best option for pakistan in iran war

[Mr ambassador]

I dont know how this article got positive rating on giving suggestions to sell country's peace for a few billion dollars.


Never think of dispute with the calmed neighbor even if you get trillions of dollars.

 

[Maarkhoor]

the only logical thing from here for pakistan.
join USA GCC wholeheartedly
demand 8 things which will be super easy.
1:afghanistan which they are leaving anyway.
2:struck off all debts which can be done with strock of pen.
3: atleast 10 billion aid.5 from usa 5 from gcc combined.and plus 100 billion investment.from allies.
4: engage 100k troops.
but demand 25% of irani land bordering pakistan.and also a slice from other resources.by this we will fully control hormuz and our standing in gulf will reach skies.we maybe even invited to GcC in future.
5: make a long-standing alliance peg rupee with dollar do a currency reforms take 100 old rupees and give em 1 new rupee a stronger rupee pegged with usd ask FTA from america and gcc.
6:push for an arms deal.worth 50 billion upgrade the whole military.csf alone of 2bln from us will contribute enough on top gulf allies can fund us like egypt.
7:ack as a bride between america and china which we always were.
the FTA which we will get will force china to relocate huge industries to pakistan making us a manufacturing hub of region.
8:to make things solid throw an idea of giving 2 bases to america one shamsi.another along arabian sea.this will guarantee future of relationship and make americans committed ro the understandings.
with this small adjustment we will be from no body of today in a year will be super power.cherry on top nukes and cpec.
indians only understand language of power.they will come on term like good boys
we will see a prosperity like never before all we need is some courage
@MastanKhan @Mangus Ortus Novem @Khafee @waz @BHarwana @Winchester

@Khafee

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

Who wants war with iran---? It is iran which wants war---all of its threats and actions are forcing the US to act---.

The saudis did not stir up anything in iran and neither did the emirates---otoh---iran supplying arms and trainer to the houthis---for what reason---.

Poor---kind gentle---innocent houthis---got ensnared in the trap of iran---and got decimated---so that the skin of iran may not get damaged---.

But what were the houthis really thinking---. Did they never realize from the begining that they would be decimated in this proxy war that they started fighting for iran---.

But iran can only run so far---. It is running out of countries to do chaos in---it is running out of options to start wars in other countries---.

The problems it had created the world over---they have to come back and iran will have to face them---.

Pakistan needs to send its troops to the GCC to provide and create a sense of security---and bring the temperature down---.

If pak military had sent 150K troops to that region years ago---the yemen crisis would have been neutered and GCC would not be threatened by iran---.

Iran is simply running out of options---. It has gotten snared in its own trap--.
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thanks Mastan. I wish people read and understand your view point.
its purely nationalistic and has nothing to do with schisms.
your proposal is with view of benefit of Pakistan standing and NOT as a hatred to Iran.


like your argument although I am fundamentally opposed to sending our troops specially to relieve the GCC forces in Yemen (its another Afghanistan) but sending forces like we did during first gulf war in defense of Hijaz is fine (although I don't think the King will be pleased or impressed).

Iranian regime will get what it deserves one way or another

we on the other hand have to prepare ourselves of the aftermath and it makes me think
America has dealt with Al Qaeda
it has dealt with Sadam
it has reduced Syria into Rubble
and after dealing with another designated axes of evil Iran
who is next on the list?

a country
that is Muslim
has nukes
has terrible international press
is facing economic blackmail and terrorism hmm. (I think it is going to happen whatever our stance / action/ nonaction) we are next

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Depends on how it pans out.

Stay out of it if turn out to be a small skirmish for political point scoring. However if fall of Iran is imminent, do not do the same mistake as we did during Afghan war. Move in and grab as much land as possible. We should never let an American (read Zionist) puppet regime installed in Iran. It would be a disaster of biblical proportions for Pakistan security and national interests.

 

[Numerous]

If red mosque Moulvi had created that scenarior during any Khalifa of islam time---the Khalifa would have had him---all the women---girls---boys---men and their families executed in a manner that none would cause a stir against the will and writ of state---.

This is really wrong and is making the khalifa look bad. If the early Muslims did not even kill the family of Jews when they conquered them (the fighting age men were all executed though) then they surely would not kill the family of Muslims.

This is the blood of Muslims you are speaking about and we are not allowed to spill it so easily. You have a misunderstanding of how the rashidun khalifas acted. They were noble men and what you suggest is literally murder of people simply because they are associated with a bad person.

Look let's face it. Most here despise Shia Irani. Like members say look what these insidious Irani do. They shoot our soldiers, they fire missiles into Pakistan, they kill our respect maulanas, they side with India. This offers pPakistan perfect opportunity to sort out the Irani curse. Pakistan has the golden opportunity to join Israel, saudia Arabia, UAE, USA to destroy this Shia terrorist rogue state.

Now is the time for it. Go for it. Best of all walk away with loads of money ..

Iran was pretty popular here until around 3-4 months ago. It doesn't have much to do with them being shia. Their own actions have led to their approval rating falling.

I disliked Iran for years though but most other members here weren't like that.

 

[LeGenD]

US was the biggest backstabber to Pakistan, did we forget what they did after 9/11?

We took down their biggest enemy, USSR, and got nothing but scorn and hate.

They were fine with us only when they needed us and we behaved like slaves, as during Musharraf.

Do you see how they have gone all in with India, even accepting their narrative on Kashmir?

Tell me how in one way US has done something positive for Pakistan since Trump came into power, even Obama was rabidly anti-Pakistani.

You make this sound like a very one-sided relationship but it is not in reality.

1. American firms have created countless jobs in Pakistan. McDonalds, Coke, PepsiCo, KFC, and many more (outsourcing standpoint).

2. Whenever Pakistani economy is on the verge of collapse, Pakistani politicians call in IMF to keep it afloat.

3. USAID funded programs across Pakistan including in the education sector.

4. Thanks to Pervez Musharraf, Pakistani security arrangements are better than ever and PAF is in good shape after many years.

Pakistan also got rid of Al-Qaeda Network and TTP types - to large extent - in the process.

5. US is Pakistan's 2nd largest trading partner, and we have a positive trade dynamic in this case (exports > imports).

China is Pakistan's largest trading partner but we have a overwhelming trade deficit with China (imports < exports; 12 billion USD deficit).

--- --- ---

There are many other aspects to highlight but I hope that you will get the gist.

 

[M. Sarmad]

This is really wrong and is making the khalifa look bad. If the early Muslims did not even kill the family of Jews when they conquered them (the fighting age men were all executed though) then they surely would not kill the family of Muslims.

This is the blood of Muslims you are speaking about and we are not allowed to spill it so easily. You have a misunderstanding of how the rashidun khalifas acted. They were noble men and what you suggest is literally murder of people simply because they are associated with a bad person.

Have you forgotten What did AbuBakar (ra) do to those who challenged the authority of the state ?
What Khalid Bin Walid did to Malik ibn Nuwaira and his wife Layla bint al-Minhal ?

 

[Numerous]

Have you forgotten What did AbuBakar (ra) do to those who challenged the authority of the state ?
What Khalid Bin Walid did to Malik ibn Nuwaira and his wife Layla bint al-Minhal ?

Yeh he waged war against them because they refused to pay zakat. But this is very different in that the user is advocating that the families of Muslims would be killed by the khalifa. It is to my understanding, they are called the ridda wars because it was a deemed a war against apostates - not Muslims. And I have not read that Abu Bakr (ra) killed the entire families of people he defeated in the ridda wars.

Khalid Ibn Walid didn't class Malik ibn Nuwaira as a Muslim due to his actions in the whole refusal to pay zakat issue (I can't remember what specifically made Khalid classify him as a non-Muslim). When Umar (ra) heard about what Khalid (ra) had done, he threatened to stone him for taking the wife of a Muslim man and spilling his blood. Abu Bakr (ra) ruled in Khalid's favour so he wasn't stoned. But this shows that even if a Muslim man is guilty of a crime (as Umar (ra) had thought Malik ibn Nuwaira was stilll Muslim), you don't go after their family.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Seems like anti-Iran sentiment is running high among Pakistanis
Iran has been an ally of India against Pakistan.
Let's see if their ally stands by them against the US.

Yeh he waged against them because they refused to pay zakat. But this is very different in that the user is advocating that the families of Muslims would be killed by the khalifa. It is to my understanding, they are called the ridda wars because it was a deemed a war against apostates - not Muslims. And I have not read that Abu Bakr (ra) killed the entire families of people he defeated in the ridda wars.

Khalid Ibn Walid didn't class Malik ibn Nuwaira as a Muslim due to his actions in the whole refusal to pay zakat issue (I can't remember what specifically made Khalid classify him as a non-Muslim). When Umar (ra) heard about what Khalid (ra) had done, he threatened to stone him for taking the wife of a Muslim man and spilling his blood. Abu Bakr (ra) ruled in Khalid's favour so he wasn't stoned. But this shows that even if a Muslim man is guilty of a crime (as Umar (ra) had thought Malik ibn Nuwaira was stilll Muslim), you don't go after their family.

He refused to pay Zakat to the state. And it was considered an act of rebellion. Malik was killed despite the fact that he didn't take up arms against the state. The Laal Masjid guys rebelled against the state. Whatever happened in Laal Masjid, they themselves were responsible for it.

 

[Numerous]

He refused to pay Zakat to the state. And it was considered an act of rebellion. Malik was killed despite the fact that he didn't take up arms against the state. The Laal Masjid guys rebelled against the state. Whatever happened in Laal Masjid, they themselves were responsible for it.

Bro I don't have issues with dealing with people who rebel like that.

I'm just saying that it is false to say that the khalifa would've killed the families of people who did that.

If red mosque Moulvi had created that scenarior during any Khalifa of islam time---the Khalifa would have had him---all the women---girls---boys---men and their families executed in a manner that none would cause a stir against the will and writ of state---.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You make this sound like a very one-sided relationship but it is not in reality.

1. American firms have created countless jobs in Pakistan. McDonalds, Coke, PepsiCo, KFC, and many more (outsourcing standpoint).

2. Whenever Pakistani economy is on the verge of collapse, Pakistani politicians call in IMF to keep it afloat.

3. USAID funded programs across Pakistan including in the education sector.

4. Thanks to Pervez Musharraf, Pakistani security arrangements are better than ever and PAF is in good shape after many years.

Pakistan also got rid of Al-Qaeda Network and TTP types - to large extent - in the process.

5. US is Pakistan's 2nd largest trading partner, and we have a positive trade dynamic in this case (exports > imports).

China is Pakistan's largest trading partner but we have a overwhelming trade deficit with China (imports < exports; 12 billion USD deficit).

--- --- ---

There are many other aspects to highlight but I hope that you will get the gist.

Without USA, Pakistan would have been the 30th state of USA long time ago, all of us pronouncing "SH" with "S" and "Z" with "J" and wobbling our heads when talking. No beef and all of us eating Birani.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

the only logical thing from here for pakistan.
join USA GCC wholeheartedly
demand 8 things which will be super easy.
1:afghanistan which they are leaving anyway.
2:struck off all debts which can be done with strock of pen.
3: atleast 10 billion aid.5 from usa 5 from gcc combined.and plus 100 billion investment.from allies.
4: engage 100k troops.
but demand 25% of irani land bordering pakistan.and also a slice from other resources.by this we will fully control hormuz and our standing in gulf will reach skies.we maybe even invited to GcC in future.
5: make a long-standing alliance peg rupee with dollar do a currency reforms take 100 old rupees and give em 1 new rupee a stronger rupee pegged with usd ask FTA from america and gcc.
6:push for an arms deal.worth 50 billion upgrade the whole military.csf alone of 2bln from us will contribute enough on top gulf allies can fund us like egypt.
7:ack as a bride between america and china which we always were.
the FTA which we will get will force china to relocate huge industries to pakistan making us a manufacturing hub of region.
8:to make things solid throw an idea of giving 2 bases to america one shamsi.another along arabian sea.this will guarantee future of relationship and make americans committed ro the understandings.
with this small adjustment we will be from no body of today in a year will be super power.cherry on top nukes and cpec.
indians only understand language of power.they will come on term like good boys
we will see a prosperity like never before all we need is some courage
@MastanKhan @Mangus Ortus Novem @Khafee @waz @BHarwana @Winchester

No to war. Never fighting american or any one else war.. Only hijaz is an exception. Also we dont want iran to be our enemy. Iran is not an enemy.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Only hijaz is an exception.

Stop offering something when your help is NOT wanted. If Hijaz ever came under threat America would defend it. Like it did before.

 

[ZAC1]

Remain neutral like we did in afghan war...

 

[delta2]

Don't believe all this hoopla.

The Crazy Iranian Mullah Regime is behind so many problems in this region including the spread of sectarianism. They are the worst thing that has ever happened to Muslims in the last 1400+ years. They have done nothing but brought destruction and misery upon their people and the region. They are behind and at the source of many evils. The USA is an empire in every sense of the word and the Iranian regime's role fits perfectly in an imperial soap opera.

The current Iranian regime is the source of instability and back stabbing in this region. The moment the crazy sectarian mullahs of Iran are thrown out of power it will end a great deal problems for the region and beyond and that does not fit the script.

The clerks of the Anti-Christ ironing their Persian shawls in Isfahan and Tehran are up to something.

There is something else very big and sinister going on here.