It looks really handsome too. I'd love to test drive more Chinese SUVs/ sedans actually. Do you happen to know how much the BYD Tang costs?
I'm guessing in the $40k to high $50k range?
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It looks really handsome too. I'd love to test drive more Chinese SUVs/ sedans actually. Do you happen to know how much the BYD Tang costs?
I'm guessing in the $40k to high $50k range?
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H8 is around ¥200k to ¥240k with different configurations.
BYD Tang's price is estimated about ¥250k and it will cost around 160k after subsidies.
It will be open for sale in Decmember this year.
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Or APQP as in my experience with GM and Ford.
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If Japanese and German auto makers want to get a stronger foothold in China, they better hehave themselves
Volkswagen's deep-rooted arrogance in China
by Wayne Xing 2014-11-03
Volkswagen Group China faces nationwide protests after owners of the New Sagitar expressed dissatisfaction over its handling of a recall to fix a potential defect in the suspension system.
After extensive complaints about a broken axle from owners of the New Sagitar made by FAW-Volkswagen, the German carmaker was forced to announce on October 17 to recall 563,605 New Sagitars and 17,485 Beetles.
But Chinese consumers were furious to learn that VGC’s solution to the recall is only putting up a metal plate on the rear torsion crank axle of the problematic vehicle. At a press conference on October 24, VGC said that this “will stabilize the vehicles and send warning noises” in case of a failing axle. VGC’s executive vice president Soh Weimin said that “the axle is safe and installing the metal plate is like ‘providing a double assurance.’”
Angry car owners protested at Volkswagen dealerships in major cities in China displaying banners condemning Volkswagen for being “irresponsible” and putting customer’s life at risk. A message circulating on the QQ social media urged New Sagitar owners to stage another round of protests in 100 cities on November 9.
New Sagitar owners demand that Volkswagen replace the problematic rear suspension or take back the vehicles for a refund. Some analysts believe that VGC’s solution for the recall lacks sincerity and respect for consumers because the cost for replacing the rear suspension of the problematic cars would amount to only half of the German carmaker’s annual advertising budget.
A group of New Sagitar owners have reportedly enlisted the Beijing Jingshi Law Firm to represent them in a possible law suit. Of the more than 100 clients, 53 said the rear suspension of their New Sagitar has various problems which make it unsafe to drive.
Similar to the case of VGC’s DSG crisis earlier in the year, the German automaker has taken little heed to customer complaints and refused to recall problematic vehicles until the government steps in. Analysts have attributed Volkswagen’s arrogant behavior in China towards consumers to its leading market position in the car market.
The company’s deep-rooted arrogance comes, however, not from its dominating market position. As one analyst points out, VGC’s partner FAW is not a private company, nor a centrally administered automaker. Its real partner is “the central government under the Communist Party.” Over the past 30 years in China, the German automaker has developed a deep-rooted arrogance seen in no other markets because through extensive government relationship and successful lobbying plus advertising power it has been capable of reducing negative media to the minimum. VGC has developed into a tendency of refusing to properly respond to customer complaints unless the government steps in.
Unless VGC changes its attitude towards consumers in China, the brand image of Das Auto may be severely damaged in the world’s largest new vehicle manufacturing country.
City's Toyota owners demanding fair treatment
By Xu Fan (China Daily)
Updated: 2010-04-01 07:50
Toyota has promised to compensate owners of recalled RAV4 vehicles in Zhejiang province, which has aroused anger among Beijing owners and their association, who feel they are being treated differently.
After two closed-door rounds of talks between a delegation from Toyota and local authorities in Zhejiang, Toyota promised to compensate recall owners in Zhejiang, step up the recalls, offer substitute vehicles and return purchase subscriptions, a first deal of its kind in China.
Zhejiang Provincial Administration for Industry and Commerce complained that Toyota "seriously discriminated against and treated differently " Chinese consumers, as it recalled more than six million units in the United States and 2.7 million units in Europe, but "only 75,000 units in China".
Qu Jianhui, deputy secretary-general of the Beijing Consumer Association, said Toyota should respect every consumer in China and appealed to the company to treat car owners in Beijing and other cities the same as Zhejiang province.
Qu said Zhejiang province won the concessions mainly due to its strong regulations on consumer protection.
"Vehicle sales were provided 'three guarantees' in 2000.
"Most provinces and cities haven't regulated vehicles into such regulations yet," he said.
"The 'three guarantees' refer to retail sales that warrant repairing, changing and refunding if the product has quality problems," he explained.
Qu said the Toyota issue might push legislators to write vehicle sales into the law and the capital then could put vehicles into local consumer protection regulations according to the new law.
Li Yunwei, president of the Beijing car owner association, told METRO Toyota's reputation would be damaged if it can't handle the recall in a satisfactory way.
"To common consumers who plan to buy their first family car, they will hardly consider purchasing Toyota with its current safety concerns," he said.
Several Toyota 4S shops in Beijing contacted by METRO said that so far they hadn't received any notice about compensating owners of RAV4s recalled for an accelerator pedal problem and had no idea "if there will be some relevant policy in the following days".
The biggest RAV4 owner forum on a popular vehicle themed portal xcar.com.cn has a special discussion forum about the recalls, with 7,138 posts as of Wednesday.
One of the most popular threads called on the city's RAV4 owners to unite to demand compensation over the recall. Toyota has reduced the prices of its Carolla, Camry and REIZ model recently. The "normally no discount" RAV4 has had its price reduced by 18,000 yuan in less than two months, according to China Business News
Volkswagen's deep-rooted arrogance in China
by Wayne Xing 2014-11-03
Volkswagen Group China faces nationwide protests after owners of the New Sagitar expressed dissatisfaction over its handling of a recall to fix a potential defect in the suspension system.
After extensive complaints about a broken axle from owners of the New Sagitar made by FAW-Volkswagen, the German carmaker was forced to announce on October 17 to recall 563,605 New Sagitars and 17,485 Beetles.
But Chinese consumers were furious to learn that VGC’s solution to the recall is only putting up a metal plate on the rear torsion crank axle of the problematic vehicle. At a press conference on October 24, VGC said that this “will stabilize the vehicles and send warning noises” in case of a failing axle. VGC’s executive vice president Soh Weimin said that “the axle is safe and installing the metal plate is like ‘providing a double assurance.’”
Angry car owners protested at Volkswagen dealerships in major cities in China displaying banners condemning Volkswagen for being “irresponsible” and putting customer’s life at risk. A message circulating on the QQ social media urged New Sagitar owners to stage another round of protests in 100 cities on November 9.
New Sagitar owners demand that Volkswagen replace the problematic rear suspension or take back the vehicles for a refund. Some analysts believe that VGC’s solution for the recall lacks sincerity and respect for consumers because the cost for replacing the rear suspension of the problematic cars would amount to only half of the German carmaker’s annual advertising budget.
A group of New Sagitar owners have reportedly enlisted the Beijing Jingshi Law Firm to represent them in a possible law suit. Of the more than 100 clients, 53 said the rear suspension of their New Sagitar has various problems which make it unsafe to drive.
Similar to the case of VGC’s DSG crisis earlier in the year, the German automaker has taken little heed to customer complaints and refused to recall problematic vehicles until the government steps in. Analysts have attributed Volkswagen’s arrogant behavior in China towards consumers to its leading market position in the car market.
The company’s deep-rooted arrogance comes, however, not from its dominating market position. As one analyst points out, VGC’s partner FAW is not a private company, nor a centrally administered automaker. Its real partner is “the central government under the Communist Party.” Over the past 30 years in China, the German automaker has developed a deep-rooted arrogance seen in no other markets because through extensive government relationship and successful lobbying plus advertising power it has been capable of reducing negative media to the minimum. VGC has developed into a tendency of refusing to properly respond to customer complaints unless the government steps in.
Unless VGC changes its attitude towards consumers in China, the brand image of Das Auto may be severely damaged in the world’s largest new vehicle manufacturing country.
City's Toyota owners demanding fair treatment
By Xu Fan (China Daily)
Updated: 2010-04-01 07:50
Toyota has promised to compensate owners of recalled RAV4 vehicles in Zhejiang province, which has aroused anger among Beijing owners and their association, who feel they are being treated differently.
After two closed-door rounds of talks between a delegation from Toyota and local authorities in Zhejiang, Toyota promised to compensate recall owners in Zhejiang, step up the recalls, offer substitute vehicles and return purchase subscriptions, a first deal of its kind in China.
Zhejiang Provincial Administration for Industry and Commerce complained that Toyota "seriously discriminated against and treated differently " Chinese consumers, as it recalled more than six million units in the United States and 2.7 million units in Europe, but "only 75,000 units in China".
Qu Jianhui, deputy secretary-general of the Beijing Consumer Association, said Toyota should respect every consumer in China and appealed to the company to treat car owners in Beijing and other cities the same as Zhejiang province.
Qu said Zhejiang province won the concessions mainly due to its strong regulations on consumer protection.
"Vehicle sales were provided 'three guarantees' in 2000.
"Most provinces and cities haven't regulated vehicles into such regulations yet," he said.
"The 'three guarantees' refer to retail sales that warrant repairing, changing and refunding if the product has quality problems," he explained.
Qu said the Toyota issue might push legislators to write vehicle sales into the law and the capital then could put vehicles into local consumer protection regulations according to the new law.
Li Yunwei, president of the Beijing car owner association, told METRO Toyota's reputation would be damaged if it can't handle the recall in a satisfactory way.
"To common consumers who plan to buy their first family car, they will hardly consider purchasing Toyota with its current safety concerns," he said.
Several Toyota 4S shops in Beijing contacted by METRO said that so far they hadn't received any notice about compensating owners of RAV4s recalled for an accelerator pedal problem and had no idea "if there will be some relevant policy in the following days".
The biggest RAV4 owner forum on a popular vehicle themed portal xcar.com.cn has a special discussion forum about the recalls, with 7,138 posts as of Wednesday.
One of the most popular threads called on the city's RAV4 owners to unite to demand compensation over the recall. Toyota has reduced the prices of its Carolla, Camry and REIZ model recently. The "normally no discount" RAV4 has had its price reduced by 18,000 yuan in less than two months, according to China Business News
Very reasonably priced. Its equivalent to starting prices for the Nissan Pathfinder, Ford Explorer, Chevy Tahoe, GM Arcadia, Toyota 4Runner.
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Yes, customer quality is most important. Actually, problems existed for some time. Buddy, you could check out the site to figure it out.If Japanese and German auto makers want to get a stronger foothold in China, they better hehave themselves
Volkswagen's deep-rooted arrogance in China
by Wayne Xing 2014-11-03
Volkswagen Group China faces nationwide protests after owners of the New Sagitar expressed dissatisfaction over its handling of a recall to fix a potential defect in the suspension system.
After extensive complaints about a broken axle from owners of the New Sagitar made by FAW-Volkswagen, the German carmaker was forced to announce on October 17 to recall 563,605 New Sagitars and 17,485 Beetles.
But Chinese consumers were furious to learn that VGC’s solution to the recall is only putting up a metal plate on the rear torsion crank axle of the problematic vehicle. At a press conference on October 24, VGC said that this “will stabilize the vehicles and send warning noises” in case of a failing axle. VGC’s executive vice president Soh Weimin said that “the axle is safe and installing the metal plate is like ‘providing a double assurance.’”
Angry car owners protested at Volkswagen dealerships in major cities in China displaying banners condemning Volkswagen for being “irresponsible” and putting customer’s life at risk. A message circulating on the QQ social media urged New Sagitar owners to stage another round of protests in 100 cities on November 9.
New Sagitar owners demand that Volkswagen replace the problematic rear suspension or take back the vehicles for a refund. Some analysts believe that VGC’s solution for the recall lacks sincerity and respect for consumers because the cost for replacing the rear suspension of the problematic cars would amount to only half of the German carmaker’s annual advertising budget.
A group of New Sagitar owners have reportedly enlisted the Beijing Jingshi Law Firm to represent them in a possible law suit. Of the more than 100 clients, 53 said the rear suspension of their New Sagitar has various problems which make it unsafe to drive.
Similar to the case of VGC’s DSG crisis earlier in the year, the German automaker has taken little heed to customer complaints and refused to recall problematic vehicles until the government steps in. Analysts have attributed Volkswagen’s arrogant behavior in China towards consumers to its leading market position in the car market.
The company’s deep-rooted arrogance comes, however, not from its dominating market position. As one analyst points out, VGC’s partner FAW is not a private company, nor a centrally administered automaker. Its real partner is “the central government under the Communist Party.” Over the past 30 years in China, the German automaker has developed a deep-rooted arrogance seen in no other markets because through extensive government relationship and successful lobbying plus advertising power it has been capable of reducing negative media to the minimum. VGC has developed into a tendency of refusing to properly respond to customer complaints unless the government steps in.
Unless VGC changes its attitude towards consumers in China, the brand image of Das Auto may be severely damaged in the world’s largest new vehicle manufacturing country.
City's Toyota owners demanding fair treatment
By Xu Fan (China Daily)
Updated: 2010-04-01 07:50
Toyota has promised to compensate owners of recalled RAV4 vehicles in Zhejiang province, which has aroused anger among Beijing owners and their association, who feel they are being treated differently.
After two closed-door rounds of talks between a delegation from Toyota and local authorities in Zhejiang, Toyota promised to compensate recall owners in Zhejiang, step up the recalls, offer substitute vehicles and return purchase subscriptions, a first deal of its kind in China.
Zhejiang Provincial Administration for Industry and Commerce complained that Toyota "seriously discriminated against and treated differently " Chinese consumers, as it recalled more than six million units in the United States and 2.7 million units in Europe, but "only 75,000 units in China".
Qu Jianhui, deputy secretary-general of the Beijing Consumer Association, said Toyota should respect every consumer in China and appealed to the company to treat car owners in Beijing and other cities the same as Zhejiang province.
Qu said Zhejiang province won the concessions mainly due to its strong regulations on consumer protection.
"Vehicle sales were provided 'three guarantees' in 2000.
"Most provinces and cities haven't regulated vehicles into such regulations yet," he said.
"The 'three guarantees' refer to retail sales that warrant repairing, changing and refunding if the product has quality problems," he explained.
Qu said the Toyota issue might push legislators to write vehicle sales into the law and the capital then could put vehicles into local consumer protection regulations according to the new law.
Li Yunwei, president of the Beijing car owner association, told METRO Toyota's reputation would be damaged if it can't handle the recall in a satisfactory way.
"To common consumers who plan to buy their first family car, they will hardly consider purchasing Toyota with its current safety concerns," he said.
Several Toyota 4S shops in Beijing contacted by METRO said that so far they hadn't received any notice about compensating owners of RAV4s recalled for an accelerator pedal problem and had no idea "if there will be some relevant policy in the following days".
The biggest RAV4 owner forum on a popular vehicle themed portal xcar.com.cn has a special discussion forum about the recalls, with 7,138 posts as of Wednesday.
One of the most popular threads called on the city's RAV4 owners to unite to demand compensation over the recall. Toyota has reduced the prices of its Carolla, Camry and REIZ model recently. The "normally no discount" RAV4 has had its price reduced by 18,000 yuan in less than two months, according to China Business News
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Yes, customer quality is most important. Actually, problems existed for some time. Buddy, you could check out the site to figure it out.
投诉排行榜 - 中国汽车质量网
Glad to know you are aware of the subject matter
I usually take a careful stance of how in depth I would approach a stranger member
Sweat coatings are toxic within.
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I know what you are thinking.Glad to know you are aware of the subject matter
I usually take a careful stance of how in depth I would approach a stranger member
Sweat coatings are toxic within.
Be confident to domestic auto industry and I know what I am talking about though talking is useless.
The fact is auto industry is another smartphone industry, just give it 5 more years.
My autos are domestic brand GW haval H6 and BYD Qin. Our family's smartphones all are made by Huawei.
I wish GWM or BYD to be Huawei in auto industry, it seems that BYD has more potential to be a new energy auto giant. BYD is targeting at 2015 and 2025, impressive!
For your information, you can also search following keywords.
济二
天汽模
海天
新松
If you check out GWM, BYD, CAC, Chery and Geely's international sales networks, you can find more clues for what I am talking about.
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A ¥184 k to ¥273 k model. Impressive
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Both Jaguar & Land Rover are more premium brands than the ones you have mentioned later.
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Very elegant, sporty looking.
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