BAF to induct Su-30SME from Russia

[Imran Khan]

Do not worry. Our 12-year-old @UKBengali will certainly kill all those big birds with his toy pistol while sitting in the Yak-130 cockpit. He is an exceptionally meritorious BD boy. Probably, this is an effect of watching animation all the time.

lolllz

Yes off course, that's why we are arming our Super Mashaq trainers so they could save us from YAK-130s.

ohhh yeah i forget mighty super mashaq .its also have #17 MFI-17 .

 

[gambit]

In this case the Yak-130 will already be in air-to-air mode and hence it's munitions will be air-to-air missiles like R-73.

That does not make the Yak-130 a 'fighter' aircraft. It is a 'fighter' figuratively, not technically.

There is a reason why the USAF used the F-5 as its trainer -- because we want to train our pilots in as 'real world' conditions as possible. The T-38 is an F-5 minus armaments.

An A-10 can fight another aircraft as long as that other aircraft is not a fighter by design. Every A-10 pilot knows that.

The A-10 would defeat any WW II era fighter in any situation. But against the Korean War vintage F-86 and MIG-15? Both of these jets were designed as 'fighter' and their physical configurations showed. The A-10 would have a difficult time in air-air combat against them. In air-air combat, the combat radius figure is irrelevant. Maybe the A-10 pilot could outlast the MIG-15 because of the MIG's gun ammo count, but not against the F-86. The A-10 is tough, but enough .50 cal hits will bring the A-10 down.

As stated earlier about the F-5/T-38, how close is the Yak-130 to being a 'fighter'? Closer than the A-10 which is about %99 an 'attack' design?

 

[Destranator]

A "fighter" aircraft can simply attain supersonic speeds and bugger off before any subsonic AJT can even lock them down.

@UKBengali 's argument may have some validity in the hypothetical and unlikely scenario where JF-17s face Yak-130s all armed with R-73s in a 1:10 ratio WVR (i.e., the Thunder pilots are stupid enough to get that close without launching BVR missiles).

In a combat scenario Yak-130 are only good against ground targets and helicopters.

 

[UKBengali]

A "fighter" aircraft can simply attain supersonic speeds and bugger off before any subsonic AJT can even lock them down.

@UKBengali 's argument may have some validity in the hypothetical and unlikely scenario where JF-17s face Yak-130s all armed with R-73s in a 1:10 ratio WVR (i.e., the Thunder pilots are stupid enough to get that close without launching BVR missiles).

In a combat scenario Yak-130 are only good against ground targets and helicopters.

Yak-130 has an 85km radar that can track 10 and attack 4 targets simultaneously. It can fire the R-73 WVRAAM head on at JF-17.
Russia is even thinking about creating a version with upgraded engines and radar that can fire the R-77 BVRAAM. BD should buy this version if available when it orders more YAK-130s.
While it will lose more times than it wins against JF-17, in a hypothetical scenario where it gets into a dogfight against a JF-17 at low to medium altitude, pilot skill may decide who wins.
Remember that a manuverable near supersonic plane with good radar and missile does not have much of a disadvantage at low to medium altitude against a supersonic fighter.

 

[Destranator]

Yak-130 has an 85km radar that can track 10 and attack 4 targets simultaneously. It can fire the R-73 WVRAAM head on at JF-17.
Russia is even thinking about creating a version with upgraded engines and radar that can fire the R-77 BVRAAM. BD should buy this version if available when it orders more YAK-130s.
While it will lose more times than it wins against JF-17, in a hypothetical scenario where it gets into a dogfight against a JF-17 at low to medium altitude, pilot skill may decide who wins.
Remember that a manuverable near supersonic plane with good radar and missile does not have much of a disadvantage at low to medium altitude against a supersonic fighter.

Let us set aside the talk of BVR-capable Yak-130s which do not exist yet let alone being inducted by BAF.

The scenario you are describing is improbable. Why on Earth would UMAF allow their slowest fighter jets to get that close to Yak-130s knowing they may be armed with R-73s??

Our Yaks will be skittled out by their Sukhois and MiGs before they even allow their Thunders to cross the border and engage ground targets.

 

[Nike]

But, who can teach this simple thing to a talkative @Marine Rouge? She is bent on proving that BAF bought the trainer light aircraft only for a combat role. Keep on blabbering Ms. @Marine Rouge.

Ask @UKBengali

LoL, Bangladesh section is fun

 

[UKBengali]

Let us set aside the talk of BVR-capable Yak-130s which do not exist yet let alone being inducted by BAF.

The scenario you are describing is improbable. Why on Earth would UMAF allow their slowest fighter jets to get that close to Yak-130s knowing they may be armed with R-73s??

Our Yaks will be skittled out by their Sukhois and MiGs before they even allow their Thunders to cross the border and engage ground targets.

You may be surprised how often BVR fighters get into dogfights.

I am pretty certain that MAF planes will not have an advanced enough friend-or-foe system that will allow them to know for sure whether it is a BAF or MAF plane that they are engaging.

With it's advanced radar, near supersonic top speed and the R-73 all-aspect missile, BAF Yak-130s will still present a decent threat to the MAF Mig-29s and JF-17s. Also you need to remember that 8 BAF Mig-29s will be providing support as well.

Everyone knows that BAF will be outgunned by MAF currently but it can still inflict some considerable losses on the 50 or so Mig-29s/SU-30SMEs and JF-17s that MAF will soon have. It will not be a cakewalk for the MAF.

 

[Avicenna]

You may be surprised how often BVR fighters get into dogfights.

I am pretty certain that MAF planes will not have an advanced enough friend-or-foe system that will allow them to know for sure whether it is a BAF or MAF plane that they are engaging.

With it's advanced radar, near supersonic top speed and the R-73 all-aspect missile, BAF Yak-130s will still present a decent threat to the MAF Mig-29s and JF-17s. Also you need to remember that 8 BAF Mig-29s will be providing support as well.

Everyone knows that BAF will be outgunned by MAF currently but it can still inflict some considerable losses on the 50 or so Mig-29s/SU-30SMEs and JF-17s that MAF will soon have. It will not be a cakewalk for the MAF.

Listen, the mission for the BAF is primarily defensive. Bangladesh is not gonna go around starting fights.

EVER.

So in that respect, whatever it buys needs to fit into a comprhensive defensive system.

Whether that means fighters, radars, AEW/AWACS, SAMS, communications, infrastructure, etc..

A part of defense of course is to have some sort of offensive capability but in BAF case is to disrupt enemy operations in the tactical theater. i.e. Air interdiction missions.

The force structure should be built with this in mind. Not neccisarily with what the MAF is fielding.

Again, my education in this is that of a layman’s. I only played flight sims with campaigns and Harpoon so I really don’t know anything.

I wonder if @gambit can offer his insight into the current state of the BAF and what it needs to do to become an effective fighting force given its geographic and political situation at present.

 

[gambit]

You may be surprised how often BVR fighters get into dogfights.

Only when there are rules of engagements that forces fighters into WVR situations. One common ROE is that of positive identification. The word 'positive' here means there can be no doubt that a target is either hostile or friendly. The absence of an IFF response does not mean the bogey is hostile.

A 'bogey' is an unidentified radar target.

A 'bandit' is a radar target that is deemed hostile.

So in the absence of an IFF response with an ROE of positive identification means a WVR situation. There are more subordinate factors but the main reason why WVR situations exists is because of ROE.

 

[UKBengali]

Only when there are rules of engagements that forces fighters into WVR situations. One common ROE is that of positive identification. The word 'positive' here means there can be no doubt that a target is either hostile or friendly. The absence of an IFF response does not mean the bogey is hostile.

A 'bogey' is an unidentified radar target.

A 'bandit' is a radar target that is deemed hostile.

So in the absence of an IFF response with an ROE of positive identification means a WVR situation. There are more subordinate factors but the main reason why WVR situations exists is because of ROE.

This proves exactly my point.

In a BD/Myanmar air war the airspace is likely to be so congested that MAF fighters like Mig-29 and Jf-17 will need to go within WVR to be able to be sure they are actually targeting BAF fighters and not their own.
BAF Yak-130s are just as manuverable and have the same high subsonic speed as any MAF fighter, and so can fight almost one on one with MAF fighters and pilot skill will mainly be the deciding factor.

We need to remember that the 4th generation fighters that Myanmar have will be the least advanced and BD still some combat capable Mig-29s.
Any air war between BAF and MAF will certainly result in a MAF victory but MAF will suffer considerable losses.

 

[tarpitz]

You may be surprised how often BVR fighters get into dogfights.

I am pretty certain that MAF planes will not have an advanced enough friend-or-foe system that will allow them to know for sure whether it is a BAF or MAF plane that they are engaging.

With it's advanced radar, near supersonic top speed and the R-73 all-aspect missile, BAF Yak-130s will still present a decent threat to the MAF Mig-29s and JF-17s. Also you need to remember that 8 BAF Mig-29s will be providing support as well.

Everyone knows that BAF will be outgunned by MAF currently but it can still inflict some considerable losses on the 50 or so Mig-29s/SU-30SMEs and JF-17s that MAF will soon have. It will not be a cakewalk for the MAF.

Do not forget that MAF also uses Yak 130.
So BAF's Yak 130 won't be a game changer at all.
Do not forget that the role of Yak 130 is just a LIFT-Lead In Fighter Trainer.
And also do not forget that BAF pilots took down 3 Yak 130s in just 1 year.
As long as you have unskilled pilots, MAF doesn't need any BVR or WVR.
BAF pilots will do the job of MAF's BVR/WVR. Coz they are good at destroying own aircraft.
Earlier you have 16 Yak 130 and MAF has only 12. Now you have 13 and MAF got 12.

 

[UKBengali]

Do not forget that MAF also uses Yak 130.
So BAF's Yak 130 won't be a game changer at all.
Do not forget that the role of Yak 130 is just a LIFT-Lead In Fighter Trainer.
And also do not forget that BAF pilots took down 3 Yak 130s in just 1 year.
As long as you have unskilled pilots, MAF doesn't need any BVR or WVR.
BAF pilots will do the job of MAF's BVR/WVR. Coz they are good at destroying own aircraft.
Earlier you have 16 Yak 130 and MAF has only 12. Now you have 13 and MAF got 12.

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Know that MAF also has Yak-130s - you cannot go on the offensive with them.

BAF Yak-130s are ideal for defensive duties and will be able to take on your fighters at low to medium altitude in the subsonic envelope.

Lol @ BAF crashing 3 Yak-130s. These things happen and we do not know the circumstances. BAF is not crashing any of the Mig-29s or J-7s and so nothing really to worry about.

Like I say BD is able to deal with you lot defensively till the next-generation hardware arrives to make you into the little pests that you are.

 

[Imran Khan]

Know that MAF also has Yak-130s - you cannot go on the offensive with them.

BAF Yak-130s are ideal for defensive duties and will be able to take on your fighters at low to medium altitude in the subsonic envelope.

Lol @ BAF crashing 3 Yak-130s. These things happen and we do not know the circumstances. BAF is not crashing any of the Mig-29s or J-7s and so nothing really to worry about.

Like I say BD is able to deal with you lot defensively till the next-generation hardware arrives to make you into the little pests that you are.

so your YAK-130 is stealth and myanmar's ayk-130 is simple yak-130 . have some shame man .please now grow up .

if yak-130 was enough then why Myanmar spend more money to buy real fighter jets ? .for me a fighter jet loaded with BVR missiles will eat alive a YAK-130 from 100 km away before even yak pilot understand what is coming . but you loss all of common sense here as you are blind patriotic person . can not see a real difference between an advance trainer and a fighter jet .
an a commander whom send YAK airborne to fight with fighter jets must be send to jail after war . as he put lives and equipment on risk .
your crow is white .

 

[Gibbs]

Ask @UKBengali

LoL, Bangladesh section is fun

Highlight of the forum is reading clownish posts from that manchild and having a hearty laugh..

 

[AMG_12]

Know that MAF also has Yak-130s - you cannot go on the offensive with them.

BAF Yak-130s are ideal for defensive duties and will be able to take on your fighters at low to medium altitude in the subsonic envelope.

Lol @ BAF crashing 3 Yak-130s. These things happen and we do not know the circumstances. BAF is not crashing any of the Mig-29s or J-7s and so nothing really to worry about.

Like I say BD is able to deal with you lot defensively till the next-generation hardware arrives to make you into the little pests that you are.

Lol, you can't crash Mig-29s because they aren't fly-worthy or BD pilots just taxi it from one end of the runway to the other to get to their super fleet of third generation J7s.