Banning google years ago. The most farsighted decision made by Chinese government

[Chhatrapati]

Indian hindu is CEO of google. He is involved in these type of activities against China.

Spoken like a true Pakistani

 

[gambit]

I'm ready to jump ship and adapt to any blockbuster English internet platform that huawei comes up with(I use baidu for my Chinese platform needs)

Jump ship and straight into the deep.

How many yrs will it take for Huawei to replace those suppliers?

 

[CHN Bamboo]

Yes, there are.

There are enough that Chinese gives each other guides on how to use VPN to access web sites forbidden by the Party. Am willing to say that YOU know how to use VPN.


Not out of curiosity. You want to know more than just what the Party feeds you. That alone is enough to make an indictment of your system.

Just try www.bilibili.com
Youtube lacks animation, games, music and dance videos in Chinese/English language.
The whole Chinese(language) ecosphere of Youtube is too bad.

I can find hundreds of MMDS related to my favorite animations on Bilibili, but it can't be done on Youtube at all.

*I almost forgot that bilibili had anime beautiful girls live broadcast, and I didn't find anything like that on US websites. With all due respect, Youtube has nothing to attract Chinese audiences.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av52890137

 

[rott]

Do not think so.


Then why so many Chinese uses VPN to access Western software and web sites?


Then why the need for VPN by so many Chinese?

Lmao... Same like saying America is so great why need to go out of America. Just stay there.

 

[gambit]

Lmao... Same like saying America is so great why need to go out of America. Just stay there.

We leave the US to play, unlike many Chinese mothers who need to go to the US to give births so their children can have US citizenship. Big difference.

 

[Mista]

The whole Chinese(language) ecosphere of Youtube is too bad.

That's because the Chinese YouTube environment is basically supported by only 23 million Taiwanese, and maybe some overseas Chinese/occasional mainland Chinese who jumped over the wall. The top Chinese videos have lesser viewership than Koreans/Japanese videos.

A foreigner is more likely to accidentally stumble into a Korean video than a Chinese video and get hooked onto Korean culture. One thing the Koreans did right was to sub their official MVs/dramas/variety shows in English, while most official Chinese videos don't bother subbing even though there are some foreigner who request for it.

 

[Microsoft]

I don't know about Pakistan. But here we don't use Google maps. We use waze.

Waze is owned by Google, unless you have a different waze

 

[Basel]

Go troll someone else. This will not fly with me.


Hmm. I have no experience with Waze, and not sure about its coverage in other countries including Pakistan. Google Maps is global and accessible on one click on the other hand.

Many Pakistani are using Google Maps for navigation because majority have smartphones with Android + Google Maps installed and configured by default. Uber, in particular, have made travelling in cities very very convenient for a large number of people here in Pakistan. Public transport arrangements in Pakistani cities are underwhelming, traffic conditions are increasingly chaotic, and cabs are very expensive otherwise.

As another member pointed out earlier, Google is not just an application but an eco-system with lot of services, uses and benefits; not feasible to abandon it.

China might be in the position to afford localized solutions however.

Masses in Pakistan even don't have smart phone so leave about they even know Google, only urban areas use Google service and even those are not that high and if Government decided to ban Google in Pakistan it will not hurt masses and daily business.

 

[LeGenD]

Masses in Pakistan even don't have smart phone so leave about they even know Google, only urban areas use Google service and even those are not that high and if Government decided to ban Google in Pakistan it will not hurt masses and daily business.

Have a look: https://www.pta.gov.pk/en/telecom-indicators

1. Huge number of Pakistani are using smartphones now.

2. Not wise to assert that banning Google will make no difference in Pakistan, numerous services and sectors will take a hit here, and potential alternatives aren't good enough.

China have an authoritarian regime, we do not need to follow in its footsteps at every turn. We choose our own path and capitalize on best possible services out there.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

We choose our own path and capitalize on best possible services out there.

In some parts of Pakistan, children were not allowed to play in the open when the weather was fine because the not authoritarian, free, and democratic USA showered the children and farmers with lots of services from the sky.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Jump ship and straight into the deep.

How many yrs will it take for Huawei to replace those suppliers?

Do u work at Huawei? How do u know whether Huawei has any backup components to those ?

I repeat: it may take awhile, but I'm ready to jump ship and adapt to whatever Huawei dishes out. It helps that gmail was never my primary email address BTW. I use yahoo mail.






Btw- just curious; which hand do u use to wipe ur *** with?

 

[CHN Bamboo]

That's because the Chinese YouTube environment is basically supported by only 23 million Taiwanese, and maybe some overseas Chinese/occasional mainland Chinese who jumped over the wall. The top Chinese videos have lesser viewership than Koreans/Japanese videos.

A foreigner is more likely to accidentally stumble into a Korean video than a Chinese video and get hooked onto Korean culture. One thing the Koreans did right was to sub their official MVs/dramas/variety shows in English, while most official Chinese videos don't bother subbing even though there are some foreigner who request for it.

In any case, YouTube is not attractive at all because of the lack of high quality content that attracts Chinese people.
And it has not outperformed its Chinese counterparts in terms of performance at all.

What that American said was really funny. He doesn't seem to be in the same universe with me.

 

[xyxmt]

It's very easy to over come these. Just use a VPN.

yes until govt start banning VPN services

 

[Tom M]

Shouldn't European and other countries follow China's step? Leave google and american softwares away before too late.

Exactly why?? Just because U.S had declared ban on a Chinese company, huh ??

 

[gambit]

Do u work at Huawei? How do u know whether Huawei has any backup components to those ?

This is not a valid response.

No, I do not work at Huawei and no, I do not know if the company have any backup components or suppliers. But your response revealed an ignorance of manufacturing in general.

Suppliers are always eager to do business with you, but if you tell me that I would be relegated to 'backup' status, I would tell you to 'have a nice day' and I would move on to the next prospect. You can contact me later and we can collaborate and hopefully we can do business, but I am not going to keep an open line to support your unique products. I cannot afford to make components just to keep them on the shelves just in case you call. I can resurrect my manufacturing lines but the restart cost would be included in any charges to you.

When I used to work for Micron Tech, the company was and still is notorious for keeping obsoleted product designs available for anyone, provided they are willing to pay the cost. NASA decided a certain design of obsoleted DRAM was the best candidate to survive the rigors of space and after finding no one was willing to support its mission, NASA contacted Mu and paid the necessary cost.

So yes, we can assume that Huawei do have reserve components, but for how many days? Not yrs, but days. Storing YRS worth of parts for any 'just in case' scenario is itself a cost, especially if you have multiple sites and multiple product lines. The main -- if not the only -- reason you keep days worth of components is to compensate for any on-site events such as a storm that cut your power and damaged a product line under critical manufacturing processes. Human caused events like a technician accidentally bumped into an 'emergency power off' (EPO) button on a critical machine. A new product line start up of a new design. And more situations.

But a reserve of components is not the same as having suppliers waiting hands-and-feet to you. I do not care how large and/or important you are, not even if you are Apple or Microsoft or Boeing or NASA. Holding unique components for you does not guarantee profits for me. It just cost me storage space but nothing to you.

Having multiple suppliers of the same product is a viable option and many companies actually do take that route. But the law of supply and demand matters. The less I produce for you, the higher the cost per unit to you. The other supplier(s) will do the same to you. And in the end, you will end up paying an overall higher cost per unit for the convenience of having multiple suppliers. The laws of business are as solid as the laws of nature.

So let us take a look at Huawei's list of suppliers again, shall we...Specifically the ones that supplies connectors...

Amphenol is the only US supplier of connectors. But what kind of connectors and for what applications inside Huawei's products? The same question applies to the other connectors suppliers. What if Amphenol -- like Micron Tech -- is the only supplier of connectors that Huawei need? What if the same issue applies to the other connectors suppliers? Each of them sells unique connectors to Huawei that the others do not.

Critical thinking is clearly not in your toolbox, compounded worse by your non experience in manufacturing.

I repeat: it may take awhile,...

How long is that 'awhile' are you going to endure?

Btw- just curious; which hand do u use to wipe ur *** with?

None. I have not urinate nor defecate in decades. My body is so efficient that it process everything I ingest to the fullest. The only thing my body excretes is sweat for cooling.