best option for pakistan in iran war

[MastanKhan]

This is really wrong and is making the khalifa look bad. If the early Muslims did not even kill the family of Jews when they conquered them (the fighting age men were all executed though) then they surely would not kill the family of Muslims.

This is the blood of Muslims you are speaking about and we are not allowed to spill it so easily. You have a misunderstanding of how the rashidun khalifas acted. They were noble men and what you suggest is literally murder of people simply because they are associated with a bad person.



Iran was pretty popular here until around 3-4 months ago. It doesn't have much to do with them being shia. Their own actions have led to their approval rating falling.

I disliked Iran for years though but most other members here weren't like that.

Hi,

You don't even have to ability to understand what is written and just trying to wing an answer---.

The Red mosque was a threat against the state---causing sedition---asking public to raise arms against the state--and on top of it---it was built on illegal grounds---.

People who rose against the state during the times of khilafat did not have a good ending---.

 

[Numerous]

Hi,

You don't even have to ability to understand what is written and just trying to wing an answer---.

The Red mosque was a threat against the state---causing sedition---asking public to raise arms against the state--and on top of it---it was built on illegal grounds---.

People who rose against the state during the times of khilafat did not have a good ending---.

Asalaamualaykum

I understood it perfectly fine. You said that the khalifa would kill their families too, spare no man, women, no boy or girl.

If your khalifa is abu bakr al baghdadi then yeh maybe he'd kill people's families.

If your Khalifa is Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra) then no he would not do that. The rashidun khalifa were good and noble men, they were not people who would kill the innocent just because they are related to bad people by blood.

You insult the sahaba (ra) by saying they would gladly kill the families of evil Muslims to send a message.

If red mosque Moulvi had created that scenarior during any Khalifa of islam time---the Khalifa would have had him---all the women---girls---boys---men and their families executed in a manner that none would cause a stir against the will and writ of state---.

 

[925boy]

Or stay neutral and covertly support Iran. Do this in exchange for Iranians kicking out Indians.

Join the Russia, China, Turkey, Qatar club in preventing any hostile actions towards Iran and advocating for peace.

One is a route of being a sell-out and betraying our history/justice, while the hard route is the moral and correct thing to do regardless of American bullying.

Least we forget, we are number three on the hit list after Turkey and Iran.

Wise logic detected.

iranian are one small sun of guns and treacherous too.they sold kashmir cause in 95 to indians for few cheap potatoes and biscuits.
they sold us to americans in aq khan saga.we were saved by mushi diplomacy
iran is source of all trouble which we need to take care of

the only logical thing from here for pakistan.
join USA GCC wholeheartedly
demand 8 things which will be super easy.
1:afghanistan which they are leaving anyway.
2:struck off all debts which can be done with strock of pen.
3: atleast 10 billion aid.5 from usa 5 from gcc combined.and plus 100 billion investment.from allies.
4: engage 100k troops.
but demand 25% of irani land bordering pakistan.and also a slice from other resources.by this we will fully control hormuz and our standing in gulf will reach skies.we maybe even invited to GcC in future.
5: make a long-standing alliance peg rupee with dollar do a currency reforms take 100 old rupees and give em 1 new rupee a stronger rupee pegged with usd ask FTA from america and gcc.
6:push for an arms deal.worth 50 billion upgrade the whole military. csf alone of 2bln from us will contribute enough on top gulf allies can fund us like egypt.
7:ack as a bride between america and china which we always were.
the FTA which we will get will force china to relocate huge industries to pakistan making us a manufacturing hub of region.
8:to make things solid throw an idea of giving 2 bases to america one shamsi.another along arabian sea.this will guarantee future of relationship and make americans committed ro the understandings.
with this small adjustment we will be from no body of today in a year will be super power.cherry on top nukes and cpec.
indians only understand language of power.they will come on term like good boys
we will see a prosperity like never before all we need is some courage
@MastanKhan @Mangus Ortus Novem @Khafee @waz @BHarwana @Winchester

1) You are a dreamer patriot. Dreams =/= reality.
2) You are essentially suggesting Pakistan become a nation-state mercenary force for GCC+US.
3) US never agreed to leave Afghanistan and US IS in Afghanistan partly to monitor your country.
4) US+ GCC will never cancel your debt, you will pay it via other means- mainly blood. Lots of it.
5) Why you always need "aid" whenn you've been given so much already? you guys are just like Nigeria- you keep receiving tons of money and keep begging for more at the same time. Pakistan seems BAD with money.
6) Iran will never give you 1% of its land(this is another big dream of yours). Iran MIGHT give Iraq some, but Pakistan? NEVER. r you living on this material earth with the rest of us?
7)Push for arms deal with $50bn? WOW, once again you prove you're a REAL DREAMER. China already gave you free CPEC For $40bn and thats not enough?

 

[lafete]

You have to wonder what good has this middle eastern oil done to the ummah? Why can't Pakistan use ISI to shake some much required funds from these fools?

In case of war, Pakistan must extract maximum benefits. Its a good thing that the new port in Karachi is ready now. If the strait of Hormuz is blocked all traffic will be routed to Karachi and Gwadar.

Airlines would have to avoid the middle east. Pakistani airports could see more traffic. It will be a good use of the under used Islamabad airport.

 

[925boy]

why we should join iran when they are the backstabbers.
gcc is our real friends which always stood by us

Why you shoulld get 25% of Iran's land close to hormuz when you are friend with all Islamic states Iran has problems with?

 

[CrazyZ]

Shooting war against Iran is unlikely, unless Iran is close to a nuclear bomb. Usa is trying to starve Iran so the masses revolt.

I am not anti Iran but I feel Iran is conspiring against us. We remained neutral in Yemen and Iran rewards us by providing a base for Raw in Chabahar.

We should try to mediate if possible but if push comes to shove, we stand with KSA and GCC.

 

[MastanKhan]

Asalaamualaykum

I understood it perfectly fine. You said that the khalifa would kill their families too, spare no man, women, no boy or girl.

If your khalifa is abu bakr al baghdadi then yeh maybe he'd kill people's families.

If your Khalifa is Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra) then no he would not do that. The rashidun khalifa were good and noble men, they were not people who would kill the innocent just because they are related to bad people by blood.

You insult the sahaba (ra) by saying they would gladly kill the families of evil Muslims to send a message.

Hi,

There were many other Khalifas as well other than the 4---.

And they were not as pleasant as the first 4---.

 

[lafete]

Pakistan should have built a rail line along the mekran coastal highway. If the US takes over the strait of hormuz, and use this decade old technology to connect oman and iran, it will link the Saudi peninsula to the sub-continent

Imagine if a train from karachi could reach dubai in a few hours - all the fresh produce that is flown in can be simply sent within hours.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You make this sound like a very one-sided relationship but it is not in reality.

1. American firms have created countless jobs in Pakistan. McDonalds, Coke, PepsiCo, KFC, and many more (outsourcing standpoint).

2. Whenever Pakistani economy is on the verge of collapse, Pakistani politicians call in IMF to keep it afloat.

3. USAID funded programs across Pakistan including in the education sector.

4. Thanks to Pervez Musharraf, Pakistani security arrangements are better than ever and PAF is in good shape after many years.

Pakistan also got rid of Al-Qaeda Network and TTP types - to large extent - in the process.

5. US is Pakistan's 2nd largest trading partner, and we have a positive trade dynamic in this case (exports > imports).

China is Pakistan's largest trading partner but we have a overwhelming trade deficit with China (imports < exports; 12 billion USD deficit).

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There are many other aspects to highlight but I hope that you will get the gist.

Talking about multi-nationals vs the American government.

Let me list some of the things which US did adversely to Pakistan:

1. Refused to help us in 1971, while USSR gave full support to India and Mukti Bahini

2. Supported Zia’s coup and execution of Bhutto

3. Executed Gen Zia by blowing up his plane

4. Boycotted/sanctioned our friend and ally in Afghanistan after we won the soviet war and ended its civil war

5. Sanction us for going Nuclear, while being totally supportive of India’s nuclear program

Post 9/11:

6. Threatened to destroy our country and ‘send it back to the stoneage’ If we did not support its war

7. Brought in India into Afghanistan and looked the other way to its terrorist activities against us. Turned Afghanistan’s civil administration totally against us. Promoted TTP.

8. Promoted CIA and black water operations in Pakistan (Raymond Davis, Shakil Afridi, Osama raid drama)

9. Blamed us for holding Osama, while it is well known he died in 2002 in Tora Bora due to lack of dialysis. Tarnished our image abroad with relentless propaganda.

10. Supported the lies and propaganda being pushed against our state from Malala dramey baz and her ANP anti-Pakistan dad

11. Drone attacks on Pakistani civilians and security/military personnel. Supported and justified by their Do More mantra.

Trump:

12. Completely changed US policy on Kashmir to favor India unflinchingly

13. Gave waver to India in Chahbahar to continue terrorism against us from the West

14. Cut coalition payments for our state and military, calling it aid and not reimbursement for our services

15. Now threatening us with outright hostility and vilifying us through media/government/military to promote an image of Pakistan as a terrorist state.

16. FATF

17. Supported India logistically during Balakot violations

18. Attempting to establish Daesh in our northern border along Nangarhar and providing air support to Daesh against a Taliban attacks

Friend or Foe? You decide.

 

[Numerous]

Hi,

There were many other Khalifas as well other than the 4---.

And they were not as pleasant as the first 4---.

Well bro, we should aim to be like the pleasant righteous khalifas, not any of the bad ones.

 

[American Pakistani]

Yes and destroy the country again, similar to what happened after soviet defeat.

I can't believe so many members thanked that post. Did they forgot what happened after Pakistan was used against Soviets. Note that soviet was a way bigger fish for the west compared to Iran.

 

[MastanKhan]

Talking about multi-nationals vs the American government.

Let me list some of the things which US did adversely to Pakistan:

1. Refused to help us in 1971, while USSR gave full support to India and Mukti Bahini

2. Supported Zia’s coup and execution of Bhutto

3. Executed Gen Zia by blowing up his plane

4. Boycotted/sanctioned our friend and ally in Afghanistan after we won the soviet war and ended its civil war

5. Sanction us for going Nuclear, while being totally supportive of India’s nuclear program

Post 9/11:

6. Threatened to destroy our country and ‘send it back to the stoneage’ If we did not support its war

7. Brought in India into Afghanistan and looked the other way to its terrorist activities against us. Turned Afghanistan’s civil administration totally against us. Promoted TTP.

8. Promoted CIA and black water operations in Pakistan (Raymond Davis, Shakil Afridi, Osama raid drama)

9. Blamed us for holding Osama, while it is well known he died in 2002 in Tora Bora due to lack of dialysis. Tarnished our image abroad with relentless propaganda.

10. Supported the lies and propaganda being pushed against our state from Malala dramey baz and her ANP anti-Pakistan dad

11. Drone attacks on Pakistani civilians and security/military personnel. Supported and justified by their Do More mantra.

Trump:

12. Completely changed US policy on Kashmir to favor India unflinchingly

13. Gave waver to India in Chahbahar to continue terrorism against us from the West

14. Cut coalition payments for our state and military, calling it aid and not reimbursement for our services

15. Now threatening us with outright hostility and vilifying us through media/government/military to promote an image of Pakistan as a terrorist state.

16. FATF

17. Supported India logistically during Balakot violations

18. Attempting to establish Daesh in our northern border along Nangarhar and providing air support to Daesh against a Taliban attacks

Friend or Foe? You decide.

Hi,

US understood that it was a trouble between two brother where one did not want to live under the same roof---. The only fool in this problem was west pakistan that did not want to admit it. Threatened to nuc india if they invaded w pak.

At the start of current afghan war---gave all the opportunity to pakistan to make a better deal for itself---and get the most.

Pakistani failed their nation in doing so---and put the blame on everyone else---.

For payments---that was our fault---why did we lend money to the US---. We should have demanded payments in advance + 2 years advance payments just for security---.

Thus another bad deal made by the pakistanis---.

The sanctions---it was our fault that we refused to learn how the american govt works---. Any congressman can bring out a resolution against any country---.

The US govt has to follow their law---.

Pakistanis should start blaming themselves first and foremost---.

 

[925boy]

i will take an arab over irani any day

Duh, your govt's been doing that since its birth. no?

In case of war, Pakistan must extract maximum benefits. Its a good thing that the new port in Karachi is ready now. If the strait of Hormuz is blocked all traffic will be routed to Karachi and Gwadar.
.

Ok, the traffic gets routed to Karachi, so how will those same rerouted goods get to their original destination-the Persian Gulf? You still have to transport it to or through the Persian Gulf!

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Yaar Ramazan he itne barhe khwaab mat dekha karo

 

[Imad.Khan]

no joke but we can ask for ford manufacturing plant.
since jeep is also fords.we can start making it for our army and mustang we can give u if u want but u have to pay lol

whats the point if i have to pay for it