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BTW, Turkey wont lift the blockade against ARM, because they know how bad the deal is.
No, its because Turkey HATES Armenia. From genociding them centuries ago, to the chopping off of Armenian soldiers heads in NK...they just reflect Turkey's hate for Armenia..
 
based on the latest maps, sorry to say but we should be looking into another war sooner or later. Damn wats with this island island fetish... seriously. who on earth would assume its settled for good... 5km corridor leading to a zone governed by armenia right into middle of Azerbaijan new proper mainland.... why give it to Armenia, just for the deal? or its the price for that HW linking mainland Azerbaijan with turkey via that other known island???? wat a mess to be honest.
None the less, Azerbaijan got the most out of it but didnt secure its future properly... another conflict is expected based on this.
 
Truth finally comes out, Armenians leadership knew Shusha was partially lost on the 5th and completely lost on the 7th yet they kept denying and lying to the armenians people
 
BTW, Democrats raised hundreds of millions of USD in donation. That's all going to buying military hardware. Hell, Armenians are already starting to use recently bought Orlan drones to target Azerbaijanis :victory:

Armenia sounds like the biggest permanent gold digger ever created. Once USA and Russia finally divorce this ho, she needs to go to her next husband with a big warning label and the guy must be reminded to get a prenup.
 
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"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
Sun Tzu

I praise Ilham Aliyev and his commanders for their strategy against the Armenian aggression. Armenia had lost this war before it even began. If they want to fight again in the future....they will be thrashed again and lose even more land.

Imsha'Allah
 
Well, it doesn't matter what yours or my feelings are, facts remain facts.

The UAE did withdraw its drones. It temporarily brought them back, but withdrew them again, after a very controversial strike.

US drones have far better performance than Turkish and Chinese drones, that's just a fact. From total ceiling, to payload, to hot/cold terrain, the US is FAAAR ahead in terms of performance, and its proven that through its use of drones in thousands of strikes, in a wide variety of regions. Neither Turkey, nor China can say the same.

US drones are also 100% made in the USA, from engine, to optics, to air frame. Turkish drones still rely on foreign parts. China, while 100% locally made as well, still has major quality control issues, when it comes to engines.

It seems the only reason why you think turkey is far ahead is because Turkey is fairly open about when it uses its drones, including sharing footage.

The US tends to be more secretive, to the point that until recently, it banned the sales of its armed drones for for over a decade, only recently lifting the ban.

Meanwhile, customers of Chinese drones tend to use them in controversial fashion, so they're secretive as well. We tend to find out when they're used by either third party organizations, or CCTV (or similar) footage.

Fact my a$$! The fact is Turkey litterally won 3 wars with its drone tb2 versus other drones which belong to others who are nothing but media hyped world powers. The reality on ground speaks the fact.
Its breathtaking that Turkey coming from way way behind in military technologies only a decade ago is now worlds no1 drone power something china or russia could dream of. As for the US they are all about marketing and theyre only good proving themselves against very weak power who can't defend themselves.

All thanks to Allah swt and credit goes to the leadership of Erdogan that Turkey built and continually building such powerful military technologies
 
Karabakh region will come under Russian control not Armenian control. Russian peacekeepers will control the Lachin corridor and also the road connecting Azerbaijan main land to it's autonomous regions to the west. Russian troops weren't there before in any of those areas. Crimea-North Eastern Ukraine- Abkhazia-South Ossetia and now Karabakh.

Yes, for Azerbaijan this is a victory as it recovered large part of it's territory but I would say real winner is Russia. It will now control parts of Azerbaijan territory (Karabakh- Lachin corridor) and Armenia (road connecting two parts of Azerbaijan). Soviet style imperialism still lives on.
 
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Fact my a$$! The fact is Turkey litterally won 3 wars with its drone tb2 versus other drones which belong to others who are nothing but media hyped world powers. The reality on ground speaks the fact.
Its breathtaking that Turkey coming from way way behind in military technologies only a decade ago is now worlds no1 drone power something china or russia could dream of. As for the US they are all about marketing and theyre only good proving themselves against very weak power who can't defend themselves.

All thanks to Allah swt and credit goes to the leadership of Erdogan that Turkey built and continually building such powerful military technologies

It's unfortunate how fanboyism can blind people into believing things that are not true at worst, or misleading at best.

This is why propaganda is so dangerous, it blinds people. Just like how Armenians were blinded by their propaganda that they were winning, you're blinded by propaganda into believing Turkey is the strongest drone power in the world...its not.

You're free to disagree all you want with me, but facts remain facts.
 
Armenia Azerbaijan: Reports of fresh shelling dent ceasefire hopes
Published12 October
A house destroyed by shelling in Stepanakert, Nagorno-Karabakh
IMAGE COPYRIGHTREUTERS
image captionThe disputed region has seen two weeks of intense fighting
Renewed fighting in and around Nagorno-Karabakh has shattered a ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Officials in the disputed region report clashes in Hadrut, despite a Russian-brokered truce agreed on Saturday.
The enclave is internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenians.
Reports say nearly 500 people, including more than 60 civilians, have been killed in renewed fighting which escalated last month.
Armenia and Azerbaijan fought a six-year war over Nagorno-Karabakh, which ended in 1994 with a ceasefire but no peace treaty.
The recent fighting has also spread outside the disputed region. Azerbaijan reported on Saturday that a missile struck homes in the city of Ganja, killing seven people.
Dozens more were injured in the Ganja apartment blocks hit early, soon after the ceasefire brokered by Russia took effect. Armenia denied responsibility for the destruction there.
The BBC's Orla Guerin visited the scene in Azerbaijan's second-largest city and found no evidence of any military target there. The city lies just north of Nagorno-Karabakh.

media captionOrla Guerin on the scene of the blast in Ganja: "It looks more like all-out war than ceasefire"
Later blasts hit Stepanakert, the main city in Nagorno-Karabakh, say eyewitnesses and Armenian media.
On Monday the heaviest fighting appeared to be around Hadrut, just south of Stepanakert. But shelling was also reported in other areas.
Map of the region

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EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said the "reports of continued military activities, including against civilian targets, as well as civilian casualties" despite the agreement was noted "with extreme concern", according to a statement released on Sunday.
About 70,000 people have been displaced in the latest escalation, officials say. The long-running conflict has simmered ever since the war in the 1990s, when ethnic Armenians - the majority in the territory - broke away from Azerbaijan. Thousands of Azeris were expelled then.
The now-fragile ceasefire was to allow the two countries to exchange prisoners and recover bodies from the recent bout of fighting.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says it will not supervise that operation until the safety of its teams is guaranteed.
Armenia is consulting the Russian government again in Moscow, apparently seeking to salvage the ceasefire.
Meanwhile US celebrity Kim Kardashian West, who is of Armenian heritage, announced on social media that she was donating $1m (£770,000) to a fund for Armenian victims of the conflict.
How did the ceasefire come about?
It was agreed after 10 hours of talks in Moscow. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the two countries would now begin "substantive" talks.
However, Armenian Foreign Minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan later described the talks as "rather difficult" and said Armenia wanted Nagorno-Karabakh to be recognised internationally as an independent state.
Self-declared Karabakh officials echoed this call and accused Azerbaijan of using ceasefire talks as cover to prepare fresh attacks.
Meanwhile, Azeri Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov said not enough pressure had been put on Armenia during the talks and the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh could not remain as it was.
Azerbaijan expected to take control of more territory and the ceasefire would last only as long as it took for the ICRC to arrange for bodies to be exchanged, he said.
Turkey, which backs Azerbaijan, said the truce was Armenia's "last chance" to withdraw forces from the disputed territory.
Armenian, Azeri and Russian foreign ministers at talks
IMAGE COPYRIGHTEPA
image captionThe two countries, mediated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, took 10 hours to agree to a ceasefire
Russia has a military base in Armenia and both are members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) alliance.
However, Moscow also has good relations with Azerbaijan.
What happened after the ceasefire came into force?
Armenia's defence ministry said Azeri forces had launched an attack five minutes after the truce had been due to come into effect, with ethnic Armenian forces responding. Azeri forces were also bombarding a town, the defence ministry said.
Meanwhile Azerbaijan's defence ministry said Armenia was "blatantly violating the ceasefire regime" and firing into the Azeri regions of Terter and Agdam. Armenia denied this.

media captionUnder fire in Nagorno-Karabakh
On Thursday, Armenia accused Azerbaijan of deliberately shelling a historic cathedral in Nagorno-Karabakh. Pictures showed serious damage at the Holy Saviour Cathedral in Shusha city (known as Shushi in Armenian).
At the same time, Azerbaijan said Ganja and the region of Goranboy had been shelled by Armenian forces, with at least one civilian killed.
Speaking to the BBC earlier this week, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan warned of a "genocide" in the region, and said it was "Armenia, land of Armenians".
Stepanakert has suffered several days of shelling with residents sheltering in basements and much of the city left without power.



 
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Ok, according to this Russian map, 80% of NK stays outside of Azeiri control. With a permanent Russian army presence in AZE lands. Russians have deployed tanks already. Agreement called for APC’s. I guess a tank is techincally an APC as it is armoured and carries personnel.
 
Armenia Azerbaijan: Reports of fresh shelling dent ceasefire hopes
Published12 October
A house destroyed by shelling in Stepanakert, Nagorno-Karabakh
IMAGE COPYRIGHTREUTERS
image captionThe disputed region has seen two weeks of intense fighting
Renewed fighting in and around Nagorno-Karabakh has shattered a ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Officials in the disputed region report clashes in Hadrut, despite a Russian-brokered truce agreed on Saturday.
The enclave is internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenians.
Reports say nearly 500 people, including more than 60 civilians, have been killed in renewed fighting which escalated last month.
Armenia and Azerbaijan fought a six-year war over Nagorno-Karabakh, which ended in 1994 with a ceasefire but no peace treaty.
The recent fighting has also spread outside the disputed region. Azerbaijan reported on Saturday that a missile struck homes in the city of Ganja, killing seven people.
Dozens more were injured in the Ganja apartment blocks hit early, soon after the ceasefire brokered by Russia took effect. Armenia denied responsibility for the destruction there.
The BBC's Orla Guerin visited the scene in Azerbaijan's second-largest city and found no evidence of any military target there. The city lies just north of Nagorno-Karabakh.

media captionOrla Guerin on the scene of the blast in Ganja: "It looks more like all-out war than ceasefire"
Later blasts hit Stepanakert, the main city in Nagorno-Karabakh, say eyewitnesses and Armenian media.
On Monday the heaviest fighting appeared to be around Hadrut, just south of Stepanakert. But shelling was also reported in other areas.
Map of the region

1px transparent line

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said the "reports of continued military activities, including against civilian targets, as well as civilian casualties" despite the agreement was noted "with extreme concern", according to a statement released on Sunday.
About 70,000 people have been displaced in the latest escalation, officials say. The long-running conflict has simmered ever since the war in the 1990s, when ethnic Armenians - the majority in the territory - broke away from Azerbaijan. Thousands of Azeris were expelled then.
The now-fragile ceasefire was to allow the two countries to exchange prisoners and recover bodies from the recent bout of fighting.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says it will not supervise that operation until the safety of its teams is guaranteed.
Armenia is consulting the Russian government again in Moscow, apparently seeking to salvage the ceasefire.
Meanwhile US celebrity Kim Kardashian West, who is of Armenian heritage, announced on social media that she was donating $1m (£770,000) to a fund for Armenian victims of the conflict.
How did the ceasefire come about?
It was agreed after 10 hours of talks in Moscow. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the two countries would now begin "substantive" talks.
However, Armenian Foreign Minister Zohrab Mnatsakanyan later described the talks as "rather difficult" and said Armenia wanted Nagorno-Karabakh to be recognised internationally as an independent state.
Self-declared Karabakh officials echoed this call and accused Azerbaijan of using ceasefire talks as cover to prepare fresh attacks.
Meanwhile, Azeri Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov said not enough pressure had been put on Armenia during the talks and the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh could not remain as it was.
Azerbaijan expected to take control of more territory and the ceasefire would last only as long as it took for the ICRC to arrange for bodies to be exchanged, he said.
Turkey, which backs Azerbaijan, said the truce was Armenia's "last chance" to withdraw forces from the disputed territory.
Armenian, Azeri and Russian foreign ministers at talks
IMAGE COPYRIGHTEPA
image captionThe two countries, mediated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, took 10 hours to agree to a ceasefire
Russia has a military base in Armenia and both are members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) alliance.
However, Moscow also has good relations with Azerbaijan.
What happened after the ceasefire came into force?
Armenia's defence ministry said Azeri forces had launched an attack five minutes after the truce had been due to come into effect, with ethnic Armenian forces responding. Azeri forces were also bombarding a town, the defence ministry said.
Meanwhile Azerbaijan's defence ministry said Armenia was "blatantly violating the ceasefire regime" and firing into the Azeri regions of Terter and Agdam. Armenia denied this.

media captionUnder fire in Nagorno-Karabakh
On Thursday, Armenia accused Azerbaijan of deliberately shelling a historic cathedral in Nagorno-Karabakh. Pictures showed serious damage at the Holy Saviour Cathedral in Shusha city (known as Shushi in Armenian).
At the same time, Azerbaijan said Ganja and the region of Goranboy had been shelled by Armenian forces, with at least one civilian killed.
Speaking to the BBC earlier this week, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan warned of a "genocide" in the region, and said it was "Armenia, land of Armenians".
Stepanakert has suffered several days of shelling with residents sheltering in basements and much of the city left without power.



Dated 12th october.
 
Provide evidence to back up this claim. unless u can confirm this, then its a hot-air claim with no validity.


They had to, and that doesnt mean its action of shooting down the RUssian helicopter didnt have serious consequences, like the peace deal just signed


Countries like Russia and US dont need casus belli to enter a conflict....are you kidding me? are you that naive of how international politics works for powerful states?


Doesnt mean they wouldnt have, sometimes you do what you dont like or want.

YOur argument is the one that makes no sense. cheers.
The fact that Russia didn't go to war is evidence enough to prove you wrong.

Russia isn't the US. It's not only economically weak, but it doesn't have the diplomatic pull that the USA (AND THE FORMER USSR) have(had).

Peace deals aren't negotiated and signed over night, it takes a while for them to happen. They were probably negotiating for at least a few days to a week, before it was signed.

You trying to say that the shooting down of a military helicopter somehow forced Azerbaijan's had is naive beyond words, so don't throw stones when you yourself live in a glass house.

Sit down.
 

If this map is correct then Azerbaijan gained most of its territory back, also in exchange for a small territory they have gained a road towards their territory of Nakhchivan. Armenia will probably benefit from Azerbaijan land route in the future, economic etc and also will keep some territory in Karabakh.
 

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