him.

But Mao did venerate Stalin and regarded the U. S. S. R as a bigger communist brother. Reason mao even declared a national day of mourning for Stalin when Stalin died. WTF? lol mao also chastised Russia's leaders who replaced Stalin, since Russia's new leaders rightly denounced all Stalin's crimes against Russian civilians and his rule by fear /terror /cult personality he had imposed, something mao took as an attack against him as well. lol

Funny thing is, the U. S. S. R caused farrrr more damage to china than any western power or even Japan. Aftetall, most of the land /territory China lost was to the U. S. S. R, or due to the U. S. S. R

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Mao was focusing on liberating Taiwan and Nation building. The Korea war was thrust into China face. China had no choice. It is often said that China lost Taiwan because of the Korean war.

South Korea also support Fat Kim with millions from their joint Kaesong industrial complex.

True talk, that's what most of us forget. China also lost Taiwan mainly due to the Korean war. Instead of focusing it's strength on retaking Taiwan, the young PRC was enticed (mainly by the U. S. S. R/stalin) to enter the Korean war. It was after this that the U. S. came to consider China a great threat, and thereby offer to protect taiwan by all means necessary.
So yes, one of the main reason(not the only one) China lost Taiwan was because of the Korean war, which Stalin wanted to prolong at the cost of Chinese lives and boged down the U. s at the same time, funny enough /'coincidentally ' prc signed a cease fire agreement /end the war just weeks after Stalin's death, since the new leaders in Russia wasn't eager to continue Stalin's policy /paranoia of fuelling the flames of war in Korea (by providing all the military supplies /material /equipments).