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Arranged marriages?

Well, they do work. I am sure you can find many who will say naught.

Most of my cousins had arranged ... let us put in simplier way - introduced marriages. No issues; those who did not and went their way - well 60% ended up in failure; yet those via arranged route had 100% success rate
 
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Mufti Menk said you can meet the potential spouse any number of times you want until you've made a decision but that does not happen where I come from. Arranged marriages here mean parents are going to meet the person and you just have the final say. How can someone make decision like that?
Please don't listen to muftis and menks
 
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How do arranged marriages work? Would members here advise against or in favour of arranged marriages? Does the couple need to have understanding and feelings for each other before marriage?

Okay, so the first thing you must understand is that any marriage process will only work, as you want it to work. You need to be head-strong and be confident and considered. Don't rush into anything, don't be pressured into anything - ultimately well wishers will put you in dholi and say goodbye - you live with the consequences.

The idea of an arranged marriage is that people reccomend someone to you based on your personalities where they consider things a good match. In reality people are biased by their own relationships, but their own selfishness, so it doesn't always work. Many couples who get married through arranged marriages can end up doing a lot of work/compromise because it works. This is only the case where it is done badly. Done well arranged marriage can be an excellent way to get married.

No marriage is perfect, nobody marries their exact match, every marriage requires some compromise and understanding to achieve perfection. Bliss comes through hard work.

In my opinion before you get married to someone consider;
- Does this person share your moral values?
- Does this person have any morals/opinions you consider abhorrant?
- Do you find this personal physically attractive?
- What are their family like - you marry a family, not an individual.

The idea of love at first sight, maybe it happens for some, but for most it's lust at first sight. Love is something that comes from compassion. It builds in a relationship. Being considerate, caring, romantic, affectionate that builds love.

What you need to do is;

1. Understand what you want in a Husband.
2. Understand what you want in your life
3. Understand what your limits, boundaries and red lines are.

Then whenever a potential suitor is mentioned, ask to speak to them, ask for opporunity to converse with them. It can be in a public place, it can be in your family home, other people can be present. That is the halal way to do it. Send that person a list of questions, ask them to answer them. Ask them for any questions they have for you.

My sister is looking to get married and these are some of the questions i suggested for her;

Financial
1.
What was your economic background when you grew up? Did you have a poor upbringing, was it working class, middle class, wealthy?

2. What is your current financial situation like? I notice you are working as a teacher and you’ve mentioned you currently own a property in Sheffield. You’ve also stated you have means with which to buy your own home.

3. What is your future financial outlook? What sort of lifestyle do you want to have from and economic perspective and do you have any plans towards achieving that?

Family background
1. how did your parents meet? Was their marriage arranged? What did their families think?
2. are other marriages in the family arranged or otherwise? Opinions

Religious background
1. Which fiqh are you associated with
2. How practising is this person

Cultural background
1. where is his family from in Pakistan? what about maternal family?
2. what quom are they. Do they consider that important.

Kids
1. Do you want to have kids? Do you know how many kids you want to have?
2. How do you envisage them being raised? By a working mum or a full time mum?
3. If we get as far as getting married, are you open to a DNA test before marriage to check for any common genetic issues?
4. What role do you see your siblings playing In the upbringing of your children?
5. What role do you see your partners siblings playing in the upbringing of your children?

Family life/in-laws
1. Do you think it's important to like your in laws or is it okay to just have a working relationship?
2. Do you have any red lines in a marriage? Things you won’t compromise on in life and in marriage?
3. Do you dislike anyone in your extended family and why?
4. How would you handle a situation where your wife wants one thing and your family another? Assuming they were both reasonable but very different positions.

5. Do you plan to live married life in your family home, or in your own home?
6. How involved would you like to be with the day to day events of your family when you are married?
7. How involved would you like to be with the in-laws when you are married?

Conflict resolution
1. How do you behave when angry?
2. How should a husband wife settle a dispute or disagreement?
3. How do settle a dispute where you are clearly right but the other party is stubborn?
4. Have you ever argued a point knowing you were in the wrong? If so why?

Professional
1. what job do you do and why?
2. What are your views on home schooling?
3. What are your views on the use of technology in education?
4. If you could afford to would you send your kids to private school?
5. Where do you see yourself in 5-10 years time?

Personal questions
1. Is there anything you wanted in life but didn’t have?
2. Do you want your kids to have that?
3. If money was no object what would you do with your life?
4. Have you been on hajj or plan to go?
5. Are your social circles made mainly of school friends, uni friends or work friends?
6. What do you do in your spare time to relax?

Here is a PDF of questions that you could ask, some of them are the same.
 

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Okay, so the first thing you must understand is that any marriage process will only work, as you want it to work. You need to be head-strong and be confident and considered. Don't rush into anything, don't be pressured into anything - ultimately well wishers will put you in dholi and say goodbye - you live with the consequences.

The idea of an arranged marriage is that people reccomend someone to you based on your personalities where they consider things a good match. In reality people are biased by their own relationships, but their own selfishness, so it doesn't always work. Many couples who get married through arranged marriages can end up doing a lot of work/compromise because it works. This is only the case where it is done badly. Done well arranged marriage can be an excellent way to get married.

No marriage is perfect, nobody marries their exact match, every marriage requires some compromise and understanding to achieve perfection. Bliss comes through hard work.

In my opinion before you get married to someone consider;
- Does this person share your moral values?
- Does this person have any morals/opinions you consider abhorrant?
- Do you find this personal physically attractive?
- What are their family like - you marry a family, not an individual.

The idea of love at first sight, maybe it happens for some, but for most it's lust at first sight. Love is something that comes from compassion. It builds in a relationship. Being considerate, caring, romantic, affectionate that builds love.

What you need to do is;

1. Understand what you want in a Husband.
2. Understand what you want in your life
3. Understand what your limits, boundaries and red lines are.

Then whenever a potential suitor is mentioned, ask to speak to them, ask for opporunity to converse with them. It can be in a public place, it can be in your family home, other people can be present. That is the halal way to do it. Send that person a list of questions, ask them to answer them. Ask them for any questions they have for you.

My sister is looking to get married and these are some of the questions i suggested for her;

Financial
1. I come from a working class background. My father worked as a Taxi driver and my mother was a full time mum. My dad supported his parents and siblings back home as well as running a household here in the UK. He often worked 12-16 hour days, 7 days a week.
What was your economic background when you grew up? Did you have a poor upbringing, was it working class, middle class, wealthy?

2. What is your current financial situation like? I notice you are working as a teacher and you’ve mentioned you currently own a property in Sheffield. You’ve also stated you have means with which to buy your own home.

3. What is your future financial outlook? What sort of lifestyle do you want to have from and economic perspective and do you have any plans towards achieving that?

Family background
1. how did your parents meet? Was their marriage arranged? What did their families think?
2. are other marriages in the family arranged or otherwise? Opinions

Religious background
1. Which fiqh are you associated with
2. How practising is this person

Cultural background
1. where is his family from in Pakistan? what about maternal family?
2. what quom are they. Do they consider that important.

Kids
1. Do you want to have kids? Do you know how many kids you want to have?
2. How do you envisage them being raised? By a working mum or a full time mum?
3. If we get as far as getting married, are you open to a DNA test before marriage to check for any common genetic issues?
4. What role do you see your siblings playing In the upbringing of your children?
5. What role do you see your partners siblings playing in the upbringing of your children?

Family life/in-laws
1. Do you think it's important to like your in laws or is it okay to just have a working relationship?
2. Do you have any red lines in a marriage? Things you won’t compromise on in life and in marriage?
3. Do you dislike anyone in your extended family and why?
4. How would you handle a situation where your wife wants one thing and your family another? Assuming they were both reasonable but very different positions.

5. Do you plan to live married life in your family home, or in your own home?
6. How involved would you like to be with the day to day events of your family when you are married?
7. How involved would you like to be with the in-laws when you are married?

Conflict resolution
1. How do you behave when angry?
2. How should a husband wife settle a dispute or disagreement?
3. How do settle a dispute where you are clearly right but the other party is stubborn?
4. Have you ever argued a point knowing you were in the wrong? If so why?

Professional
1. what job do you do and why?
2. What are your views on home schooling?
3. What are your views on the use of technology in education?
4. If you could afford to would you send your kids to private school?
5. Where do you see yourself in 5-10 years time?

Personal questions
1. Is there anything you wanted in life but didn’t have?
2. Do you want your kids to have that?
3. If money was no object what would you do with your life?
4. Have you been on hajj or plan to go?
5. Are your social circles made mainly of school friends, uni friends or work friends?
6. What do you do in your spare time to relax?

Here is a PDF of questions that you could ask, some of them are the same.
This comprehensive answer is really helpful. Thank you so much brother. May Allah bless you.
 
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but do they get fed up of each other? Do they regret their decision?

By the way getting fed up, regretting decisions and divorce rate is higher in love marriages than arranged, at-least that's my observations. Anyway, to make marriage successful both partners have to put effort - doesn't matter it's love or arrange. Best of luck.
 
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Few random thoughts:

You don’t necessarily search for your bride at the bars

Married couples have a fixed quota of love and hate! In arranged marriage you start spending them both after the marriage. In love marriage you use up the “love” quota before the marriage, so only “hate” is left after the marriage
 
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I think both types of marriages can work, but arranged marriages work out better.

I hope whatever you do works out well.

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I wouldn't know very much since I am probably younger than you so don't take my advice
 
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This is a defense forum sunshine.
He is trying to find the defence to arranged marriage 💑
How do arranged marriages work? Would members here advise against or in favour of arranged marriages? Does the couple need to have understanding and feelings for each other before marriage?
If you are ugly go for arranged marriage. You will get a bride out of your league and you have no hope of pulling a woman.
If you are good looking you may get a woman but no guarantee it will work
 
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How do arranged marriages work?
In Pakistan mostly: here he or she would be a good match. You should marry him or her.

When he or she is your relative things get messy and the emotional blackmailing starts. Daddy promised his little brother to marry his son off to his brothers daughter and vice versa. In this constellation there is mostly no choice, you will be dragged into marrying someone either by force or guilt-tripping. I did this and that for you, you must marry him and stuff like that.

OTOH there are also families with double digit IQ, so in that case they are good matchmakers and find someone for you and give you the final call, they just start the line of communication, nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of arranged marriages, but only when double digit IQ people are involved.

Would members here advise against or in favour of arranged marriages?
I have seen many marriages breaking up for the most trivial reasons (arranged and love marriages), so there is no guarantee in life for having a successfull marriage. People are different and different family dynamics are at play.

I wrote this back in January:

Things are not that easy brother.

I have seen married couples breaking up after 40 years of marriage having 5 kids because of the most trivial things. A turkish grandfather divorcing his wife because she didn't give him money for the car of his cousin back in Turkey and stuff like that (arranged marriage).

One of my colleagues was married to his school crush knowing each other since 6th grade or so. The marriage lasted 12 months and they filed for divorce 2 weeks after their daughter was born (love marriage).

On the ohter hand I know people who married after having an "accident" (i. e. baby on the way) in their late teens who are still togehter (late 40ies now).

And yes, my parents also had an arranged marriage (there is a big difference between arranged and forced!). 35 years and couting alhamdulillah :D.

The divorce stats in the West are crazy, literally everbody I know was either divorced or had multiple partners in his life time. The thing is maybe many couples are only together for "logh kya kahe ghe" or because one partner depends on the other, but in the West you have the state as sugar daddy. Relationships are just products of the throwaway society (I like that word, because it's so true). You have your first minor crisis (emphasis is on minor not domestic abuse and stuff like that)? Divorce and break-up it is! Alimony will be paid by my partner and if not the state will provide for me. No need to fix anything and create a stable society. Stable societies depend on stable families. That's a fact. You can check the stats to that. The state subsidizes such toxic immature behaviour with lots of tax payer money.

And nobody cares about the kids. In German we have word for those kids: "Scheidungswaise" ("Scheidung" meaning divorce and "Waise" meaning orphan).

Our Deen teaches us how to be good husbands and wives, how to conduct marriage and other simple rules in regards to that. Islam is not about gender segregation, most of our traditions come from old pagan rituals and Islam came to bury those rituals!

I am not into romantic facebook post, but I really liked that one :D:
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May Allah help us all to find a rightous spouse and may he grant all of us a happy marriage life who already found the one :D

Does the couple need to have understanding and feelings for each other before marriage?
This would be a big plus but not necessarily, love and affection come with time. I know it's against the Western or Bollywood perception of a happy marriage, but people should also consider rational points and not only feelings that are temporary or fade away with time.
 
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If I had my choice I would have married the girl I had loved since my senior year of high school. But because she was white if I had chosen my heart it would have meant going against my parent's wishes and getting kicked out of the house and what I thought would be a selfish choice.

I married a Sikh jatt girl who was good-looking well educated and from a good family. I hated it at first had nothing in common with my wife I married a stranger. I stayed out at nights cheated on her and would not really give her any love. This continued for a couple of years until one evening my wife had gone to bed and i was smoking a joint in my backyard. Something in me just thought how good my wife was and if someone treated my daughter like I treated her I would kill him. I then started staying home going out with her and we started getting on real well but the love for her was not still there. The love came after the birth of our first child I grew close to her and now 17 years later I'm so glad to have her by my side and love her to bits.

Arranged marriages are hard you marry a stranger and it feels weird but give it time don't keep thinking of the girl you left and try to build a bond by spending quality time together and then they can be just as strong as love marriages
 
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My mum also wants me to get married to a “well settled family” she knows in Pakistan in 3-4 years, however arrange marriage just doesn’t feel right for me, I mean if you fall in love with someone beforehand then I think you should get a love marriage, however if you don’t have a bf/gf I think arrange marriages are fine. Arrange marriages apparently last much much longer, however everyone’s different. If it was me in your place, I’d say stay single and enjoy life while you can.
If I had my choice I would have married the girl I had loved since my senior year of high school. But because she was white if I had chosen my heart it would have meant going against my parent's wishes and getting kicked out of the house and what I thought would be a selfish choice.

I married a Sikh jatt girl who was good-looking well educated and from a good family. I hated it at first had nothing in common with my wife I married a stranger. I stayed out at nights cheated on her and would not really give her any love. This continued for a couple of years until one evening my wife had gone to bed and i was smoking a joint in my backyard. Something in me just thought how good my wife was and if someone treated my daughter like I treated her I would kill him. I then started staying home going out with her and we started getting on real well but the love for her was not still there. The love came after the birth of our first child I grew close to her and now 17 years later I'm so glad to have her by my side and love her to bits.

Arranged marriages are hard you marry a stranger and it feels weird but give it time don't keep thinking of the girl you left and try to build a bond by spending quality time together and then they can be just as strong as love marriages
Exactly, tbh Im Defo above average in looks, if it was up to me I can get a gf rn easily, however the issue is, upsetting my parents, my parents have always said it’s fine if I eventually get a gf and get married, but their “wish” is to get married to someone they want, end of day that means you can’t go against their wish.
 
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How do arranged marriages work? Would members here advise against or in favour of arranged marriages? Does the couple need to have understanding and feelings for each other before marriage?
If there is understanding, feelings can automatically be developed after marriage.

If you developed feelings earlier and then for some reason the marriage doesn't happen then it would be emotionally very painful.

Also there is a reason why dating/premarital relations are forbidden in Islam.
 
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Mine was arranged, 15 years and 3 kids down the road i can tell you that i have little to no regrets, i have seen couples of 10 years or so getting married just to get separated just in couple of years, things after marriage change A LOT ... huge difference in saying AWWW WUV YOU MUHAAH MUHAAH on WhatsApp/SMS and actually living together ... sheeesh
 
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