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Why Bangladesh should do india's bidding? india does not have self respect asking Bangladeshi to lobby China for its interest. What a pitty. india should talk directly to China on its issue. From Bangladesh prospective there is no issue China using dam to generate electricity. But india is diverting water from river and deriving Bangladesh from its due share.

get back to topic...

i dont know why u have the impression that i think BD has to do india's bidding when being an ethnic Chinese myself, i would have loved to see BD do 'China's bidding' instead
 
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Business is business regardless of what you think, money talks and we are now at a point in time where various countries are looking to invest in Bangladesh (China, Japan, South Korea, USA, and even india). We are growing at above 7% per year and thats likely to accelerate...so no offence taken, were happy.

Except that it is India call on it. Given Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan and China, i doubt India would be keen to give Bangladesh go given this project benefits only to Bangladesh, not India. India has nothing to lose with everything to gain from denying China's presence in Bangladesh.

Pakistan has no problem with Bangladesh either. It is India that has problem with Pakistan and China in terms of trade with Bangladesh.
 
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Yes,the people's opinion is clear on this issue. And both political parties understand it very well. A anti China government will never be elected or survive a first year in the office.

so why the cancellation of the Sonadia deep port project?

Bowing down to India's pressure?
 
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Except that it is India call on it. Given Indian foreign policy towards Pakistan and China, i doubt India would be keen to give Bangladesh go given this project benefits only to Bangladesh, not India. India has nothing to lose with everything to gain from denying China's presence in Bangladesh.

Pakistan has no problem with Bangladesh either. It is India that has problem with Pakistan and China in terms of trade with Bangladesh.

you are spot on.
 
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Who will care if Pakistan is pissed? Only you Pakistani. BD will see only Chinese interests are not affected. You are Nizami and will face the same fate as Nizami if you disturb BD.

You do realize that Pakistan is pro-China and India is anti-China. Pakistan and China have no problem in trade business with Bangladesh. It is India that will have problem with Pakistan and China in trade with Bangladesh. It is totally India's call regardless of whether China economical project will benefit the economy of Bangladesh or not. India owns Bangladesh. Given the recent diplomatic relationship of India with China and Pakistan, i doubt India will be keen to give green signal to China's investments in Bangladesh.
 
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You do realize that Pakistan is pro-China and India is anti-China. Pakistan and China have no problem in trade business with Bangladesh. It is India that will have problem with Pakistan and China in trade with Bangladesh. It is totally India's call regardless of whether China economical project will benefit the economy of Bangladesh or not. India owns Bangladesh. Given the recent diplomatic relationship of India with China and Pakistan, i doubt India will be keen to give green signal to China's investments in Bangladesh.

Ultimately, what China wants for herself is simply a deep sea port/base in the Eastern Indian Ocean to match Gwadar on the Western Indian ocean-, while at the same time bringing economic benefits to BD herself. BD has nothing to lose from this 'tide-riding' on the Chinese wave.
 
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so why the cancellation of the Sonadia deep port project?

Bowing down to India's pressure?
Nope,more like not to steer the water too much and maintaining the balance. And the port isn't cancelled exactly. More like on the hold. We need a deep water port,and it will be built, if not now then later.

But if you followed the news, you would have seen that many other important port project is going China's way. Like Chittagong port expansion and upgrade in process, no official news yet, but China has got some important project around the area , Payra port project chanell dredging job, rail link with other areas has already awarded to Chinese companies. and Single point muring in Sonadia, which might interest you,as it gives the hint that Sonadia isn't abandoned, and in future there might be a Chinese built port there.
 
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India owns Bangladesh.
Belief in this statement is the root cause of all your confusion.One or two statement in favor of India in Indo-Pak animosity is not Indian ownership of BD. Bangladesh have own reason to be angry with Pakistan.So BD made pro-india comment to irritate Pakistan.If Indian have hostile relation with any other country other than Pakistan, BD will never take a side and it is most unlikely in case of India-China hostility.
 
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Although I admit I'm a noob at these "port politics", indian influence was not uncanny to notice. But seems like only india may not be the manipulator in this case. A fascinating read from The Diplomat:

Chittagong
Chittagong, positioned a little way up the Karnaphuli River on the northeast curve of the Bay of Bengal, has always been the largest and by far most important seaport in Bangladesh. Once a major hub on the ancient Maritime Silk Road, Chittagong has a history that stretches back to the fourth century B.C. Ptolemy, the Chinese traveler-monk Faxian, and Ibn Battuta all wrote about the place. Today, this position of relevance still rings true.
“We handle 98 percent of the country’s container cargo, 92 percent of the total cargo volume,” a port development administrator explained. “So you can imagine how important this port is to Bangladesh. If Chittagong port collapsed the whole economy will collapse.”
Ninety-two percent of Bangladesh’s total ocean freight equates to over 30 million tons of bulk cargo and more than 1.8 million TEUs (twenty-foot equivalent units) each year. And these numbers are rising fast. Cargo volume through Chittagong port is rising at a 14 to 15 percent clip annually, and at the present growth rate it is estimated that the port would top out by 2018.
The problem with Chittagong is that the current maximum draft of the port is just 9.2 meters — definitely not deep enough for many modern container ships. This requires a time-consuming and costly transfer operation, as smaller ships must be used to transport cargo to and from big ocean freighters that are anchored out in the bay.
One proposal to remedy this problem is the construction of a new port on a 1,200 acre island in the Bay of Bengal off the coast of Patenga, and in proximity to Chittagong. Dubbed the Bay Terminal, this would not technically be a deep sea port–as its maximum draft would be up to 13 or 14 meters, rather than the 15 needed to be granted this designation–but it would allow for larger ships to come directly into port .
As early as 2010, China was publicly invited to get on board with expanding and modernizing Chittagong port, and at one point the country pledged $9 billion toward the endeavor .
“It will be a great achievement if China agrees to use our Chittagong port, which we want to develop into a regional commercial hub by building a deep seaport in the Bay of Bengal,” Bangladesh’s Foreign Minister Dipu Moni told Reuters.
This plan bode well for China’s broader ambitions of building an overland corridor from Yunnan province to a port on the Bay of Bengal. The plan would essentially provide China with a link to the sea that, aside from transiting Myanmar, could bypass Southeast Asia and the snake pit of potentially volatile interests there. This prompted international commentators to quickly
brand the Chittagong deep sea port proposal as one of China’s “pearls,” which put Bangladesh in a rather precarious geopolitical position. So much so that in June 2015 Bangladesh granted Indian cargo ships permission to use Chittagong port.

Sonadia
Realizing that Chittagong may fall through, China had a contingency plan for another deep sea port in Bangladesh all cued up and ready to go. A few years following a 2009 Japanese survey in Sonadia, an island near Cox’s Bazar in the south of the country, which determined it a suitable location for a deep-draft port, China jumped in and offered its financial assistance.
China Harbor Engineering Company, a subsidiary of the state-owned China Communications Construction Company– the same enterprise that is building Colombo Port City in Sri Lanka, and which also happens to be blacklisted by the World Bank on allegations of corruption–was chosen as the developer, and Bangladesh appeared to have given China the green light. During Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s 2014 visit to Beijing it was widely assumed that a deal for Sonadia was going to be formally signed, but then it wasn’t.
It was widely assumed that political pressure was put on Bangladesh from India and the United States to disallow China to build and operate the Sonadia port . With China already building ports in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, the Maldives, and Myanmar, Bangladesh was the last remaining link on a chain that would leave India completely surrounded.
“India’s not very happy that China and Pakistan are holding a strategic and economic relationship, and part of their objection is the One Belt, One Road and the Pakistan-China economic corridor,” said Shahid Islam, a research fellow at the BRAC Institute of Governance and Development, a Dhaka-based center for policy research.
After a period of being quiet about the prospective port, in February of 2016 Bangladesh made the formal announcement that it had been scrapped.
“The cancellation of Sonadia is clearly a strategic decision by Bangladesh, doubtlessly helped along by India, Japan and the U.S.,” wrote Indrani Bagchi in an article in the Times of India.

Matarbari
Another reason for the potential cancellation of the Sonadia port was that Bangladesh had granted a contract to Japan to build a deep sea port at Matarbari, just 25 kilometers away.
Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) is to build the port along with a liquefied natural gas terminal, a series of four 600 MW coal-fed power plants, as well as rail lines, roadways, and electrical systems as part of a monumental infrastructural package deal. The master plan is that the port would be used to receive coal, which could power an entire new industrial zone in the far southeast of the country.
To make this happen, JICA offered a loan to take care of $3.7 billion out of the total $4.6 billion price tag, at 0.1 percent interest for 30 years and a 10 year grace period thrown in on top of that, according to the South China Morning Post.

Payra
Originally seeming like a condolence prize for China, which had been beaten out for a deep sea port in the south of the country by Japan, Bangladesh proposed a deep sea port at Payra, which is located on the northwestern coast of the Bay of Bengal.
The construction of this port, which was being financed on a public-private partnership (PPP) platform, was originally granted to a Chinese company, and it was starting to look like China was finally going to get its deep sea port in Bangladesh. Then the usual chorus of India, Japan, and the United States resounded once again.
However, as a change of pace, India stepped in and stated that they wanted to get in on the action and be one of the port’s big investors. This was a very different strategy than simply trying to prevent China from having their port while offering no other viable alternative, which had previously been the diplomatic model.
The Payra deep sea port was then reconfigured as a cooperative port that many different countries could invest and operate terminals in. It has been reported that Indian companies are now participating and 10 countries have considered jumping in with $15.5 billion of investment , which is felt to be very different than China having a port in Bangladesh all to themselves.
“Bangladesh politics are driven by India, and the U.S. to some extent,” Shahid Islam explained. “Bangladesh can’t move ahead with China in terms of big collaborations, in terms of making the Silk Route or One Belt, One Road or an economic corridor.”
Like many other countries along the Belt and Road, Bangladesh wants to leverage its keystone position between major global powers and be “a friend to everyone.” But at this junction the country finds itself in very turbulent waters as the great game of geopolitics exerts its influence on every horizon.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/bangladeshs-deep-sea-port-problem/
 
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Pakistan is an all weather friend because Chinese know that the political forces in Pakistan including Pakistan government as well as main opposition parties all value a strong and consistent relationship with China. BD is not the same case. Friendly BDer to China can not be sure how their new administration would deal with India. If BD new leaders are submissive to India it would certainly create an impact on BD-China relationship. This may be the case with Hasina government.

Maybe Chinese and BD peop[le do wish to have a stable prosperous relationship without being interfered by others. Under BD's environment China has to be careful that she won't be sold for a cheap Indian reason.
 
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You do realize that Pakistan is pro-China and India is anti-China. Pakistan and China have no problem in trade business with Bangladesh. It is India that will have problem with Pakistan and China in trade with Bangladesh. It is totally India's call regardless of whether China economical project will benefit the economy of Bangladesh or not. India owns Bangladesh. Given the recent diplomatic relationship of India with China and Pakistan, i doubt India will be keen to give green signal to China's investments in Bangladesh.

And yet China is one our largest investors, investing billions of dollars each year.....:-)....Oh then theres Japan, South Korea, USA, Europe etc etc. You see unlike you we have options....:azn:
 
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You do realize that Pakistan is pro-China and India is anti-China. Pakistan and China have no problem in trade business with Bangladesh. It is India that will have problem with Pakistan and China in trade with Bangladesh. It is totally India's call regardless of whether China economical project will benefit the economy of Bangladesh or not. India owns Bangladesh. Given the recent diplomatic relationship of India with China and Pakistan, i doubt India will be keen to give green signal to China's investments in Bangladesh.


This has been your mistake. Why does Pakistan take such sweeping positions in international relations? The last 10 years have shown your diplomacy skills are disastrous - so why would we follow you?

There are no friendships between countries only shared interests. Your interests may be served by China right now but you don't need to alienate everyone else to please them.

BD does not need to take any sides. And we won't take any sides until we are left with no choice - that is good diplomacy.
 
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The India-BD coal power plant is still running into hurdles even after 6 years of signing agreement. We need Chinese support to build infrastructure. You can't wait for ten years to get a project done.

My point is we need to work with the Chinese mostly with these mega projects and throw India a bone every now and then to keep them from whining !!! BD relationship with Pakistan is inconsequential.

China calls the shots here, Modi needs some support from Hasina to feed his domestic base.

Politics is local. If that is what is needed to get improvement going. We are all for it.
 
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This has been your mistake. Why does Pakistan take such sweeping positions in international relations? The last 10 years have shown your diplomacy skills are disastrous - so why would we follow you?

There are no friendships between countries only shared interests. Your interests may be served by China right now but you don't need to alienate everyone else to please them.

BD does not need to take any sides. And we won't take any sides until we are left with no choice - that is good diplomacy.

Forget Pakistan for the sake of debate even though Pakistan's diplomatic relationship with USA, Russia, Turkey, China, Arab nations, Iran, Turkey, Central Asia, Azerbaijan,...etc, goes beyond whereas Bangladesh is still stuck on India only.

That is not the issue. The issue is that it is India's call regarding the foreign policy of Bangladesh. In short, India doesn't like China - the same China that has strong diplomatic relationship with Pakistan.

And yet China is one our largest investors, investing billions of dollars each year.....:-)....Oh then theres Japan, South Korea, USA, Europe etc etc. You see unlike you we have options....:azn:

Yes, but not for long. Given Indian getting frustration day by day, there might be some changes of plan. As long as Bangladesh's foreign policy is governed by India, you never know what can happen.

India recent government is immature at best, very unlike Indian given the history of Indian political affair.

Belief in this statement is the root cause of all your confusion.One or two statement in favor of India in Indo-Pak animosity is not Indian ownership of BD. Bangladesh have own reason to be angry with Pakistan.So BD made pro-india comment to irritate Pakistan.If Indian have hostile relation with any other country other than Pakistan, BD will never take a side and it is most unlikely in case of India-China hostility.

I am not concerned about Bangladesh foreign policy whether it is pro-India and anti-Pakistan. That is not the same as India owning the foreign policy of Bangladesh. At the end, it is India call.

It all boils down to the status of India diplomatic relationship with China/Pakistan.

Ultimately, what China wants for herself is simply a deep sea port/base in the Eastern Indian Ocean to match Gwadar on the Western Indian ocean-, while at the same time bringing economic benefits to BD herself. BD has nothing to lose from this 'tide-riding' on the Chinese wave.

That's not the point. The problem is wife cannot take any investment without permission from her husband. You know where i am going with? Meaning without permission from India, Bangladesh foreign policy is uncertain.

Given Indian diplomatic with China/Pakistan, i am saying only which everyone are already thinking after the planted SIR G KAL on surface recently.
 
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