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As Turkey Chafes at Erdogan, He Gets Spikier Abroad

Meanwhile the Salafis,hardcore Sunni groups and other rebels,engaged in sectarian policies and death. Even of their own.

If we consider this 2012 bombing by AQ / MB of a government security building in Damascus, half of the eight high-level government victims were Sunni.

What's your opinion on the brutal animals Turkey is supporting? The TFSA gangs that in north Syria?

It is certain that these foreigner "Syrian rebels" were given chemical weapons by the Turkish government.
 
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Ah yes, the color "revolution" brought to Syria by the friendly neighborhood NATO, Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

Yes, as Obomba, Bliar and Sarkozy "proved" in the UN Security Council, Bashar al Assad was "killing civilians, including women and children" just like Gaddafi was. :)

I have followed the Libya and Syria invasions right from the very start and can assure you that nothing of the things you believed ever occurred. And example of what kind of things really happened ? In the very beginning there was the incident of a criminal sniping civilians in Damascus I think. The fellow was caught and initially people thought he was Israeli but IIRC he turned out to be Turkish. And you may know Turkey's role in the Syria war. I don't mean the entire country people of Turkey are criminals, just the Erdogan government and his controlled military and intelligence elements. Right in 2011 there was a Turkish's left-wing people's movement called Progressive Lawyers Association ( CHD in Turkish ) which took out a protest march against their government's participation in the Syria war on the side of NATO, AQ and MB.



In what context is Iran, Lebanon and Yemen here ?
Typical commoe propaganda and twisted logic. You know nothing on the ground. Iraq was taken over by terrorists that jad no support in ppl but syrian uprising was genuine, the population hate bashar and there was an uprising against his father as well. You canbdisagree with MB ideology but they are a political force and have huge support. Egypt is another example. Yemen and lebanon i quoted to show iranian interference in those countries.
Did Lebanon and Yemen invite Salafi and radical sunni beheaders and butchers? No.

Shia militias in Syria and Lebanon had been protecting culture,history,lives and worship places of other religions as well.

Meanwhile the Salafis,hardcore Sunni groups and other rebels,engaged in sectarian policies and death. Even of their own.

Give it up.

What's your opinion on the brutal animals Turkey is supporting? The TFSA gangs that in north Syria?

You have no idea what u r talking abt, iran is the biggest sectarian staye that exports chaos. See how they even tried to kill iraqi PM because he is not pro iran. Look at hezbollah, an iranian puppet that create a state within a state. Yemen and lebanon dont have any insurgency, the only nonstate actor in lebanon is hezbola. Yemen is being helped by coalition military, not by sectarian terrorist groups that iran uses. They even took shias from Pakistan and Afghanistan to syria and iraq.
 
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As Turkey Chafes at Erdogan, He Gets Spikier Abroad

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan canceled an appearance at the global climate talks over a perceived slight, part of a pattern of creating international dramas to bolster his domestic standing.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last month at the Group of 20 summit in Rome. He was expected to attend the global climate summit in Glasgow shortly after.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last month at the Group of 20 summit in Rome. He was expected to attend the global climate summit in Glasgow shortly after. Credit... Antonio Masiello/Getty Images

Carlotta Gall


Nov. 5, 2021

ISTANBUL — The global climate summit in Glasgow was supposed to be a big moment for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. He was expected to use the chance to show off a new embrace of climate issues, and there are few things he likes more than mingling on the international stage beside other world leaders.

But there is nothing he likes less than feeling belittled. Learning that he could not have his large security detail at Glasgow — security has been an obsession since a failed coup against him in 2016 — when the American president was allowed one, seems to have enraged Mr. Erdogan enough for him to cancel his appearance abruptly.

Not going to the climate talks, known as COP26, might have seemed self-defeating, given his recent green pivot, but Mr. Erdogan tried to play to his home base and cast his turnaround as a matter of honor.

“We never allow our country’s reputation or honor to be damaged anywhere,” he said in remarks to journalists on the flight home from Europe. “One more time we showed that we can establish a fair world only with a more equitable approach.”

Unpredictable, combative, politically astute, Mr. Erdogan has been in power for 18 years by always knowing which buttons to push. Yet he is politically vulnerable these days, more so perhaps than at any time in his career.

The president is sliding in the polls as the economy stumbles. Last month, the lira hit a new low against the dollar. Unemployment among his supporters is rising. Inflation is galloping at nearly 20 percent. Increasingly, Mr. Erdogan finds himself on his back foot in the face of a vibrant, unified opposition.

The Grand Bazaar in Istanbul last month. The economy is stumbling, with the lira hitting a new low against the dollar and unemployment among Mr. Erdogan’s supporters rising.
The Grand Bazaar in Istanbul last month. The economy is stumbling, with the lira hitting a new low against the dollar and unemployment among Mr. Erdogan’s supporters rising. Credit... Dilara Senkaya/Reuters

Determined to become modern Turkey’s longest-serving ruler by winning re-election in 2023, Mr. Erdogan is showing signs of growing frustration, as his usual tactics are not working and voters, especially young people eager for a change, grow restless.

“I think he is worried, and afraid of losing power, and it seems to be a plausibility, even to him, for the first time in many years,” said Soner Cagaptay, the director of the Turkish research program at the Washington Institute.

“He has been in office for too long, nearly two decades,” Mr. Cagaptay added. “He is suffering from establishment fatigue, simply too tired to be on top of his game and of the opposition all the time.”

As Mr. Erdogan’s grip on power turns shaky, some analysts warn that the Turkish president may become even more unpredictable as elections approach.

In particular over the past decade, Mr. Erdogan has used foreign policy as a tool to burnish his image at home, said Sinan Ulgen, chairman of the Center for Economics and Foreign Policy Studies in Istanbul.

He has in turn insulted foreign leaders, presented himself as a champion of the Turkish diaspora and of Muslims worldwide, and notably last year projected Turkey’s military muscle in a series of interventions abroad.

He pursued military operations in Syria, Libya, and Azerbaijan and stirred tensions with Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean by sending out drilling ships to explore for gas.

Protesters outside the Justice Palace in Istanbul in May as a court begins the retrial of the philanthropist Osman Kavala and 15 others over their role in nationwide protests in 2013.
Protesters outside the Justice Palace in Istanbul in May as a court begins the retrial of the philanthropist Osman Kavala and 15 others over their role in nationwide protests in 2013. Credit... Dilara Senkaya/Reuters

Since last November, however, when he fired his son-in-law as finance minister, the dire state of the Turkish economy has led Mr. Erdogan to soften his stance internationally, dialing back on the rhetoric, Mr. Ulgen said.

“The main issue now is to prevent, or pre-empt, tension so the economy can rebound,” he said.

But Mr. Erdogan has accumulated so many powers that his whims carry the day, and he seems not always to be able to help himself. He reverted to his old tactics in the last couple of weeks, ignoring his closest advisers, and threatening a diplomatic crisis in a show of strength for his supporters.

When 10 Western ambassadors issued a statement calling for the release of a jailed Turkish philanthropist, Mr. Erdogan railed against them for interference in Turkey’s affairs and threatened to expel them all. Then, just as suddenly, he backed down.

“He went against his own best interests and also against the best counsel from his most trusted advisers and that’s what makes me think that he is not on top of his game anymore,” Mr. Cagaptay said.

The expulsion of the ambassadors was narrowly averted after frantic diplomacy, in time for Mr. Erdogan to meet President Biden on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Rome, only to have Mr. Erdogan create another fuss over security protocol at Glasgow.

Mr. Erdogan and President Biden met on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Rome.
Mr. Erdogan and President Biden met on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Rome. Credit... Erin Schaff/The New York Times

It was yet another display of the impetuousness that has become a hallmark of Mr. Erdogan’s relations with the world, risking major upsets with international partners in a sometimes dubious, increasingly desperate, effort to lift his domestic standing.

Sensing political opportunity, Mr. Erdogan had recently made a startling climate conversion after years in which Turkey stood out as an environmental laggard.

He renamed his environment ministry as the Ministry of Environment, Urbanization and Climate Change, and offered Mr. Biden a copy of a book on the green revolution for which he had written the introduction.

He had allowed the Paris climate agreement to languish, but then had the Turkish Parliament ratify it on Oct. 6, and he was prepared to announce to the gathering of world leaders that Turkey would aim to be carbon neutral by 2053.

“Climate change is a reality and threatens the future of humanity, so Turkey naturally will have a leading role in such a vital matter,” he said in a televised address in Turkey before the COP26 summit.

Mr. Erdogan’s conversion came after Turkey suffered a bruising summer. The worst forest fires in recorded memory scorched a swath of coastal forestland eight times the size of average annual fires, killing at least eight people. Flash floods killed at least 82 people in the northeast in the heaviest rains seen in hundreds of years. And an outbreak of slime choked sea life in the Marmara Sea.

A helicopter dousing a forest fire at the Heybeliada island in Istanbul in August. Mr. Erdogan has shifted to more climate-friendly policies after a bruising summer in which fires scorched a swath of coastal forestland.

A helicopter dousing a forest fire at the Heybeliada island in Istanbul in August. Mr. Erdogan has shifted to more climate-friendly policies after a bruising summer in which fires scorched a swath of coastal forestland. Credit... Erdem Sahin/EPA, via Shutterstock

The disasters gave fresh momentum to support for climate action that had been steadily building — in public opinion, in business circles, among civil society groups and across the political spectrum — over the last year or so.

“All the public opinion polls are showing that now the political parties in Turkey in the next elections will have to address this issue very seriously,” said Bahadir Kaleagasi, the president of the Institut du Bosphore, a French association that encourages Turkish relations with France and Europe.

In the end, though, the climate summit went begging. Mr. Erdogan apparently saw more benefit in kicking up a diplomatic fuss over the security protocol than in addressing the gathering. Or, as rumors flew about his health, he needed a rest.

He had, in any case, already obtained what analysts said he really wanted from the weekend: an hour with Mr. Biden on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting, a sign of potential improvement in U.S.-Turkish relations that might lift Turkey’s standing in international markets.

After Mr. Erdogan had failed to secure a meeting with Mr. Biden in New York in September during the United Nations General Assembly, a meeting this month with the American president “became the number one issue of the Turkey-U.S. relations,” said Aydin Sezer, a political analyst and former trade official.

Banners featuring Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern Turkish republic, and Mr. Erdogan in Istanbul. Mr. Erdogan is intent on becoming modern Turkey’s longest-serving ruler by winning re-election in 2023.
Banners featuring Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern Turkish republic, and Mr. Erdogan in Istanbul. Mr. Erdogan is intent on becoming modern Turkey’s longest-serving ruler by winning re-election in 2023. Credit... Erdem Sahin/EPA, via Shutterstock

The Biden administration, while maintaining pressure on Mr. Erdogan over human rights and the rule of law — Turkey has notably not been invited to Mr. Biden’s democracy summit in December — has made clear that it regards the country as an important NATO ally and strategic partner.

“We may have differences, but we never lose sight of the strategic importance we and our partners hold each to the other,” David M. Satterfield, the American ambassador to Turkey, said at a reception abroad the command ship Mount Whitney, which called in to Istanbul on Wednesday.

But an overriding U.S. concern will be to keep relations with the unpredictable Mr. Erdogan on an even keel, said Asli Aydintasbas, a senior fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

That has meant dialing back the close, if stormy, personal relationship that President Donald J. Trump had with Mr. Erdogan in favor of something a bit more at arm’s length.

“Ankara is simultaneously vulnerable and bellicose,” she said. “Washington’s way of dealing with this duality is distancing itself from Turkey.”

“There is a desire to keep this at this stable level — at least for another year — but given that this is an election year, it may not be so easy,” she added.



Erdogan is weak!!!
Kemalist re-emerging ???
 
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What's your opinion on the brutal animals Turkey is supporting? The TFSA gangs that in north Syria?

brutal animals ASSAD Regime , Russia , İran and İran backed terrorist groups killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians including children and women with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , chemical weapons

brutal animals ASSAD Regime , Russia , İran and İran backed terrorist groups bombed even schools and hospitals


on the other hand Turkiye saved Syrian People from brutal animals ASSAD Regime , Russia , İran and İran backed terrorist groups

around 12 million Syrians now under Turkish protection and Turks spent over $50 billion for Syrians
 
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brutal animals ASSAD Regime , Russia , İran and İran backed terrorist groups killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians including children and women with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , chemical weapons

brutal animals ASSAD Regime , Russia , İran and İran backed terrorist groups bombed even schools and hospitals


on the other hand Turkiye saved Syrian People from brutal animals ASSAD Regime , Russia , İran and İran backed terrorist groups

around 12 million Syrians now under Turkish protection and Turks spent over $50 billion for Syrians
Havent u repeated the same thing over 100x? Do u have dementia or something? Be more original kid.
 
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Hopefully Erdo is soon history


keep dreaming dream is free


Turkish People never select traitor FETO , facist PKK-HDP terrorists and pro-American-İsraeli puppet leaders to rule Turkiye

ERDOGAN-BAHCELI will win elections to rule Turkiye until june 2028
 
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keep dreaming dream is free


Turkish People never select traitor FETO , facist PKK-HDP terrorists and pro-American-İsraeli puppet leaders to rule Turkiye

ERDOGAN-BAHCELI will win elections to rule Turkiye until june 2028

If he dies from colon cancer, will you vote for a corpse then? Its known that he is in the final stage


 
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Typical commoe propaganda and twisted logic. You know nothing on the ground.

And you sit in the Syrian-Russian intelligence cooperation committees to know everything ? :)

I was watching a YT vid yesterday and it was a review of the Russian army recruitment ad vs US army recruitment ad. One Russian commentor said that there was a campaign in Russia to donate anything they could for Syrians including toys.

Iraq was taken over by terrorists that jad no support in ppl but syrian uprising was genuine, the population hate bashar and there was an uprising against his father as well. You canbdisagree with MB ideology but they are a political force and have huge support.

That "uprising" against the Hafiz al Assad government in the 1980s was by the MB which was rightly crushed by the Syrian forces. Notice how some Western-government-aligned editor of the Wiki about that campaign calls it as "Hama massacre". Watch this nice speech of Hafiz al Assad talking about the criminals of the MB in 1982.

Twenty nine years after the speech, in 2011 the MB gang again collaborated with NATO / Western governments to destroy Syria. Do you want to align with NATO too ?

Egypt is another example.

MB's Morsi was kicked out by the Egyptian people and MB is now rightly a banned movement in Egypt. When Morsi was in jail a MB-type female from Yemen, Tawakkol Karman, wrote in an American-government-connected website that Morsi was "the Mandela of the Arab world". :lol: In 2011 this female was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize just like Obomba was in 2009 and then went on to "peacefully" invade Libya and Syria two years later. :rofl:

And the MB in Egypt was always a criminal organization. This article is about Jamal Abdul Nasser talking about the MB. Note the underlined :
CAIRO – 23 July 2018: Jinx! Gamal Abdel Nasser is not here today to say this term to President Sisi in order to prevent bad luck. It is easy for someone who is used to listening to the current leadership’s statements and Abdel Nasser’s statements as well to know that they sound exactly the same.

13 years after the success of July 23 revolution, which abolished the monarchy, late President Nasser, one of the revolution’s top leaders, described Muslim Brotherhood in one of his speech as people who exploit religion to obtain people’s support and seize power.

“The parties were dissolved, and we clashed with the Muslim Brotherhood party, during the four years, in 1953 and in 1954 … We were embroiled in dispute, they declared war against us, and they shot at me on October, 26, 1954 in Alexandria … Terrorist members in the Muslim Brotherhood party were arrested, and they were judged,” Nasser said during the statement.

“In 1954, we were negotiating with the British [forces occupying Egypt at the time] for the evacuation [deal]. At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood members were holding secret meetings with the members of the British Embassy. They were telling them: we will be able to seize power,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the Muslim Brotherhood party has never held the patriotic feelings which Egyptians have held, adding: “The Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood at the time when we were fighting in the Canal was asked: what is your stance on the war in the canal. He said: We are a wide (international) call. Perhaps the war in the canal comes for your benefit here in Egypt, while we think it is beneficial to fight in another country.”

“This is the call of the Muslim Brotherhood. All of [their] speech is full of deception and [exploitation of] religion,” Nasser stated.

Similar to what happened following 2011 revolution when people decided to reconcile with the Muslim Brotherhood, perhaps because the youth who led the January revolution were not familiar with the MB policies, Abdel Nasser said he reconciled with the MB members, explaining that the reconciliation however, failed to turn them into good citizens.

“In 1953, we actually and honestly wanted to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood supposing that [this will make its members] take the right path. I met with the General guide of the Muslim Brotherhood. He issued [some] demands,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the MB guide asked him to force Egyptian women to wear Islamic veil and to shut cinemas and theaters.

Nasser said: “He told me that you as a ruler is responsible [for veiling women]. I told him, you have a daughter in the Faculty of Medicine who is unveiled. Why didn’t you force her to wear a veil? If you are not able to make your daughter wear a veil, [how] would you want me to [force] 10 million women to wear veils in the country?”

“Then, [he told me] that women must not [go to] work. I think that when a woman works, we are protecting her [this way]. Why do [some women] go astray? They do so because of the need and poverty. We all know such stories of women whose sons or mothers are sick and they did not find money, so they were forced to sell their bodies. Therefore, work is a protection for women, while preventing women from work [works] against her. We actually liberate women by [allowing] them to work and cooperate with the man,” Nasser added.

“Last year, in 1964, before the constitution, I released them all from the prison, and we issued a law to return every one of them to his work with the same salary and promotion prospects. In 1965, we seized the new conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood; secret system, and assassination and destruction plans,” the late President said.

Nasser said that Muslim Brotherhood group says that all the [Egyptian] people are disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslims. According to Nasser, The MB members say they refuse people representation, and the Parliament. He added that the MB group considers the kings and presidents of the Arab and other countries as disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslim people.

“They were arrested, and we also arrested all old MB organizations … It is not about the assassination of Gamal Abdel Nasser. If Abdel Nasser was assassinated, a thousand people similar to Gamal Abdel Nasser would emerge, but we can never accept that [our] people be assassinated,” Nasser stated.

“We started to view [their cases]; all people who participated in these secret organizations will be referred to judgment. All dangerous people who we released in 1964 and had basically represented heads or dangerous members in the secret organizations will be [imprisoned]. After that, the rest of [the MB group members] will be released. We will give them another chance. If somebody of them [commits similar illegal actions] we will arrest him and we will never get him out of prison.”

“It is enough. We cannot take a gamble on the rewards we achieved during the 13 past years,” Nasser stated, adding that the MB group uses Islam to deceive people and grab them to join the party.

Concerning the MB, “they are neither Muslims, nor brothers. They are malevolent … Their leaders outside [the country] cooperated with Baghdad Pact, colonial countries, all our enemies, and Arab reactionary, and proved with clear evidence that the MB party or movement is only a movement that works for the benefit of colonialism and reactionary, by which it is funded.

Islamic ideologies are always not welcomed by monarchies. The MB wanted to cooperate with the Free Officers who lead the 1952 revolution, in order for them to achieve political advancement amid competition with other parties including “Al-Wafd.”

The MB’s crisis began when they found themselves almost excluded from the new ministry in the era of Mohamed Naguib, Egypt’s first President following the removal of King Farouk of Egypt. When Nasser came into power, the crisis was worsened; While MB members have held an Islamic message, Nasser had emphasized in his speeches the Arab identity of the country.

Before Nasser came into power in 1956, Mahmoud Abdel-Latif, an MB member tried to assassinate him two years earlier, while he was delivering a speech in Alexandria, to celebrate the British military withdrawal, according to media reports.

Following his return to Cairo, Nasser ordered the arrest of thousands of people mostly of the Muslim Brotherhood members, and dismissed dozens of officers loyal to Naguib.

MB author and thinker Sayed Kotb was executed in 1966 after being convicted of planning to assassinate Nasser who ruled Egypt for about 14 years until his death in 1970.
Is the Egyptian MB any different decades after Nasser made this speech ?
 
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Turkish People never select traitor FETO , facist PKK-HDP terrorists and pro-American-İsraeli puppet leaders to rule Turkiye

"Pro American-Israeli puppet leaders" ? Erdogan is in the NATO invasion of Syria and Libya right now for the last ten years. :rofl:
 
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"Pro American-Israeli puppet leaders" ? Erdogan is in the NATO invasion of Syria and Libya right now for the last ten years. :rofl:

since 2013 , ERDOGAN is kicking USA-İsrael-France and their terrorists FETO,PKK/YPG,HAFTAR,etc in Turkiye,Syria and Libya


therefore USA-İsrael-France wants to find a puppet leader in Turkiye instead of ERDOGAN
 
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since 2013 , ERDOGAN is kicking USA-İsrael-France and their terrorists FETO,PKK/YPG,HAFTAR,etc in Turkiye,Syria and Libya

This recent thread of mine is about an interview from 2019. The interview is of Moussa Ibrahim who in 2011 was the spokesperson for Gaddafi and the Libyan Jamahiriya. In 2019 he still was the spokesperson for the Green Resistance - the Libyans and probably foreign allies who want the pre-2011 Jamahiriya system back and fight against the NATO-created Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood criminals who invaded Libya. IIRC Moussa says that his people are also in Haftar's forces in a tactical arrangement. Does Turkey know this ? If it knows then why is Turkey fighting the Green Resistance ? Why is Turkey supporting Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood in Libya ? Isn't Erdogan's party connected with MB ?

About Syria, forget PKK and YPG, why is Erdogan fully supporting the criminals of the FSA ( again basically AQ and MB ) ?

therefore USA-İsrael-France wants to find a puppet leader in Turkiye instead of ERDOGAN

It would be nice if leftists like the CHD govern turkey and also make peace with the Kurds.
 
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