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As Turkey Chafes at Erdogan, He Gets Spikier Abroad

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan canceled an appearance at the global climate talks over a perceived slight, part of a pattern of creating international dramas to bolster his domestic standing.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last month at the Group of 20 summit in Rome. He was expected to attend the global climate summit in Glasgow shortly after.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last month at the Group of 20 summit in Rome. He was expected to attend the global climate summit in Glasgow shortly after. Credit... Antonio Masiello/Getty Images

Carlotta Gall


Nov. 5, 2021

ISTANBUL — The global climate summit in Glasgow was supposed to be a big moment for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. He was expected to use the chance to show off a new embrace of climate issues, and there are few things he likes more than mingling on the international stage beside other world leaders.

But there is nothing he likes less than feeling belittled. Learning that he could not have his large security detail at Glasgow — security has been an obsession since a failed coup against him in 2016 — when the American president was allowed one, seems to have enraged Mr. Erdogan enough for him to cancel his appearance abruptly.

Not going to the climate talks, known as COP26, might have seemed self-defeating, given his recent green pivot, but Mr. Erdogan tried to play to his home base and cast his turnaround as a matter of honor.

“We never allow our country’s reputation or honor to be damaged anywhere,” he said in remarks to journalists on the flight home from Europe. “One more time we showed that we can establish a fair world only with a more equitable approach.”

Unpredictable, combative, politically astute, Mr. Erdogan has been in power for 18 years by always knowing which buttons to push. Yet he is politically vulnerable these days, more so perhaps than at any time in his career.

The president is sliding in the polls as the economy stumbles. Last month, the lira hit a new low against the dollar. Unemployment among his supporters is rising. Inflation is galloping at nearly 20 percent. Increasingly, Mr. Erdogan finds himself on his back foot in the face of a vibrant, unified opposition.

The Grand Bazaar in Istanbul last month. The economy is stumbling, with the lira hitting a new low against the dollar and unemployment among Mr. Erdogan’s supporters rising.
The Grand Bazaar in Istanbul last month. The economy is stumbling, with the lira hitting a new low against the dollar and unemployment among Mr. Erdogan’s supporters rising. Credit... Dilara Senkaya/Reuters

Determined to become modern Turkey’s longest-serving ruler by winning re-election in 2023, Mr. Erdogan is showing signs of growing frustration, as his usual tactics are not working and voters, especially young people eager for a change, grow restless.

“I think he is worried, and afraid of losing power, and it seems to be a plausibility, even to him, for the first time in many years,” said Soner Cagaptay, the director of the Turkish research program at the Washington Institute.

“He has been in office for too long, nearly two decades,” Mr. Cagaptay added. “He is suffering from establishment fatigue, simply too tired to be on top of his game and of the opposition all the time.”

As Mr. Erdogan’s grip on power turns shaky, some analysts warn that the Turkish president may become even more unpredictable as elections approach.

In particular over the past decade, Mr. Erdogan has used foreign policy as a tool to burnish his image at home, said Sinan Ulgen, chairman of the Center for Economics and Foreign Policy Studies in Istanbul.

He has in turn insulted foreign leaders, presented himself as a champion of the Turkish diaspora and of Muslims worldwide, and notably last year projected Turkey’s military muscle in a series of interventions abroad.

He pursued military operations in Syria, Libya, and Azerbaijan and stirred tensions with Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean by sending out drilling ships to explore for gas.

Protesters outside the Justice Palace in Istanbul in May as a court begins the retrial of the philanthropist Osman Kavala and 15 others over their role in nationwide protests in 2013.
Protesters outside the Justice Palace in Istanbul in May as a court begins the retrial of the philanthropist Osman Kavala and 15 others over their role in nationwide protests in 2013. Credit... Dilara Senkaya/Reuters

Since last November, however, when he fired his son-in-law as finance minister, the dire state of the Turkish economy has led Mr. Erdogan to soften his stance internationally, dialing back on the rhetoric, Mr. Ulgen said.

“The main issue now is to prevent, or pre-empt, tension so the economy can rebound,” he said.

But Mr. Erdogan has accumulated so many powers that his whims carry the day, and he seems not always to be able to help himself. He reverted to his old tactics in the last couple of weeks, ignoring his closest advisers, and threatening a diplomatic crisis in a show of strength for his supporters.

When 10 Western ambassadors issued a statement calling for the release of a jailed Turkish philanthropist, Mr. Erdogan railed against them for interference in Turkey’s affairs and threatened to expel them all. Then, just as suddenly, he backed down.

“He went against his own best interests and also against the best counsel from his most trusted advisers and that’s what makes me think that he is not on top of his game anymore,” Mr. Cagaptay said.

The expulsion of the ambassadors was narrowly averted after frantic diplomacy, in time for Mr. Erdogan to meet President Biden on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Rome, only to have Mr. Erdogan create another fuss over security protocol at Glasgow.

Mr. Erdogan and President Biden met on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Rome.
Mr. Erdogan and President Biden met on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting in Rome. Credit... Erin Schaff/The New York Times

It was yet another display of the impetuousness that has become a hallmark of Mr. Erdogan’s relations with the world, risking major upsets with international partners in a sometimes dubious, increasingly desperate, effort to lift his domestic standing.

Sensing political opportunity, Mr. Erdogan had recently made a startling climate conversion after years in which Turkey stood out as an environmental laggard.

He renamed his environment ministry as the Ministry of Environment, Urbanization and Climate Change, and offered Mr. Biden a copy of a book on the green revolution for which he had written the introduction.

He had allowed the Paris climate agreement to languish, but then had the Turkish Parliament ratify it on Oct. 6, and he was prepared to announce to the gathering of world leaders that Turkey would aim to be carbon neutral by 2053.

“Climate change is a reality and threatens the future of humanity, so Turkey naturally will have a leading role in such a vital matter,” he said in a televised address in Turkey before the COP26 summit.

Mr. Erdogan’s conversion came after Turkey suffered a bruising summer. The worst forest fires in recorded memory scorched a swath of coastal forestland eight times the size of average annual fires, killing at least eight people. Flash floods killed at least 82 people in the northeast in the heaviest rains seen in hundreds of years. And an outbreak of slime choked sea life in the Marmara Sea.

A helicopter dousing a forest fire at the Heybeliada island in Istanbul in August. Mr. Erdogan has shifted to more climate-friendly policies after a bruising summer in which fires scorched a swath of coastal forestland.

A helicopter dousing a forest fire at the Heybeliada island in Istanbul in August. Mr. Erdogan has shifted to more climate-friendly policies after a bruising summer in which fires scorched a swath of coastal forestland. Credit... Erdem Sahin/EPA, via Shutterstock

The disasters gave fresh momentum to support for climate action that had been steadily building — in public opinion, in business circles, among civil society groups and across the political spectrum — over the last year or so.

“All the public opinion polls are showing that now the political parties in Turkey in the next elections will have to address this issue very seriously,” said Bahadir Kaleagasi, the president of the Institut du Bosphore, a French association that encourages Turkish relations with France and Europe.

In the end, though, the climate summit went begging. Mr. Erdogan apparently saw more benefit in kicking up a diplomatic fuss over the security protocol than in addressing the gathering. Or, as rumors flew about his health, he needed a rest.

He had, in any case, already obtained what analysts said he really wanted from the weekend: an hour with Mr. Biden on the sidelines of the Group of 20 meeting, a sign of potential improvement in U.S.-Turkish relations that might lift Turkey’s standing in international markets.

After Mr. Erdogan had failed to secure a meeting with Mr. Biden in New York in September during the United Nations General Assembly, a meeting this month with the American president “became the number one issue of the Turkey-U.S. relations,” said Aydin Sezer, a political analyst and former trade official.

Banners featuring Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern Turkish republic, and Mr. Erdogan in Istanbul. Mr. Erdogan is intent on becoming modern Turkey’s longest-serving ruler by winning re-election in 2023.
Banners featuring Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern Turkish republic, and Mr. Erdogan in Istanbul. Mr. Erdogan is intent on becoming modern Turkey’s longest-serving ruler by winning re-election in 2023. Credit... Erdem Sahin/EPA, via Shutterstock

The Biden administration, while maintaining pressure on Mr. Erdogan over human rights and the rule of law — Turkey has notably not been invited to Mr. Biden’s democracy summit in December — has made clear that it regards the country as an important NATO ally and strategic partner.

“We may have differences, but we never lose sight of the strategic importance we and our partners hold each to the other,” David M. Satterfield, the American ambassador to Turkey, said at a reception abroad the command ship Mount Whitney, which called in to Istanbul on Wednesday.

But an overriding U.S. concern will be to keep relations with the unpredictable Mr. Erdogan on an even keel, said Asli Aydintasbas, a senior fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

That has meant dialing back the close, if stormy, personal relationship that President Donald J. Trump had with Mr. Erdogan in favor of something a bit more at arm’s length.

“Ankara is simultaneously vulnerable and bellicose,” she said. “Washington’s way of dealing with this duality is distancing itself from Turkey.”

“There is a desire to keep this at this stable level — at least for another year — but given that this is an election year, it may not be so easy,” she added.



Erdogan is weak!!!
 
When you watch erdo and sleepy Joe in one picture, you automatically remember two rocks falling from a cliff. Both are declining leaders with a confused Foreign Policy disliked by majority of their population.

A well known Turkish political analyst said that Turkey is leading power of dismantling Middle eastern countries according to American and Zionist plans.

After democrat winning, Turkish leadership was suggested with transferring the rented ISIS militants from Libya and Syria into Afghanistan.

It looks like Erdo's ISIS card is going to be used in Afghanistan possibly in Exchange for strengthening of Lira. Time will tell, one thing for sure, the Turkish analyst was Spot on. ISIS is Erdo's life line and his political future is all dependent on success of terrorists in Syria, Libya and Iraq.
 
When you watch erdo and sleepy Joe in one picture, you automatically remember two rocks falling from a cliff. Both are declining leaders with a confused Foreign Policy disliked by majority of their population.

A well known Turkish political analyst said that Turkey is leading power of dismantling Middle eastern countries according to American and Zionist plans.

After democrat winning, Turkish leadership was suggested with transferring the rented ISIS militants from Libya and Syria into Afghanistan.

It looks like Erdo's ISIS card is going to be used in Afghanistan possibly in Exchange for strengthening of Lira. Time will tell, one thing for sure, the Turkish analyst was Spot on. ISIS is Erdo's life line and his political future is all dependent on success of terrorists in Syria, Libya and Iraq.

Funny that an iranian is talking abt terrorism in syria libya and iraq lolz. I guess hypocrisy has no limits. Iran is the biggest terrorist exporter. Syria, iraq, yemen, lebanon, all have been destabilized due to evil mullahs. On top of that, iran goes and sits with hindu extremists and interferes in Pakistan and Afghanistan. You should be the last person on earth to blame Turkey.
 
Funny that an iranian is talking abt terrorism in syria libya and iraq lolz. I guess hypocrisy has no limits. Iran is the biggest terrorist exporter. Syria, iraq, yemen, lebanon, all have been destabilized due to evil mullahs. On top of that, iran goes and sits with hindu extremists and interferes in Pakistan and Afghanistan. You should be the last person on earth to blame Turkey.



Don't forget Africa... :p:

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When you watch erdo and sleepy Joe in one picture, you automatically remember two rocks falling from a cliff. Both are declining leaders with a confused Foreign Policy disliked by majority of their population.

A well known Turkish political analyst said that Turkey is leading power of dismantling Middle eastern countries according to American and Zionist plans.

After democrat winning, Turkish leadership was suggested with transferring the rented ISIS militants from Libya and Syria into Afghanistan.

It looks like Erdo's ISIS card is going to be used in Afghanistan possibly in Exchange for strengthening of Lira. Time will tell, one thing for sure, the Turkish analyst was Spot on. ISIS is Erdo's life line and his political future is all dependent on success of terrorists in Syria, Libya and Iraq.
Agree with this part
 
Biden and Erdogan are in the same boat: if you do not care about bread and butter issues at home, your international standing doesn't mean a thing.
 
Funny that an iranian is talking abt terrorism in syria libya and iraq lolz. I guess hypocrisy has no limits. Iran is the biggest terrorist exporter. Syria, iraq, yemen, lebanon, all have been destabilized due to evil mullahs. On top of that, iran goes and sits with hindu extremists and interferes in Pakistan and Afghanistan. You should be the last person on earth to blame Turkey.
Unfortunately that is not the words of an Iranian that i typed. Listen to Turkish MP :

In case, you fail to understand Turkish, i highlighted important points :
"Erdogan is the co-leader of the plan to divide the Middle East. For Israel's security, they are shrinking countries so that they can easily control them. Erdogan has turned Turkey into a terrorist highway"
 
A well known Turkish political analyst said that Turkey is leading power of dismantling Middle eastern countries according to American and Zionist plans.


Your İran ( Hashdi Shabi ) is working with USA ( PKK) in İraq
ASSAD Regime is flirting USA-İsrael backed YPG in Syria



Your lies and anti-ERDOGAN propaganda wont work

3 Turkish Military Operations blocked USA-İsrael plan to create PKK/YPG terror State in Syria

ERDOGAN saved and protect Syria's territorial integrity ....
ERDOGAN is blocking PKK and BARZANI to create free Kurdistan in İraq ....


İran backed terrorist groups Hashdi Shabi , IRGC , Houtsis , Hezbolah created chaos in İraq , Syria , Lebanon and Yemen
 
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Unfortunately that is not the words of an Iranian that i typed. Listen to Turkish MP :

In case, you fail to understand Turkish, i highlighted important points :
"Erdogan is the co-leader of the plan to divide the Middle East. For Israel's security, they are shrinking countries so that they can easily control them. Erdogan has turned Turkey into a terrorist highway"

That is something called political opposition, there are more harsher things we say abt our leaders. Its something common in democracies. A citizen of clerical mullah regime cannot comprehend this. Do u want me to quote what the liberal iranians have to say?
 
That is something called political opposition, there are more harsher things we say abt our leaders. Its something common in democracies. A citizen of clerical mullah regime cannot comprehend this. Do u want me to quote what the liberal iranians have to say?
Huh, please do tell us what our liberal say. You better Ask them about Pakistan too. Majority of them call Pakistan safe haven of terrorists, actually liberals recognize Islam as religion of terrorism.

This man is not a liberal, on the contrary, he says so far no one was able to hurt Islam and Muslims as much as erdogan and his western partners.
 
Huh, please do tell us what our liberal say. You better Ask them about Pakistan too. Majority of them call Pakistan safe haven of terrorists, actually liberals recognize Islam as religion of terrorism.

This man is not a liberal, on the contrary, he says so far no one was able to hurt Islam and Muslims as much as erdogan and his western partners.

Bro i have lived and worked with iranians abroad and i know their hatred for mullahs. Yes they blame us too but so does the mullahs, its something common in them.
 
Mr. Erdogan’s conversion came after Turkey suffered a bruising summer. The worst forest fires in recorded memory scorched a swath of coastal forestland eight times the size of average annual fires, killing at least eight people.

One Turkish member was saying some months ago that these fires were the work of PKK. :disagree:

Funny that an iranian is talking abt terrorism in syria libya and iraq lolz. I guess hypocrisy has no limits. Iran is the biggest terrorist exporter. Syria, iraq, yemen, lebanon, all have been destabilized due to evil mullahs.

Umm, you are talking as if the international-origin NATO-created "Syrian" "moderate rebel" headchoppers, cat eaters and human-heart eaters are not brainwashed by mullahs. :crazy:

And Iran's military, thought I disagree with the clerics who rule Iran, it is in Syria with the consent of Syria's legitimate government.
 
One Turkish member was saying some months ago that these fires were the work of PKK. :disagree:



Umm, you are talking as if the international-origin NATO-created "Syrian" "moderate rebel" headchoppers, cat eaters and human-heart eaters are not brainwashed by mullahs. :crazy:

And Iran's military, thought I disagree with the clerics who rule Iran, it is in Syria with the consent of Syria's legitimate government.

There was a genuine arab spring in syria, which was brutally crushed and resulted in militancy. Did iraq also invited iran? Or did lebanon and yemen invite them as well?
 
There was a genuine arab spring in syria, which was brutally crushed and resulted in militancy.

Ah yes, the color "revolution" brought to Syria by the friendly neighborhood NATO, Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

Yes, as Obomba, Bliar and Sarkozy "proved" in the UN Security Council, Bashar al Assad was "killing civilians, including women and children" just like Gaddafi was. :)

I have followed the Libya and Syria invasions right from the very start and can assure you that nothing of the things you believed ever occurred. And example of what kind of things really happened ? In the very beginning there was the incident of a criminal sniping civilians in Damascus I think. The fellow was caught and initially people thought he was Israeli but IIRC he turned out to be Turkish. And you may know Turkey's role in the Syria war. I don't mean the entire country people of Turkey are criminals, just the Erdogan government and his controlled military and intelligence elements. Right in 2011 there was a Turkish's left-wing people's movement called Progressive Lawyers Association ( CHD in Turkish ) which took out a protest march against their government's participation in the Syria war on the side of NATO, AQ and MB.

Did iraq also invited iran? Or did lebanon and yemen invite them as well?

In what context is Iran, Lebanon and Yemen here ?
 
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There was a genuine arab spring in syria, which was brutally crushed and resulted in militancy. Did iraq also invited iran? Or did lebanon and yemen invite them as well?
Did Lebanon and Yemen invite Salafi and radical sunni beheaders and butchers? No.

Shia militias in Syria and Lebanon had been protecting culture,history,lives and worship places of other religions as well.

Meanwhile the Salafis,hardcore Sunni groups and other rebels,engaged in sectarian policies and death. Even of their own.

Give it up.

What's your opinion on the brutal animals Turkey is supporting? The TFSA gangs that in north Syria?
 

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