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4th big Irony

The role of USSR Red army in China was to help CPC wage terrorism against the KMT Chinese government. Even China TV now admits.

专访习近平接见的二战老兵:习仲勋给我留下很深的印象|加列耶夫| 中国_凤凰资讯


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Irony Number 1

The CPC Red Army are not fighting the Japanese except for one campaign (Hundred Regiment Offensive). The Commander Marshal Peng Dehuai get shit and fighting Japanese is his cardinal Sin.

Hundred Regiments Offensive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Below is wikipedia

Peng and Mao had disagreed over how directly to confront the Japanese since at least the Luochuan Conference in August 1937, with Mao concerned about Communist losses to the well equipped Japanese. After the establishment of the People's Republic Mao is alleged to have said to Lin Biao that "allowing Japan to occupy more territory is the only way to love your country. Otherwise, it would have become a country that loved Chiang Kai-shek." Thus, the Hundred Regiments Offensive became the last of the two major Communist frontal engagements against the Japanese during the war. There had been controversy that Peng had no authorization, even no knowledge of Central Military Committee and Mao Zedong. As early as 1945 the accusation of launching battle without telling Mao had appeared in the North China Conference. During the Great Leap Forward, Peng's bad temper led to his downfall and then the launching of the battle became yet again a criminal action in Cultural Revolution. In 1967, the Red Guard group of Tsinghua University, with the support of Central Cultural Revolution Committee issued a leaflet saying "The mug Peng, along with Zhu De, launched the offensive to defend Chongqin ... He rejected Chairman Mao's instruction and mobilized 105 regiments in an adventuristic pulse ... Chairman Mao said 'How can Peng Dehuai make such a big move without consulting me? Our forces are completely revealed. The result shall be terrible.'"

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Marshal Peng Dehuai

No, the correct description is that out of the ten largest campaign in WWII, only one is solely fought by CPC. This is because during WWII, the CPC army started off with less than 40,000 soldiers and outnumbered by KMT troop 80 to 1. Your statement that "are not fighting the Japanese except for one campaign" is an outright lie, because CPC has been waging guerrilla warfare against Japanese since it had an army, unlike KMT which spent a long time waiting for "international intervention". By the time WWII actually started, the Chinese front lines are actually entering a state of stalemate and quiet down. At the same time, Japan deployed more than half of its total force in Chinese theatre trying to fight CPC's guerrilla forces.

4th big Irony

The role of USSR Red army in China was to help CPC wage terrorism against the KMT Chinese government. Even China TV now admits.

专访习近平接见的二战老兵:习仲勋给我留下很深的印象|加列耶夫| 中国_凤凰资讯


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1. The official recognized government of China by USSR at the time is actually the KMT led Republic of China. This is why all the treaties, including the one that signed out outer Mongolia is actually signed with the KMT government.

2. Red Army marched into Northeast China during last months of WWII and it attacked the last forces Japan had in China. It had zero contact with KMT and actually provided zero support to CPC during the ensuing civil war. This is why by 1949, the PLA is armed with more Japanese gear left over from WWII and American gear captured from KMT than any USSR gear.

3. I won't dignify the terrorism claim with an answer, but here is a hint, if you are getting your *** kicked in the open battlefield despite having triple of the opponent's numbers and resources, that just means you sucked at war and not because the opponent is doing anything unfair.


Look, you have been on this forum long enough. Are you somehow under the impression that nobody here can read Chinese or knows Chinese history after all this time?
 
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How about the Irony that India is invited?

Irony 1.
India was fighting under the British.

Irony 2
Indian soldiers defected and formed the Indian National Army and together with the Imperial Japanese army actually fought against the British and allied forces.

Captain Mohan Singh (in turban) of the Indian National Army being greeted by the Japanese Major Fujiwara Iwaichi, April 1942

Mohan Singh is now a national hero in India.

Irony 3
During the Tokyo War Crimes Trials the Justice Radhabinod Pal of India dismissed the legitimacy of the IMTFE as victor's justice:
 
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How about the Irony that India is invited?

Irony 1.
India was fighting under the British.

Irony 2
Indian soldiers defected and formed the Indian National Army and together with the Imperial Japanese army actually fought against the British and allied forces.

Captain Mohan Singh (in turban) of the Indian National Army being greeted by the Japanese Major Fujiwara Iwaichi, April 1942

Mohan Singh is now a national hero in India.

Irony 3
During the Tokyo War Crimes Trials the Justice Radhabinod Pal of India dismissed the legitimacy of the IMTFE as victor's justice:
Well said.
A country was non-existent.
 
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How about the Irony that India is invited?

Irony 1.
India was fighting under the British.

Irony 2
Indian soldiers defected and formed the Indian National Army and together with the Imperial Japanese army actually fought against the British and allied forces.

Captain Mohan Singh (in turban) of the Indian National Army being greeted by the Japanese Major Fujiwara Iwaichi, April 1942

Mohan Singh is now a national hero in India.

Irony 3
During the Tokyo War Crimes Trials the Justice Radhabinod Pal of India dismissed the legitimacy of the IMTFE as victor's justice:
1. Lux de Veritas read less history of last WWII
2. Lux de Veritas talk sh!t in this thread
3. We shouldn't discuss WWII Indian here.
4. If we need to talk Indian did in last WWII, truth was two groups of Indian: 1. fought for Britain in Myanmar to against Imperial Japan 2. fought for NAZI Germany in North-Africa to against allied forces. Both fight for India's independence after WWII.

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1. The official recognized government of China by USSR at the time is actually the KMT led Republic of China. This is why all the treaties, including the one that signed out outer Mongolia is actually signed with the KMT government.

2. Red Army marched into Northeast China during last months of WWII and it attacked the last forces Japan had in China. It had zero contact with KMT and actually provided zero support to CPC during the ensuing civil war. This is why by 1949, the PLA is armed with more Japanese gear left over from WWII and American gear captured from KMT than any USSR gear.
Stalin played both sides, but most of all, he played Mao and the CCP more than he played Chiang and the KMT.

Everyone, including the Americans, knew Stalin favored Mao over the Chiang for China. But since the US supported Chiang, and that Stalin was a major partner in WW II in Asia, the least that Stalin must do was to nominally support the KMT. Everyone also knew that Stalin were giving Mao and the CCP material support, least of all to fight the Japanese, but more to prepare for the possibility of a Chinese civil war for control of all of China. Stalin could not make those support above a certain threshold that would provoke an official American objection in front of all three partners.

Northeast China, or Manchuria, is larger than Germany, Poland, and France COMBINED, is rich in natural resources, and probably most important -- several excellent yr-round ports that even if Manchuria have little or no natural resources, those access to open sea would more than make up for that lack. Manchuria have always been vital to anyone wishing to have at least majority control, if not complete control, of China. The Japanese did not pick Manchuria for no reasons. And was it true that Nurhaci succeeded -- the Qing-Ming changeover -- only because he controlled Manchuria ?

So when Stalin effectively took over and literally looted Manchuria, by ALLOWING Mao and the CCP to use Kwantung Army leftover arms, Stalin could maintain the fiction that Russia wanted no interference in China's internal affairs while actually supported Mao with those Japanese arms.

I robbed Joe and gave you Joe's stuff, that mean I supported you. Simple as that.

Look, you have been on this forum long enough. Are you somehow under the impression that nobody here can read Chinese or knows Chinese history after all this time?
No...But that does not mean you would not revise history, like you just tried.
 
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How about the Irony that India is invited?

Irony 1.
India was fighting under the British.

Irony 2
Indian soldiers defected and formed the Indian National Army and together with the Imperial Japanese army actually fought against the British and allied forces.

Captain Mohan Singh (in turban) of the Indian National Army being greeted by the Japanese Major Fujiwara Iwaichi, April 1942

Mohan Singh is now a national hero in India.

Irony 3
During the Tokyo War Crimes Trials the Justice Radhabinod Pal of India dismissed the legitimacy of the IMTFE as victor's justice:

The thread was started by a Singaporean you idiot no need to drag India in

2nd read this

India in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While your famed PLA was allowing the KMT to do all the fighting Indians(Pakistanis too) were fighting Axis powers across the globe
So read history before Posting BS
 
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5th big Irony

When USSR "attacked" Japan (Manchuria), Red Armies raped Manchurian women everywhere they went.
The Red Army deemed these women "Japanese women" and deserved to be raped.

Soviet war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 9 August 1945, the Soviet Union declared a war on Japan and launched an invasion of Japanese puppet state Manchukuo (Manchuria). Upon occupation of this territory, the Soviets laid claim to Japanese valuable materials and industrial equipment in the region.[109] A foreigner witnessed Soviet troops, formerly stationed in Berlin, who were allowed by the Soviet military to go at the city "for three days of rape and pillage." Most of Mukden was gone. Convict soldiers were then used to replace them; it was testified that they "stole everything in sight, broke up bathtubs and toilets with hammers, pulled electric-light wiring out of the plaster, built fires on the floor and either burned down the house or at least a big hole in the floor, and in general behaved completely like savages."[110]

According to some Western sources, the Soviets made it a policy to loot and rape civilians in Manchuria. The same Soviet troops from Germany had been sent to Manchuria and looted, killed and raped. In Harbin, the Chinese posted slogans such as "Down with Red Imperialism!" Soviet forces ignored protests from Chinese communist party leaders on their mass rape and loot policy


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1. Lux de Veritas read less history of last WWII
2. Lux de Veritas talk sh!t in this thread
3. We shouldn't discuss WWII Indian here.
4. If we need to talk Indian did in last WWII, truth was two groups of Indian: 1. fought for Britain in Myanmar to against Imperial Japan 2. fought for NAZI Germany in North-Africa to against allied forces. Both fight for India's independence after WWII.

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Your lack of knowelege is truly amazing comrade
Please do read more
India in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indians fought in North Africa,EuropE,SEasia & we contributed over 2.5 million troops the Allied War effort while your famed PLA was letting its fellow Chinese KMT getting slaughtered by the hands of Japanese
& please at least do some basic research before you type
 
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Stalin played both sides, but most of all, he played Mao and the CCP more than he played Chiang and the KMT.

Everyone, including the Americans, knew Stalin favored Mao over the Chiang for China. But since the US supported Chiang, and that Stalin was a major partner in WW II in Asia, the least that Stalin must do was to nominally support the KMT. Everyone also knew that Stalin were giving Mao and the CCP material support, least of all to fight the Japanese, but more to prepare for the possibility of a Chinese civil war for control of all of China. Stalin could not make those support above a certain threshold that would provoke an official American objection in front of all three partners.
LOL ... Enemy's enemy is my friend, not only Stalin the U.S also played both sides in China ... the Washington only support KMT ?! LOL ... the U.S absolutely not as NAIVE as today American thought that. Well during 1943~1947 there was a U.S.A military working group stationed in CCP's Yan'an city to assist Mao’s CCP. The truth was in the China Battlefield of WWII, U.S supported both Chiang's KMT and Mao's CCP to against Imperial Japan.
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Your lack of knowelege is truly amazing comrade
Please do read more
India in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indians fought in North Africa,EuropE,SEasia & we contributed over 2.5 million troops the Allied War effort while your famed PLA was letting its fellow Chinese KMT getting slaughtered by the hands of Japanese
& please at least do some basic research before you type
I said some Indian joint NAZI Germany Army, not all ... OKay ? And what i talked here has historic photos to prove it, not like others making fake WWII history.
 
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LOL ... Enemy's enemy is my friend, not only Stalin the U.S also played both sides in China ... the Washington only support KMT ?! LOL ... the U.S absolutely not as NAIVE as today American thought that. Well during 1942~1947 there was a U.S.A military working group stationed in CCP's Yan'an city to assist Mao’s CCP. The truth was in the China Battlefield of WWII, U.S supported both Chiang's KMT and Mao's CCP to against Imperial Japan.

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I said some Indian joint NAZI Germany Army, not all ... OKay ? And what i talked here has historic photos to prove it, not like others making fake WWII history.

You were Quoted accidentally
I was trying to quote
@Nan Yang also @AndrewJin do read the wiki article I posted
 
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LOL ... Enemy's enemy is my friend, not only Stalin the U.S also played both sides in China ... the Washington only support KMT ?! LOL ... the U.S absolutely not as NAIVE as today American thought that. Well during 1943~1947 there was a U.S.A military working group stationed in CCP's Yan'an city to assist Mao’s CCP. The truth was in the China Battlefield of WWII, U.S supported both Chiang's KMT and Mao's CCP to against Imperial Japan.
The US wanted a unified China, so of course when faced with competing factions the US did reached out to Mao, but American OFFICIAL support was for Chiang Kai-shek. Major decisions at the partners level did not contained Mao. Take Indochina, for example, the plan to take Indochina away from France and put under UN custody was made with the US, Russia, and China with Chiang Kai-shek, not Mao, as representative for China.
 
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The US wanted a unified China, so of course when faced with competing factions the US did reached out to Mao, but American OFFICIAL support was for Chiang Kai-shek. Major decisions at the partners level did not contained Mao. Take Indochina, for example, the plan to take Indochina away from France and put under UN custody was made with the US, Russia, and China with Chiang Kai-shek, not Mao, as representative for China.
Well today that's not importance, i think the TaiWan (KMT's ROC) had got used to abandoned by the Washington of U.S ... 1st abandoned in 1949 back to TaiWan, 2nd abandoned in 1971 from UNSC, 3rd abandoned in 1972 President visited China, 4th abandoned in 1979 Sino-U.S nations establish diplomatic relations ... so i think even U.S agree the true Chinese come from mainland of China, not TaiWan island.

Whatever Chiang & KMT or Mao & CCP, U.S only chose the Winner in China as ur friend and abandoned the loser, Right ?
 
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Well today that's not importance, i think the TaiWan (KMT's ROC) had got used to abandoned by the Washington of U.S ... 1st abandoned in 1949 back to TaiWan, 2nd abandoned in 1971 from UNSC, 3rd abandoned in 1972 President visited China, 4th abandoned in 1979 Sino-U.S nations establish diplomatic relations ... so i think even U.S agree the true Chinese come from mainland of China, not TaiWan island.

Whatever Chiang & KMT or Mao & CCP, U.S only chose the Winner in China as ur friend and abandoned the loser, Right ?
It is important enough that your friend tried to revise history by implying, not too subtle, that somehow Mao and the CCP were oh-sooooooo heroic that they were oh-soooooooo alone and helpless yet overcame adversities by their lonesome and defeated Chiang and the KMT by themselves.
 
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Stalin played both sides, but most of all, he played Mao and the CCP more than he played Chiang and the KMT.

Everyone, including the Americans, knew Stalin favored Mao over the Chiang for China. But since the US supported Chiang, and that Stalin was a major partner in WW II in Asia, the least that Stalin must do was to nominally support the KMT. Everyone also knew that Stalin were giving Mao and the CCP material support, least of all to fight the Japanese, but more to prepare for the possibility of a Chinese civil war for control of all of China. Stalin could not make those support above a certain threshold that would provoke an official American objection in front of all three partners.

Northeast China, or Manchuria, is larger than Germany, Poland, and France COMBINED, is rich in natural resources, and probably most important -- several excellent yr-round ports that even if Manchuria have little or no natural resources, those access to open sea would more than make up for that lack. Manchuria have always been vital to anyone wishing to have at least majority control, if not complete control, of China. The Japanese did not pick Manchuria for no reasons. And was it true that Nurhaci succeeded -- the Qing-Ming changeover -- only because he controlled Manchuria ?

So when Stalin effectively took over and literally looted Manchuria, by ALLOWING Mao and the CCP to use Kwantung Army leftover arms, Stalin could maintain the fiction that Russia wanted no interference in China's internal affairs while actually supported Mao with those Japanese arms.

I robbed Joe and gave you Joe's stuff, that mean I supported you. Simple as that.


No...But that does not mean you would not revise history, like you just tried.

No, USSR and US hostility only started after the Chinese civil war is concluded. The thing is, USSR, immediately after WWII, was actively seeking American support in the rebuilding process. The reason is that USSR was the main site for European front of WWII and it had industrialized merely years before the German invasion. As a result, it suffered heavy damage to its infrastructure, hence why Stalin was looking for American support in the immediate years after WWII. The hostility between USSR and US did not start until a few years later and the Chinese civil war was done by then.

Stalin's material support to China did not start until the Korean war happened where the Chinese proved that it could hold its own against Americans and the UN forces, even that was a loan that was eventually paid back. In fact, it is one of the main reason why Mao and CPC decided to split from the communist international close to the end of Chinese civil war and why PRC was only an cordial ally to USSR in the best of the days. Show me a credible source that says Stalin gave CPC material support during Chinese civil war, because no credible source would get that mixed up.
 
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