Bangladesh Air Force buys J-10C fighters, K-8W trainers from China

[monitor]

News not sudden earliar tihs report were published .

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Jun 6, 2017
China Offered Bangladesh Air Force J-10B Fighter Jet, Y-20 Heavy Lift Transport & KJ-200 AEW&CS Aircrafts worth $1Bn in Soft Loan to Counter India-Bangladesh Defence Agreement

China giving $1 billion to Bangladesh Air Force to buy Chengdu J-10B, Y-20 heavy lift transport aircraft and many more. A Russian blog and East Pendulum twitter account tweeted that Bangladesh and China negotiating each-other for $1 bn arms deal almost all of which is related to aircrafts. China offered 16 Chengdu J-10B, 1 Xian Y-20 heavy lift military transport aircraft, 1 Shaanxi KJ-200 AEW&C aircraft, and 7 K-8W Karakorum intermediate jet trainer aircrafts to Bangladesh Air Force.

China trying to counter india’s $500 million loan to Bangladesh to buy Russian weapons. It is now prestige issue for Beijing to maintain high-ground regarding Dhaka. Delhi offered military training, arms and other supports during indian defense minister monohor porikar’s Dhaka visit, which Bangladesh Armed Forces rejected then.

Still this is a rumor, though, experts believe that what is rumored regarding China-Bangladesh military dealings is true. Because previously Bangladesh bought Chinese fighter trainers to train BAF’s combat pilots. Many Bangladeshi pilots got training in China for flying J-10 fighter jets. And this is expected for many days that BAF would buy Chengdu J-10B jets in some number.

As BAF currently operating Lockheed Martin C-130J Hercules medium transport aircrafts and need a bigger one, they choose newly developed Chinese heavy lift Y-20 military transport aircraft which is analogous to American C-17 Globemaster III.

 

[Hassan Guy]

it is about platform, single engine and double engine and BAF is already maintaining it.
single engine platform has less operational cost.
BAF always look for combat readiness rather than just storing.
and when you are importer, always diversify so that you must not depend on one particular party to keep operational force.
PAF, IAF and all other importers do same

PAF is fairly self reliant, its not as dependent as the majority of importers tho

 

[BDforever]

PAF is fairly self reliant, its not as dependent as the majority of importers tho

yet PAF uses different imported platforms from different countries.

 

[Hassan Guy]

yet PAF uses different imported platforms from different countries.

obviously, who doesn't fly a c-130

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

How?
Doesn't make any sense for me? China is seller and Pakistan & Bangladesh are buyer.

How come?

Well, K8 aircrafts are manufactured jointly by Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation (HAIC) of China and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

So, Pakistan will get their fair share of profit...

 

[BDforever]

obviously, who doesn't fly a c-130

why are you taking it as insult ? I am saying that it makes sense in order to reduce dependency on particular party.

 

[Hassan Guy]

why are you taking it as insult ? I am saying that it makes sense in order to reduce dependency on particular party.

nah man i never took it that way what you on about

im just saying its just kind of wrong label PAF as an importer entirely

 

[Nilgiri]

@idune, being an Indian, you do not want BD to arm itself. All your posts suggest that you want BD to take an eternal submissive role to India. Please come with the flag of talented @Nilgiri and then talk irrationally like your other compatriot Indians. In this forum, you yourself have become a hoax.

LOL why you always bring me into this stuff.

Have your BAL thug vs BNP jamati fight between yourselves....just like what is going to happen on large scale this year.

 

[UKBengali]

LOL why you always bring me into this stuff.

Have your BAL thug vs BNP jamati fight between yourselves....just like what is going to happen on large scale this year.

Stop trying to divert the topic.
BNP is finished in BD and the AL will romp home to carry on BD's economic and military development.

On topic - What do you think of J-10Cs in BAF? At least the IAF Rafale's will have a peer in S Asia.

 

[Centaur]

Stop trying to divert the topic.


On topic - What do you think of J-10Cs in BAF? At least the IAF Rafale's will have a peer in S Asia.

Hello mate ,I am surprised that China is really making very good planes. It's a good news ,I just never searched for such thing ,and made some assumption based on pre conceived idea that Chinese products are junk !
Now at least trying to find real information from various sources .

Here is a comparison with Rafale . It's impressive!
I don't know if such sites are authentic or not, yet if this comparison is based on professional opinion then surely China is making real good things with very low cost .
Btw , maybe you were right when you claimed that (in another thread)China is making better stuffs than Russia !

 

[The Ronin]

Chengdu J-10B/C
Type: Multirole fighter
Designer: AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute)
Manufacturer: AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC)
First flight: December 2008 (J-10B); December 2013 (J-10C)
Introduction: 2014 (J-10B); 2016 (J-10C)
Operators: PLA Air Force, PLA Navy
Crew: 1
In-flight refuelling: Yes (fixed probe)
The J-10B/C are the latest development variants of the Chengdu J-10 fighter family, with substantial upgrade and redesign in airframe, avionics, and weapon systems. The variant currently in production is the J-10C, which first flew in December 2013 and entered operational service in 2016. The aircraft, equipped with an AESA radar and new-generation air-to-air missiles, is regarded as approaching the 4.5-generation fighter standards.

J-10B
The improved J-10B single-seat fighter began flight test in December 2008. The most distinctive feature of this variant is its chin-mounted diffuser supersonic inlet (DSI), which employs a one-piece bump at the top of the inlet replacing the original movable ramp on the basic variant J-10. This eliminates all moving parts on the inlet, lightening the overall weight and reducing the aircraft’s radar signature.

The J-10B has been added with an electronic-optic targeting system (EOTS). Placed forward of the cockpit canopy to the right, the system comprises an infrared search and track (IRST) sensor and a laser rangefinder, which can detect enemy targets passively without requiring to turn on the fire-control radar, thus reducing the chance of the aircraft being detected.

The aircraft has also been upgraded with an improved suite of avionics, including an indigenous passive electronically scanned array (PESA) fire-control radar, capable of engaging 4 targets simultaneously. The upper edge of the aircraft’s tailfin is curved, in contrast to the straight-edged tailfin of the J-10. A large fairing is added to the tip of the tailfin to accommodate electronic warfare and countermeasures (EW/ECM) equipment. There are also four black electronic countermeasures (ECM) antenna arrays attached externally to the fuselage, a larger one on either side of the cockpit and a smaller one on either side of the rear fuselage near the engine nozzle.

After years of flight testing and evaluation, the J-10B finally entered operational service with the PLAAF in 2014, when the production of the basic variant J-10A stopped. The J-10B production continued until May 2015, after some 50 examples had been delivered. The production has subsequently switched to the newer J-10C variant.

J-10C
The latest addition to the J-10 family is the J-10C single-seat fighter, which made first flight in December 2013. This variant is almost identical to the B variant in appearance, but features an indigenous active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire-control radar and increased use of composite materials in its airframe for reduced radar cross section (RCS) profile. The aircraft began delivery to the PLAAF in late 2016, and was first unveiled during the flypast on 30 July 2017 to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PLA.

Armaments
Fixed armaments of the J-10 include an internally-mounted Type 23-3 twin-barrel 23mm cannon, located on the port side of the front landing gear. The aircraft has 11 external stores stations for weapon carriage, three under each wing and five under the fuselage. The centreline under-fuselage station and the two inbound wing stations are pumped to carry drop tanks, with an 800-litre tank for the centreline station and a 1,700-litre tanks for each of the wing stations. The two under-fuselage stations at front (under air intake) could be used to carry various targeting or navigation pods for operations at night and in complex weather conditions.

For air-to-air missions, the aircraft can carry PL-8 IR-homing SRAAM, PL-10 IIR-homing SRAAM, PL-12 active radar-homing MRAAM (70—10 km range), and PL-15 active radar-homing LRAAM (>200 km range).

For ground/surface strike missions, the aircraft can carry YJ-83K anti-ship missile (active radar-homing, 180 km range), KD-88 air-launched cruise missile (TV/IIR-homing, 180—200 km range), YJ-91 anti-radiation missile (120 km range), 250 kg Laser-guided bombs, 250 kg low-drag general-purpose bombs, and 90-mm unguided rocket pods. For delivering precision-guided munitions, the aircraft can carry various Chinese indigenous targeting pods.

A recent photo on the Chinese social media shows the J-10B in a suppression of enemy air defence (SEAD) mission configuration, with two YJ-91 ARMs carried on the inbound wing stations, two PL-8 SRAAMs on the outbound wing stations, as well as a KG500 electronic countermeasures (ECM) pod and a targeting pod on the under-fuselage stations.

Engine
The J-10B/C retained the same powerplant configuration as the basic variant J-10, with a single AL-31FN turbofan engine built by Moscow-based Salyut Machine Building Enterprise (now NPO Saturn), rated at 76.2 kN (7,770 kg, 17,130 lb) dry and 122.55 kN (12,500 kg, 27,557 lb) with afterburning. The aircraft can be fitted with a fixed in-flight refuelling probe, allowing it to be refuelled by the Xi’an HY-6 tanker.

How to identify the differences between B and C.

@Genesis make it real.

 

[Sankpal]

Well, K8 aircrafts are manufactured jointly by Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation (HAIC) of China and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

So, Pakistan will get their fair share of profit...

Nope, it is like that bae hawk trainer ( Indian version}). But Pakistan also investigated financial for development.

You need to understand between joint development and assembly after fully developed aircraft with customized version for you. Example- su 30 to su mki.. etc

It depends.
The concept is quite similar to JF17. Both were developed by China at first for PAF, so there was coordination at first, including finance. But later exports may or may not involve Pakistan.
For example, K8 for Egypt took Pakistan out of the equation.

So it's up to Bangladesh and China if they want to involve Pakistan or not.

Agreed, aircraft is developed by China and customize as per Pakistan and other countries requirements by China. So depends on China and source of buyer I guess if customer coming thru reference from existing customer

 

[The Ronin]

You guys asked for proof picture - this is the closest thing I can give to you without disclosing the IDs of the concerned officers.

- Bangladesh Air Force sent pilots to China for training
- Note the snow fall in winter
- The Bangladesh Air Force sweater with insignia
- PLAAF jacket on top of the BAF uniform

Our theory is that BAF will not send pilots to China to learn how to fly fly F-7s and K-8Ws.

- Pilot training is expensive and BAF is sending batches
- Usually an air force sends batches of pilots if they are receiving new aircraft to allow the whole squadron to get trained up on the new platforms
- Pilots who went there are not confirming or denying when prompted
- Anisul Haq, the Law Minister & member responsible for Defence Ministry at the Parliament stated already that the government procuring a squadron of MRCAs for Cox's Bazar
- Chinese delegation from CATIC and CPMIEC visited Dhaka on March 2017 with an offer for J-10, JF-17 with ToT and adequate accessories. BAF possibly agreed on the J-10 but declined the JF-17.
- Awami League government needs China's backing ahead of the elections to stay in power because BNP will be desperate. The J-10 procurement would buy it some good will to compensate for the strained relations over the Rohingya affair.
- The F-7MBs would be withdrawn by 2019 but some were overhauled to remain in service until 2024 however F-7MBs will get replaced soon with a single engined equivalent.
- J-10B did not have AESA and BAF specifically asked for AESA on Russian MRCA tender and also miG-29SE upgrade tender with Zhuk ME FCR.

All these signs point to induction of J-10C in to the Bangladesh Air Force.

I could be totally wrong but if I am right its a good deal for BAF, which is in desperate need of more combat aircraft.

This deal will be a government to government deal whereas the Russian deal for heavy MRCA was through tender with competing offers from two Russian aviation manufacturers including Irkut Corp and KnAAPO.

Lets hope for the best. 2018 will be a make or break year for the BAF because if BNP comes to power you can forget MRCA deals for a while.

You all haters can go to sleep now.

 

[bluesky]

@WebMaster @The Eagle are going against their own rule. They are allowing PDF to be bdmilitary.com propaganda site and allowing trolling.

What makes you worried? Do you think BAF will be a menace to your IA? Ask your modi to become a good boy.

 

[The Ronin]

This might be helpful too to support this news.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=696251057218474