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BD Government to seek Evidence from Pakistan and USA - War Crime 1971

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Well you had been bashing Muktijuddahs for ever. Its very hard for us to assess your comments if we dont know your real standing in 1971. Was you or any of your familly sided with Pakistan? Did you participate in the war? Were you or your familly a victim of 1971 by Muktijuddas or Indian army? Please clear this so that I could comment.
Are you insane? Muktijuddhas like Tipu Sultan, Titu Mir, Surja Sen, Mendala, Guevara are the saviors of mankind as oppose to the fake one like Mujib, Bush's pursuit of personal gain and hidden agenda. Regardless of the personal loss of my dada and chacha (Known as the finest human beings in their area) because of being bearded at Malu Muktijuddah Sudansu's hand, I wouldn't create any national equations basing on it. After they were blindfolded and thrown in river, my dadi became blind by crying and died few years later as well. But many lost their lives in W Pakistani soldier's hand as well and my father being a physician treated some of them. These were just personal stories and did bring little significance in reaching national/imperial judgment. So, I never bashed any real/ethical freedom fighters and always hated 'War Banijjay' as it was the biggest racket (http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket1.html
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket2.html
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket3.html)
known to perpetrators. So, spare me from painting through this line, will ya?
 
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If you were the leader of Pakistan, and I was the leader of Bangladesh, then there could have been a confederation:cheers: (even though the likelihood of that is near 0% considering public sentiment in Bangladesh) but with either your or our politicians, it would be no better than pre-71 situation. :oops:

We are the new generation and we can do it. Let politicians do what they are doing coz they are power hungry.

I have never heard that Quaid-e-azam has ever said bangle a Hindu Language. He was a leader of great class and he was the one who brought Muslims of India on one platform. In 1948 he tried to remind you that we are one nation because he was sensing the Indian conspiracy to divide people on language issue and had the vision to see that people should not follow sectarianism.

By the way Urdu was not his mother language also.
 
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Here is a compilation of Death tolls by a variety of sources (he gives links, so you can always check). His figure is a million and a quarter after averaging everything.
Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Official Bangladeshi count is 3 million dead.
Here is another source (STATISTICS OF PAKISTAN'S DEMOCIDE) from a US University website which again says 3 million dead.

Stop threatening Bangladesh, for heavens sake.

Stay out of it. It is not your matter. We will not tolerate this effort to destabilize the building relations between two brothers.

Thanks.
 
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Are you insane? Muktijuddhas like Tipu Sultan, Titu Mir, Surja Sen, Mendala, Guevara are the saviors of mankind as oppose to the fake one like Mujib, Bush's pursuit of personal gain and hidden agenda. Regardless of the personal loss of my dada and chacha (Known as the finest human beings in their area) because of being bearded at Malu Muktijuddah Sudansu's hand, I wouldn't create any national equations basing on it. After they were blindfolded and thrown in river, my dadi became blind by crying and died few years later as well. But many lost their lives in W Pakistani soldier's hand as well and my father being a physician treated some of them. These were just personal stories and did bring little significance in reaching national/imperial judgment. So, I never bashed any real/ethical freedom fighters and always hated 'War Banijjay' as it was the biggest racket (http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket1.html
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket2.html
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket3.html)
known to perpetrators. So, spare me from painting through this line, will ya?

I am really really sorry to hear your personal losses. May be what we all had to go through for a country of ours with dignity and self respect. I can only pray for the departed soul.
 
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This article was published in Times magazine, US on October 25, 1971. USA was supporting Pakistan shamelessly and it is very difficult to find US media blaming USA's allies in a war. So the article below reduces the facts regarding the atrocities in 1971. Nonetheless, even that "reduced amount of truth" is horrifying!

East Pakistan: Even the Skies Weep - TIME


East Pakistan: Even the Skies Weep
Monday, Oct. 25, 1971

IN New Delhi last week, one member of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's Cabinet was heard to remark: "War is inevitable." In Islamabad, President Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan spent the better part of a 40-minute television speech railing against the Indians, whom he accused of "whipping up a war frenzy." Along their borders, east and west, both India and Pakistan massed troops. Both defended the action as precautionary, but there was a real danger that a minor border incident could suddenly engulf the subcontinent in all-out war.


Several factors are at work to reduce the likelihood of such an explosion. The Indian-Soviet friendship treaty, signed early in August, deters India from waging war without consulting the Soviets. At the same time, rising discontent and political and economic pressures within West Pakistan have also placed restraints on Strongman Yahya Khan and his military regime. Nonetheless, war remains a distinct possibility. As Mrs. Gandhi said last week at a public meeting in South India: "We must be prepared for any eventuality."

Intolerable Strain. The current dispute has grown out of the Pakistani army's harsh repression of a Bengali movement demanding greater autonomy for the much-exploited eastern sector of the divided nation. The resulting flood of impoverished East Pakistani refugees has placed an intolerable strain on India's already overburdened economy. New Delhi has insisted from the first that the refugees, who now number well over 9,000,000 by official estimates, must be allowed to return safely to their homes in East Pakistan.

Before that is possible, however, a political solution must be found that would end the Pakistani army's reign of terror, wanton destruction and pogroms aimed particularly at the 10 million members of the Hindu minority in predominantly Moslem East Pakistan (pop. 78 million at the start of the civil war).


Once, Sheik Mujibur ("Mujib") Rahman, leader of the Awami League, the East's majority party, might have held the key to that solution. As the overwhelming winner of the country's first national elections last December Mujib stood to become Prime Minister of Pakistan; now he is on trial for his life before a secret military tribunal in the West on charges of treason.

Though Islamabad has ordered the military command to ease off on its repressive tactics, refugees are still trekking into India at the rate of about 30,000 a day, telling of villages burned, residents shot, and prominent figures carried off and never heard from again. One of the more horrible revelations concerns 563 young Bengali women, some only 18, who have been held captive inside Dacca's dingy military cantonment since the first days of the fighting. Seized from Dacca University and private homes and forced into military brothels, the girls are all three to five months pregnant. The army is reported to have enlisted Bengali gynecologists to abort girls held at military installations. But for those at the Dacca cantonment it is too late for abortion. The military has begun freeing the girls a few at a time, still carrying the babies of Pakistani soldiers.

A Million Dead. No one knows how many have died in the seven-month-old civil war. But in Karachi, a source with close connections to Yahya's military regime concedes: "The generals say the figure is at least 1,000,000." Punitive raids by the Pakistani army against villages near sites sabotaged by the Mukti Bahini, the Bengali liberation army, are an everyday occurrence.

The fighting is expected to increase sharply in the next few weeks, with the end of the monsoon rains. Both the Pakistani army, most of whose 80,000 troops are bunkered down along the Indian border, and the Mukti Bahini, with as many as 60,000 guerrilla fighters, have said that they will soon open major new military offensives.

Plentiful Arms. On a recent trip deep into Mukti Bahini territory, TIME Correspondent Dan Coggin found an almost surreal scene. He cabled:

"Leaving the road behind, I entered a strange world where water is seasonal king and the only transport is a large, cane-covered canoe known as the country boat. For seven hours we plied deeper into Gopalganj subdivision in southern Faridpur district. The two wiry oarsmen found their way by taking note of such landmarks as a forlornly decaying maharajah's palace and giant butterfly nets hovering like outsized flamingos on stilt legs at water's edge.

"As darkness approached, we were able to visit two neighboring villages, with about 25 guerrillas living among the local folk in each. The guerrillas were mostly men in their 20s, some ex-college students, others former soldiers, militiamen and police. Their arms were various but plentiful, and they had ammunition, mines and grenades.

"A Mukti Bahini captain told me that the Bengali rebels are following the three-stage guerrilla warfare strategy of the Viet Cong, and are now in the first phase of organization and staging hit-and-run attacks. So far the guerrillas in the captain's area of operations have lost about 50 men, and larger army attacks are expected. But the Mukti Bahini plan to mount ambushes and avoid meeting army firepower headon.

"On my way back to Dacca next day, I came upon a convoy trucker who had been waiting for five days for his turn to board a ferry and cross the miles-wide junction of the great Ganges and Brahmaputra rivers. As we huddled under the tailgate to keep dry, a shopkeeper joined us. Gazing at the puddle forming beneath us, he said: 'Even the skies are weeping for this land.' "

Always Hungry. As conditions within East Pakistan have worsened, so have those of the refugees in India. The stench from poor sanitation facilities hangs heavy in the air. Rajinder Kumar, 32, formerly a clerk in Dacca, says he is "always hungry" on his daily grain ration of 300 grams (about 1½ cups). His three children each get half that much. "They cry for more," he says, "but there isn't any more."

Malnutrition has reached desperate proportions among the children. Dr. John Seamon, a British doctor with the Save the Children Fund who has traveled extensively among the 1,000 or so scattered refugee camps estimates that 150,000 children between the ages of one and eight have died, and that 500,000 more are suffering from serious malnutrition and related diseases.

It is now officially estimated that refugees will swell to 12 million by the end of the year. The cost to the Indian government for the fiscal year ending next March 31 may run as high as $830 million. The U.S. so far has supplied $83.2 million for the refugees, and $137 million in "humanitarian" relief inside East Pakistan. Two weeks ago, the Nixon Administration asked Congress to grant an additional $250 million.

Senator Edward Kennedy charges that the U.S. is sending another sort of aid to the subcontinent as well. In spite of a State Department freeze on new military aid shipments to Pakistan, says Kennedy, the Pentagon has signed new defense contracts totaling nearly $10 million with the Pakistan government within the past five months. Kennedy's investigation also revealed that U.S. firms have received State Department licenses to ship to Pakistan arms and ammunition purchased from the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe.

Catalyst for Violence. Observers doubt that the situation would ease even if Yahya were to release Mujib and lift a ban on the Awami League. Where the Bengalis once were merely demanding greater autonomy, they now seem determined to fight for outright independence.

In his speech last week, Yahya also announced that the National Assembly would be convened in December, immediately following by-elections in the East to fill the Assembly seats vacated by disqualified Awami Leaguers. With the main party banned from participation, however, the election is likely to provoke more violence. Already the Mukti Bahini have vowed to treat candidates as dalals ("collaborators").

Nonetheless, Yahya may find himself compelled to put his government at least partly in civilian hands. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, leader of West Pakistan's majority Pakistan People's Party and Yahya's most probable choice for Prime Minister, has become more and more outspoken about "the rule of the generals." Recently he said: "The long night of terror must end. The people of Pakistan must take their destiny in their own hands." Formerly that sort of talk would have landed him in jail. Now even Yahya seems to have recognized that unless the military allows some sort of civilian rule it may face trouble in the West as well as in the ravaged East.
 
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Hello members,

This is my first post on this forum, which I have been visiting very frequently of late and today I decided to join this.

A lot of people including Indians, I meet on a daily basis do have their doubts misplaced in terms of how the act of seeking information from USA is going to help Dhaka in their pursuit of war crimes tribunal. However a post, which has actually made me join this group, says that t is imperative that the Sk Hasina govt ask the USA for information and classified documents on the alleged role of Pak army during the night of March 25th and the period therafter, finally culminating on Dec 16th, 1971.

A nuber of accounts, a large one at that point out the level of information and intelligence that the United States had during and in the aftermath of Operation Searchlight, is particularly disturbing. That the US govt was headed by Mr. Nixon, who allegedly had very good diplomatic relations with Field Marshal Yahya Khan and ZAB. Interesting to know is the fact that during the period in question there was the presence of a large number of diplomats from the US, who were present in Dhaka and were aware of the happenings of March 25th and thereafter. The point of concern today is the fact that how much is the US govt willing to help the Govt of B'desh in pursuing a goal, in what has been a very sensitive issue and should I say a taboo all these years, since the fall of Dacca?

The omnipresence of the americans is there everywhere and to think that they have not been aware or been made aware of the happenings, is just like having the rose tinted glasses on you forcibly, even if it doesnt want to stay put over there.

A famous quote says it all .."Don't squeeze Yahya at this time", which I think even after the passage of 40 odd years since the fall fo Dacca, stands etched in memory like a fine glass cutting, delicate, but having all the virutes/vices to inflict a sharp cut on a an unsuspecting finger...
 
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Mr. Salman Nedian,

I see that you are not comfortable with the comment on the number of people dead during the strife in 1971. Clearly I think your notions are misplaced and that is what is evident from your post.

How can an Indian, be out of this? The immediate effect of the genocide that happened in Bangladesh, were on us, that is the people living on the western part of the now "Fallen" territory. Calcutta streets were full of refugees (with an ethnicity of 80% Hindus), who were forced to leave their holdings to the marauding forces, for a life which did not even have a direction. An allegedly 10 million refugees in an already "bursting to its seams" Calcutta, is not the major issue, but the immense strain on its public spaces, resources and food grains is the frightening part and I think no amount of literature is going to do any good to it.

Pathetic scenes, unprecedented calamity, unseen since 1946 Calcutta riots, had hit Calcutta. So this is the immediate effect we living in Indian bengal had to face post March 25th. And you expect us that we remain spectators.

Let me ask you a very simple thing: this is very ideological, but nevertheless be true someday:

Suppose the Govt of India starts a hate propaganda, which you believe it is quite capable of, of killing, looting, maiming, arson to India's biggest minority group, (Not to be taken personally), and they decide during the course that their western neighbour is the best bet on earth to be in during such a time. So you have your beautiful Islamabad, Lahore and Rawalpindi infested with these Indian refugees. If you think that Gen Ashfaq Kayani, being such a pro-western professional that he is, would be benevolent enough to instruct his government to feed say an arbitrarily 5 million of our people for months together, Or that to stop such a genocide committed by the Indian Govt and the Indian Army of course, your army is not going to cross the International Posts to liberate certain areas?

I hope that your answers should be in that order:

a) No Gen Kayani is not that benevolent a general and he is not going to instruct his govt to feed illegal Indians

b) Yes he shall be forced to steer clear of inhibtions to show some agression against India...thank you
 
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I second what wtf says, rebels are not charged for war crimes, and we never had a situation that the Mukti Bahini guerillas were killing West Pakistanis without rhyme or reason, enough reasons were there. Were the Americans or the Soviets tried for war crimes say after an El-Alamein or the Battle of Stalingrad? The point is justice is necessary for closure and to move ahead and build diplomatic relationship. For Bangladesh it is a core issue and I think that the Hasina govt is right to apporach the process in steps. First Bangaldeshis who colluded with the prepetrators during the war of 71 and then people from other countries which have already been named 35 years ago by the commission formed by ZAB.

And yes who knows, given the current situation in Pakistan, with continuous pressure from Hillary Clinton, the US may armtwist the Pak Govt to send whoever remians from that fateful list. It is another fact that Maj Gen Rao Farman Ali and Lt Gen Tikka Khan are dead and cannot be resurrected.

And yes if Pakistan Govt thinks it appropriate it may also go the Bangla way and ask for people (whoever remains) under the Internatonal Crimes Tribunal Act 1973 to be tried for War crimes..who stops them?
 
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Hey...did someone just mention professional Pak Army officers? Well yes, who has ever denied that except for a a handful of call-girls which Gen Amir Abdullah Niazi was entertaining even as there was heavy shelling in the vicinity? Or can anyone deny the extent of his professionalism when he was charged with "lust for wine, women and real estate" or when he was charged with the infamous smuggling of Paan leaves from East Pakistan? Hallmark of a professional army...
 
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Sympathetic is an euphemism that only the educated can use...that was social repression...during the lecture session at the Dacca University in 1948, Bangladeshi bors can help on that..
 
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33 more sued on charges of '71 war crimes

Thirty-three alleged collaborators of Pakistan occupation forces in 1971 were sued in four districts on charges of war crimes including killing, looting and arson.

Our Satkhira Corres-pondent reports: Thirteen rajakars were sued for allegedly killing a freedom fighter in Shyamnagar upazila.

The complainant Mosammat Kulsum Bibi, daughter of Shaheed Nurman Ali Sheikh of village Kashimari in Shyamnagar upazila yesterday filed the case with the judicial magistrate's court accusing 13 people allegedly for abducting and killing her father Nurman Ali Sheikh of village Kashimari on November 4, 1971.

In Netrakona, three collaborators were sued for allegedly killing a freedom fighter during 1971 war.

Ukiler Ma, wife of Shohor Ali of village Shaldiga under Purbadhala upazila filed the case with Netrakona Senior Judicial Magistrate Court yesterday accusing three of the same village.

Our Staff Correspon-dent from Bogra adds: A murder case was filed with senior judicial magistrate's court of Bogra against Rafique Khan Bihari and his three sons on charges of killing Abdus Sattar Sarker and his brother Jalal Sarker and looting at Joybhoga under Gabtoli upazila of Bogra on November 17, 1971.

The court ordered police to file case with the concerned police station and submit investigation report by May 15.

UNB from Jamalpur adds: Eleven war crime suspects were sued on charge of killing four freedom fighters on May 17, 1971.

Sahera Bewa, wife of martyred FF Jalaluddin of village Kompopur in the poura area, filed the case with the Judicial Magistrate Court (Ga) yesterday for killing all the four including her husband.

A similar case was filed on Monday against a man and his two sons for their involvement in arson and looting valuables from the houses of freedom fighters at Golakati village in Bakshiganj in 1971.

Samiul Haque, a freedom fighter, filed the case with the court of judicial magistrate. The accused along with their accomplices allegedly burnt down 20 houses of the freedom fighters and looted 30 cattle, gold ornaments and other valuables on September 20, 1971.
 
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Well I am sorry to wake up Indians from their wet dream but say good by to War Criminal trial. It's on life support and will die soon. Since La-hasina came back from saudi tour everything is going extra slow and Awami mp's all sudden become deaf and mute. I guess she got the reality dose from the King. Big mouth Awami losers..........
 
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Well I am sorry to wake up Indians from their wet dream but say good by to War Criminal trial. It's on life support and will die soon. Since La-hasina came back from saudi tour everything is going extra slow and Awami mp's all sudden become deaf. I guess she got the reality dose form the King. Big mouth Awami losers..........


Do you support the notion of bringing the culprits to justice?
 
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