Big irony: PLA invited to take part in Moscow VE day

[ChineseTiger1986]

But Mao did venerate Stalin and regarded the U. S. S. R as a bigger communist brother. Reason mao even declared a national day of mourning for Stalin when Stalin died. WTF? lol mao also chastised Russia's leaders who replaced Stalin, since Russia's new leaders rightly denounced all Stalin's crimes against Russian civilians and his rule by fear /terror /cult personality he had imposed, something mao took as an attack against him as well. lol

Funny thing is, the U. S. S. R caused farrrr more damage to china than any western power or even Japan. Aftetall, most of the land /territory China lost was to the U. S. S. R, or due to the U. S. S. R

Nope, Mao's most respected communist ideologists were Marx and Lenin, while his view towards Stalin was actually mixed.

Mao did acknowledge Stalin's great contribution for the industrialization of USSR which served as a great role model for the communist world. However, Mao did express the strong personal dislike towards Stalin's imperialism attitude towards China, and he caused China to lose Outer Mongolia.

PRC was weak during early years, so we had to appease Stalin, we had no choice, but later we managed to break the bound from USSR.

 

[Aepsilons]

5th big Irony

When USSR "attacked" Japan (Manchuria), Red Armies raped Manchurian women everywhere they went. The Red Army deemed these women "Japanese women" and deserved to be raped.

Soviet war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 9 August 1945, the Soviet Union declared a war on Japan and launched an invasion of Japanese puppet state Manchukuo (Manchuria). Upon occupation of this territory, the Soviets laid claim to Japanese valuable materials and industrial equipment in the region.[109] A foreigner witnessed Soviet troops, formerly stationed in Berlin, who were allowed by the Soviet military to go at the city "for three days of rape and pillage." Most of Mukden was gone. Convict soldiers were then used to replace them; it was testified that they "stole everything in sight, broke up bathtubs and toilets with hammers, pulled electric-light wiring out of the plaster, built fires on the floor and either burned down the house or at least a big hole in the floor, and in general behaved completely like savages."[110]

According to some Western sources, the Soviets made it a policy to loot and rape civilians in Manchuria. The same Soviet troops from Germany had been sent to Manchuria and looted, killed and raped. In Harbin, the Chinese posted slogans such as "Down with Red Imperialism!" Soviet forces ignored protests from Chinese communist party leaders on their mass rape and loot policy

Utterly disgusting.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Utterly disgusting.

Still better than the inhuman experiments from the Unit 731.

 

[Aepsilons]

6th big irony.

While China was fighting Japan, USSR sabotage China by creating East Turkestan out of Xinjiang.

Second East Turkestan Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Second East Turkestan Republic, usually known as the East Turkestan Republic (ETR), was a short-lived Soviet-backed Turkic Communist people's republic. The ETR existed in the 1940s (November 12, 1944 – October 20, 1949) in present day Xinjiang. It began as a revolution in three northern districts (Ili, Tarbaghatai, Altai) of Xinjiang province of the Republic of China, resulting in the Ili Rebellion. The rest of Xinjiang was under Kuomintang control. This region is now the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China (PRC).

Interesting.....

Still better than the inhuman experiments from Unit 731.

There's no excuse for either one. Both what Japanese and Russian soldiers did were wrong, and shameful. I would rather commit suicide than even try to excuse the wrongs our soldiers did.

The point is, the rape that these Russians did to Japanese and Manchurian women is utterly despicable.

I have also heard stories of what happened in North Korea as well.

The dignity of Northeast Asian women being defiled....

Lool Russia indeed caused alot of damage/lost of vast territory to china. I wonder why the Chinese have NEVER voiced their concern to/apologies to Moscow over all these but are quick to always judge/hate on their own 'Asian brother ' Japan on the slightest provocation . Lool Guess it's because the U. S. S. R was mao's ccp mentor .
what an irony indeed. lol

The truth is always subjective then, when politicized.

Pontius Pilate was right when he questioned Christ, "What is Truth?"



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[ChineseTiger1986]

Interesting.....

Well, at least today's Russia won't harbor those Uighur separatists, unlike Uncle Sam and its minions.

There's no excuse for either one. Both what Japanese and Russian soldiers did were wrong, and shameful. I would rather commit suicide than even try to excuse the wrongs our soldiers did.

The point is, the rape that these Russians did to Japanese and Manchurian women is utterly despicable.

I have also heard stories of what happened in North Korea as well.

The dignity of Northeast Asian women being defiled....

Most of these women were ethnically Han, not Manchurian.

Over 90% of the population in Northeast China are Hans.

 

[Aepsilons]

Well, at least today's Russia won't harbor those Uighur separatists, unlike Uncle Sam and its minions.



Most of these women were ethnically Han, not Manchurian.

Over 90% of the population in Northeast China are Hans.

At the time, I think most of Manchukoku were populated by Manchus , then some Han, and also over 5 million Japanese civilians, and some 2 million Koreans.

Well, at least today's Russia won't harbor those Uighur separatists, unlike Uncle Sam and its minions.



Most of these women were ethnically Han, not Manchurian.

Over 90% of the population in Northeast China are Hans.

Don't be so sure about the Russian foreign policy, they are very interventionist in foreign affairs, tho they will deny it.

You know that, I know that, we all know that.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

At the time, I think most of Manchukoku were populated by Manchus , then some Han, and also over 5 million Japanese civilians, and some 2 million Koreans.

Nope, the majority were Hans, since China had re-populated these areas long before the illegal occupation from the Japanese Empire.

The famous warlord from Northeast China Zhang Zuolin, he was an ethnic Han, and he got assassinated by your Japanese Empire because he refused to concede Northeast China to you guys.

Zhang Zuolin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't be so sure about the Russian foreign policy, they are very interventionist in foreign affairs, tho they will deny it.

Well, Putin hasn't met any of those so-called 'exiled leaders' like Dalai and Rebiya, while we can often see such meeting with the western leaders.

It is quite clearly that Russia isn't so keen to support the separatism of China, unlike the West.

 

[Aepsilons]

Nope, the majority were Hans, since China had re-populated these areas long before the illegal occupation from the Japanese Empire.

Japan had conducted civilian surveys from 1932 till 1945, most of the indigenous folks in Manchukoku were Manchus, there were some Han who came and worked in industry since Manchukoku was an industrial heartland. It was later on, much later, after the conclusion of the Sino Civil War that more Han went to repopulate Manchuria.

We also have to understand that after the end of the war, the some 5 million Japanese civilians in Manchukoku left the area for Japan, and many of tht Koreans also went back to Japan and Korea.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Japan had conducted civilian surveys from 1932 till 1945, most of the indigenous folks in Manchukoku were Manchus, there were some Han who came and worked in industry since Manchukoku was an industrial heartland. It was later on, much later, after the conclusion of the Sino Civil War that more Han went to repopulate Manchuria.

We also have to understand that after the end of the war, the some 5 million Japanese civilians in Manchukoku left the area for Japan, and many of tht Koreans also went back to Japan and Korea.

Your survey is inaccurate but pure propaganda to deny China's rightful claim on Northeast China.

China has long re-populated Northeast China before 1930s.

Even the western source like Wikipedia disagrees with you.

Manchukuo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Aepsilons]

Nope, the majority were Hans, since China had re-populated these areas long before the illegal occupation from the Japanese Empire.

The famous warlord from Northeast China Zhang Zuolin, he was an ethnic Han, and he got assassinated by your Japanese Empire because he refused to concede Northeast China to you guys.

Zhang Zuolin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Well, Putin hasn't met any of those so-called 'exiled leaders' like Dalai and Rebiya, while we can often see such meeting with the western leaders.

It is quite clearly that Russia isn't so keen to support the separatism of China, unlike the West.

Correction.

Zhang Zuolin was a monarchist and supported the restoration of the Qing Dynasty, he was vehemently against Republicanism and democratic principles. And he was a loyal servant of Japan. He was assassinated by ultranationalist Manchukokujin and and some misdirected Imperial soldiers.

His death was actually a travesty for Japan. There are even some rumors that Tan Yankai planned Zhang's untimely demise , in cahoots with some of our misdirected officers.

There was a power struggle in Manchukoku....

Your survey is inaccurate but pure propaganda to deny China's rightful claim on Northeast China.

China has long re-populated Northeast China before 1930s.

Even the western source like Wikipedia disagrees with you.

Manchukuo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your link says nothing about Han demographic makeup. It does say that 96% of the population was Manchurian.


lol

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Correction.

Zhang Zuolin was a monarchist and supported the restoration of the Qing Dynasty, he was vehemently against Republicanism and democratic principles. And he was a loyal servant of Japan. He was assassinated by ultranationalist Manchukokujin and and some misdirected Imperial soldiers.

His death was actually a travesty for Japan. There are even some rumors that Tan Yankai planned Zhang's untimely demise , in cahoots with some of our misdirected officers.

There was a power struggle in Manchukoku....

Just stop your distortion on history, since i have already debunked your propaganda on the post above.

Zhang belonged to Beiyang faction of ROC which is major rival of Chiang's KMT faction, no way he was a monarchist.

He was clearly assassinated by the Imperial Japan, only the Japanese right-wing fanatics will say otherwise.

To deny the history will keep making you losing further more of credits.

Your link says nothing about Han demographic makeup. It does say that 96% of the population was Manchurian.


lol

It said that 96% were Chinese including the Manchus if you can read it carefully.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Don't be so sure about the Russian foreign policy, they are very interventionist in foreign affairs, tho they will deny it.

You know that, I know that, we all know that.

Thats something most Chinese members here dont seem to recognize.lool They tend to see Russia as some sort of benevolent saint,non aggressive,peaceful innocent country being bullied by the evil west/U.S.lol Even the Russians will laugh at this unflattering remarks. Russia is only acting 'less' agressive simply because its now weak and doesn't have the power/influence to act the way it wants(like it did in the past). The day Russia once again gets the upper hand, then China will still be the first country to suffer from Moscow's military might, like it has for much of the past century. If anything, if i was Chinese i will despise Russia even more than Japan, since at least Japan came and left Chinas territory intact, while Russia hold almost all Chinese territory(more than the size of all western Europe combined.lol) which it had seized during that period to this day

Truth is that China still holds so much grudge against Japan simply because Japan is an Asian country close to it culturally/linguistically/racially etc and much smaller, so the fact that Japan defeated and invaded China during the second world war hurts Chinese pride so much, meanwhile Russia, Britain,U.S and other western powers are far from China and not related to China in any way, so the shame isn't that blatant/hurtful like being invaded by a fellow Asian country and a small one at that.

For example the Indians are still but hurt/despise the Chinese so much even today because they were defeated by them in 1962, but they still regard Britain who colonized and ruled them for over a century more favorably and less controversial than China. Another irony.lol

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Thats something most Chinese members here dont seem to recognize.lool They tend to see Russia as some sort of benevolent saint,non aggressive,peaceful innocent country being bullied by the evil west/U.S.lol Even the Russians will laugh at this unflattering remarks. Russia is only acting 'less' agressive simply because its now weak and doesnt have the power/infleunce to act the way it wants(like it did in the past). The day Russia once again gets the upper hand, then China will still be the first country to suffer from Moscow's military might, like it has for much of the past century. If anything, if i was Chinese i will despise Russia even more than Japan, since at least Japan came and left Chinas territory intact, while Russia hold almost all Chinese territory(more than the size of all western europe combined.lol) which it had seized during that period to this day

Russia is no saint, and they are also working for their own national interests, but at least they are not as hypocritical as your guys.

A Sino-Russo alliance will be a nightmare for you guys, so you wanna do everything to prevent it to happening.

 

[Aepsilons]

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Don't be so sure about the Russian foreign policy, they are very interventionist in foreign affairs, tho they will deny it.

You know that, I know that, we all know that.

Correct!! In fact one of the major Imperial Directives by the Imperial Privy Council's decision to invade China was to preserve China. If you look at old Japanese Imperial Maps, the plan was to merge both the Japanese Empire with China Proper, it was our attempt to make Japan, China, Korea...ONE!

We had no plans to take little piece here little piece there like what the Russians did with the Qing.

Japan wanted to merge TOTALLY with China. Of course the bias was that Japan wanted to do it according to Japanese design. The reason for this was because Japan had believed Chinese leadership was incapable to unify China, and China's weakness would invite more Euroean military adventurism into Asia. By uniting both the Japanese and Chinese Empires, East Asia would be totally and utterly unstoppable.


So, one can say that even tho Japanese Empire was at war with China, the motivation was to preserve and save China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Correct!! In fact one of the major Imperial Directives by the Imperial Privy Council's decision to invade China was to preserve China. If you look at old Japanese Imperial Maps, the plan was to merge both the Japanese Empire with China Proper, it was our attempt to make Japan, China, Korea...ONE!

We had no plans to take little piece here little piece there like what the Russians did with the Qing.

Japan wanted to merge TOTALLY with China. Of course the bias was that Japan wanted to do it according to Japanese design. The reason for this was because Japan had believed Chinese leadership was incapable to unify China, and China's weakness would invite more Euroean military adventurism into Asia. By uniting both the Japanese and Chinese Empires, East Asia would be totally and utterly unstoppable.


So, one can say that even tho Japanese Empire was at war with China, the motivation was to preserve and save China.

To kill 35 million of our kind in result, no thanks, we don't need this kind of "preservation".

The Chinese land must be ruled by Chinese themselves, not by any foreigner.