BD Government to seek Evidence from Pakistan and USA - War Crime 1971

[gromell]

Racial discrimination is not a small matter as you are assuming there. The complications are huge. Bengalis even did not tolerate the British ill-treatment, so no way we could have been comfortable by the uneven Punjabi dominance. Bengalis were in the forefront of liberation movement against the British where most Muslim Punjabis were allying with the British. in 1857, the Bengal Army revolted for freedom and for Mughal emperor, where the Punjabi regiments defended the British.

 

[gromell]

Doesn’t provide justification to invite enemy in your country.

The jutifications for 71 need not to be provided by me That was created slowly and steadily by West Pakistanis for 24 years. There was no single justification. There were too many, all of them defied rules of Islam.

 

[salman nedian]

The jutification for 71 need not to be provided by me That was created slowly and steadily by West Pakistanis for 24 years. There was no single justification. There were too many, all of them defied rules of Islam.

Blaming only Pakistan is not right. We all are responsible. One cannot say that only Pakistan is responsible, there were Indian involvement from 1947 you need to identify the faults on your side as well.

 

[salman nedian]

Racial discrimination is not a small matter as you are assuming there. The complications are huge. Bengalis even did not tolerate the British ill-treatment, so no way we could have been comfortable by the uneven Punjabi dominance. Bengalis were in the forefront of liberation movement against the British where most Muslim Punjabis were allying with the British. in 1857, the Bengal Army revolted for freedom and for Mughal emperor, where the Punjabi regiments defended the British.

Allama Iqbal who gave the idea of Pakistan was also a Punjabi. You cannot say that they were not part of independence struggle.

 

[gromell]

Allama Iqbal who gave the idea of Pakistan was also a Punjabi. You cannot say that they were not part of independence struggle.

One person may coin certain terms but the idea is generated through a process that involves more than one Allama Iqbal. Lahore Resolution, the formal basis of Pakistan, was proposed by Sher e Bangla A K Fazlul Huq. that resolution contained the proposal of more than one Muslim STATES in south asia, not one. You can read it if you don't believe me. One Pakistan was impractical, given the power hungry feudal based political system in west pakisan and also the self-conciousness of the Bengali population in Bangladesh. Gandhi wanted independence, Nehru wanted independece. Yet all Nehru did was having an affair with Mrs. mountbatten to win his position in India while Netaji Subhash Chandro Bose fought with arms againt the British. Netaji was not any hindu nationalist. Most of his INA Generals were Muslims- pathans, Bengali etc. There you have the bravest of the freedom fighters from '47.

 

[gromell]

UN To Help Bangladesh War Crimes Trial Planning


DHAKA, Bangladesh (AFP)--The U.N. said Wednesday that some of its top war crimes experts would advise Bangladesh on how to try those accused of murder and rape during its bloody 1971 liberation struggle.

The government of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, in power since the beginning of the year, has promised to hold the trials as soon as possible.

"We have suggested the names of some top international experts who have experience in how war crimes tribunals operate across the globe," head of the U.N. in Bangladesh, Renata Lok Dessallien, said.

"This is the first time Bangladesh is conducting war crimes tribunals and it is important it understands how other countries have held them. There are some countries where mistakes were made and we don't want Bangladesh to repeat those mistakes."

She said the U.N. would also look into Bangladeshi law to see whether it complied with international war crimes legislation.

Law minister Shafiq Ahmed welcomed the move, and said the government was expected to announce Thursday that it would begin the investigation into the alleged crimes.

"The U.N. will advise us so that we don't make any mistakes and so that the process is transparent and does not create any questions," Ahmed said.

The U.N.'s move was also welcomed by Amnesty International.

"I hope that the initiative to seek U.N. assistance to address the 1971 war crimes marks the beginning of a process to heal the wounds of this war in the national psyche," said Irene Khan, the group's secretary-general who is of Bangladeshi origin.

The alleged war criminals - who sided with what was then West Pakistan - committed murder, rape and arson as they fought against East Pakistan's struggle to become the independent country of Bangladesh.

The government said three million people were killed during the war.

A private group which has investigated the conflict has blamed 1,775 people, including top Pakistani generals and local Islamists allied with Pakistan, for the atrocities.

UN To Help Bangladesh War Crimes Trial Planning

 

[salman nedian]

UN To Help Bangladesh War Crimes Trial Planning


DHAKA, Bangladesh (AFP)--The U.N. said Wednesday that some of its top war crimes experts would advise Bangladesh on how to try those accused of murder and rape during its bloody 1971 liberation struggle.

The government of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, in power since the beginning of the year, has promised to hold the trials as soon as possible.

"We have suggested the names of some top international experts who have experience in how war crimes tribunals operate across the globe," head of the U.N. in Bangladesh, Renata Lok Dessallien, said.

"This is the first time Bangladesh is conducting war crimes tribunals and it is important it understands how other countries have held them. There are some countries where mistakes were made and we don't want Bangladesh to repeat those mistakes."

She said the U.N. would also look into Bangladeshi law to see whether it complied with international war crimes legislation.

Law minister Shafiq Ahmed welcomed the move, and said the government was expected to announce Thursday that it would begin the investigation into the alleged crimes.

"The U.N. will advise us so that we don't make any mistakes and so that the process is transparent and does not create any questions," Ahmed said.

The U.N.'s move was also welcomed by Amnesty International.

"I hope that the initiative to seek U.N. assistance to address the 1971 war crimes marks the beginning of a process to heal the wounds of this war in the national psyche," said Irene Khan, the group's secretary-general who is of Bangladeshi origin.

The alleged war criminals - who sided with what was then West Pakistan - committed murder, rape and arson as they fought against East Pakistan's struggle to become the independent country of Bangladesh.

The government said three million people were killed during the war.

A private group which has investigated the conflict has blamed 1,775 people, including top Pakistani generals and local Islamists allied with Pakistan, for the atrocities.

UN To Help Bangladesh War Crimes Trial Planning

Good! Go ahead with the Indian agenda. We will see how it happens.

 

[dabong1]

Bangladesh did not send anybody back to Pakistan. Those who chose to remain here they stayed, some wanted to go back even after offered citizenship of Bangladesh but Pakistan did not take them back and eventually they were given citizenship and they are all good now.

I am talking about ethnic punjabis and pahtaans and not the benglais that supported pakistan.......non where allowed to stay in bangladesh.

 

[salman nedian]

Gromell,
Besides all the debate amongst us, I would like to ask you that do you support brotherly and special relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh? Shouldn’t we represent a unified Muslim voice of sub-continent? Shouldn’t Quaid-e-azam be given the same Father of the Nation status in BD?

 

[aussie_1973]

If I wanted to talk on your back, I would not post it on the thread. Anyone with internet access can read my post. How are they then backbiting? I answered someone's comments and question staying on the context.

Islamic brotherhood did not, can not and shall not come on the expense of Munafik killing & raping Muslims and then forgiving those criminals. Full stop

Very true, So on the same note all the Mukti Munafiks who raped and killed West Pakistani and Bihari women and children should be punished too.
And to Al-Zakir and Salman, My dear brothers lets leave this guy alone, as he is free to choose and think whatever he likes for himself. Only Indians are enjoying this debate and we should not make ourselves a laughing stock for them.
I personally think BD can never do anything against the alleged war criminals of Pakistan Army as most of them are dead anyhow.
Even when they were captive in India after the 1971 war, the liberators denied BD request to handover them to BD.

 

[IceCold]

UN To Help Bangladesh War Crimes Trial Planning


DHAKA, Bangladesh (AFP)--The U.N. said Wednesday that some of its top war crimes experts would advise Bangladesh on how to try those accused of murder and rape during its bloody 1971 liberation struggle.

The government of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, in power since the beginning of the year, has promised to hold the trials as soon as possible.

"We have suggested the names of some top international experts who have experience in how war crimes tribunals operate across the globe," head of the U.N. in Bangladesh, Renata Lok Dessallien, said.

"This is the first time Bangladesh is conducting war crimes tribunals and it is important it understands how other countries have held them. There are some countries where mistakes were made and we don't want Bangladesh to repeat those mistakes."

She said the U.N. would also look into Bangladeshi law to see whether it complied with international war crimes legislation.

Law minister Shafiq Ahmed welcomed the move, and said the government was expected to announce Thursday that it would begin the investigation into the alleged crimes.

"The U.N. will advise us so that we don't make any mistakes and so that the process is transparent and does not create any questions," Ahmed said.

The U.N.'s move was also welcomed by Amnesty International.

"I hope that the initiative to seek U.N. assistance to address the 1971 war crimes marks the beginning of a process to heal the wounds of this war in the national psyche," said Irene Khan, the group's secretary-general who is of Bangladeshi origin.

The alleged war criminals - who sided with what was then West Pakistan - committed murder, rape and arson as they fought against East Pakistan's struggle to become the independent country of Bangladesh.

The government said three million people were killed during the war.

A private group which has investigated the conflict has blamed 1,775 people, including top Pakistani generals and local Islamists allied with Pakistan, for the atrocities.

UN To Help Bangladesh War Crimes Trial Planning

I'll be damned if this happens, the current regime of BD is on purpose deliberately raising this issue at the behest of her Indian masters, Pakistan should strongly reject such initiatives and more so in a time when our focus is on more persisting issues rather then digging old graves.

 

[gromell]

Gromell,
Besides all the debate amongst us, I would like to ask you that do you support brotherly and special relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh? Shouldn’t we represent a unified Muslim voice of sub-continent? Shouldn’t Quaid-e-azam be given the same Father of the Nation status in BD?

Yes we must. But as I said not on the expense of criminals getting away with no punishment. Seriously, I don't see how any sane Muslim would try to oppose the trial of criminals, whether they were their own people or others.

Qaid-e-Azam actually started the rift in 1948 with the language issue, he was not sympathetic to us. He was also biased against Bengalis. He was one of the many Muslim league leaders who contributed to the creation of a Muslim land out of India. If he did not do his role somebody else would have. And he alone could not do anything. He was not even a founding member of muslim league was he? and historically, he is not the father of the nation of Bangladesh.

 

[Always Neutral]

The government has decided to ask Pakistan and the USA for information relating to the Liberation War in 1971 and evidence of war crimes ahead of the war crimes trial.


“We are going to request Pakistan and the United States to give the available documents and evidence relating to the war criminals and genocide committed during the Liberation War,” State Minister for Liberation War Affairs ABM Tajul Islam told The Daily Star today.


Such requests are being made under the International Crimes (Tribunal) Act 1973.



Although the evidence and documents Bangladesh have enough to try the war criminals, more documents and evidence are needed to make the trial acceptable worldwide, the minister said

Why do they want it from USA ? Pakistan I can understand.

Regards

 

[gromell]

Why do they want it from USA ? Pakistan I can understand.

Regards

Because, USA was Pakistan's main ally in 1971 and US diplomats were present in Bangladesh then. They wrote telegrams and reports to the government. and for obvious reason those were kept secret. When USA was advocating Pakistan's point of view in UN, US diplomats termed Pakistan Army's activity as "Genocide" and "selective genocide" in their reports to Washington. The American Consul General to East Pakistan was Archer Kent Blood.

The Blood telegram (April 6, 1971) was seen as one of the most strongly worded démarches ever written by Foreign Service Officers to the State Department[3]. It was signed by 29 Americans. The telegram stated:

Our government has failed to denounce the suppression of democracy. Our government has failed to denounce atrocities. Our government has failed to take forceful measures to protect its citizens while at the same time bending over backwards to placate the West Pak[istan] dominated government and to lessen any deservedly negative international public relations impact against them. Our government has evidenced what many will consider moral bankrupt,(...) But we have chosen not to intervene, even morally, on the grounds that the Awami conflict, in which unfortunately the overworked term genocide is applicable, is purely an internal matter of a sovereign state. Private Americans have expressed disgust. We, as professional civil servants, express our dissent with current policy and fervently hope that our true and lasting interests here can be defined and our policies redirected.

(U.S. Consulate (Dacca) Cable, Dissent from U.S. Policy Toward East Pakistan, April 6, 1971, Confidential, 5 pp. Includes Signatures from the Department of State. Source: RG 59, SN 70-73 Pol and Def. From: Pol Pak-U.S. To: Pol 17-1 Pak-U.S. Box 2535;

In an earlier telegram (March 27, 1971), Blood wrote about American observations at Dhaka under the subject heading "Selective genocide":

1. Here in Decca we are mute and horrified witnesses to a reign of terror by the Pak[istani] Military. Evidence continues to mount that the MLA authorities have list of AWAMI League supporters whom they are systematically eliminating by seeking them out in their homes and shooting them down
2. Among those marked for extinction in addition to the A.L. hierarchy are student leaders and university faculty. In this second category we have reports that Fazlur Rahman head of the philosophy department and a Hindu, M. Abedin, head of the department of history, have been killed. Razzak of the political science department is rumored dead. Also on the list are the bulk of MNA's elect and number of MPA's.
3. Moreover, with the support of the Pak[istani] Military. non-Bengali Muslims are systematically attacking poor people's quarters and murdering Bengalis and Hindus.
(U.S. Consulate (Dacca) Cable, Selective genocide, March 27, 1971

Those non-bengalis attacking Bengalis were Biharis. They raped, looted and killed Bengalis under the blessings of Pakistan Army. It is not a surprise that there were punishment inflicted upon them afterwards by Bengalis.
Also, CIA was monitoring the situation closely and they have documents on Pakistan Army's activity from '71. There are high profile war criminals who took shelter in USA.

 

[wtf]

3 million people were not killed, not possible. Even your own countrymen deny this false claim. What I can only say that use your brain and do not speak the language of others. Let me clear this that if you keep on repeating the same trial story that would be disastrous for the whole sub-continent. Do not force Pakistan for any thing wrong.

Here is a compilation of Death tolls by a variety of sources (he gives links, so you can always check). His figure is a million and a quarter after averaging everything.
Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Official Bangladeshi count is 3 million dead.
Here is another source (STATISTICS OF PAKISTAN'S DEMOCIDE) from a US University website which again says 3 million dead.

Stop threatening Bangladesh, for heavens sake.