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Army warns Hate-Speakers, Don't push it

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They were created to damage PML (N) vote bank in Punjab.

And the same institution talking of action now was saying:

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1568966/1-pm-and-coas-mull-options-to-sort-out-faizabad-fiasco/
hmmmmmmmm , does that mean Army passed that bill in NA ??????? And does that mean Army signed agreement with them in Punjab ????? And does that mean Army gave them safe roads till Islamabad ???? And does that mean Army gave the statement "Mian sab in logo ko nikalo jinho nay ye ghustakhi ki hai"""
I thought it was PML-N govt . Shabaz Shareef and Rana sana (again PML-N) govt did that agreement in Punjab … Ans I m so wrong I think Shabaz shareef put that demand in front of his brother NS.
 
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pakistan have good chance to be a free of extreamism and terrorism a liberal country . but they will keep sucking mullahs

Pakistan will never become a liberal country. Liberals are dump and as stupid as these jahil people who are destroying their own country. Don’t blame everything on Army, our politicians are not saints. We have become a 5th world country because of our corrupt politicians.

As far as Extremism is concerned, it can be resolved easily by introducing proper checks and balances and specif laws that deals with issues like these.
 
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who, the rioters or the authorities?

The rioters, of course.

1.) Counter-narrative; expose rioters as anti-Islam and anti-state as they are breaking both religious and civic responsibilities given the nature of their protest (violent, destroying private property, causing disruption, losses to businesses, looting and plundering, etc.)

2.) Invite the rioting barbarians to explain exactly why, under Islamic principles, they oppose this verdict. They will fail. There is not enough proof to establish a blasphemy conviction. Further exposed.

3.) Invite them to peacefully protest in designated areas and at designated times. This is their right. Blocking highways, destroying property, burning cars, etc., is not. Further exposed when they don't follow this.

4.) Then, when they are sufficiently exposed as nothing but anti-state opportunists, do the operation when they clearly fail to head #3 and other warnings. Focus on arrests rather than indiscriminate use of force.

5.) Prosecute those involved, especially the leaders. Treason wouldn't be a stretch given some of their statements encouraging mutiny and the killing of judges.

We follow this path of hoping things fizzle out every single time. Sure, it avoids short-term chaos but it also emboldens and further empowers these anti-State elements. The message is: you can take over the country any time, destroy property, disrupt lives, etc., and we'll just wait for you to go home. The write of the State has to be established, even if there is short-term violence.
 
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@313ghazi

As this judge has quoted and twisted judgement with a religious justification we should accept, what stupid logic.

Islamophobia and abusing and mocking islam is not a reality?

What was the need to take up her case by this oscar winning actor Chief justice. He knew the detail behind this, knew the reaction. Ant he world knew the international pressure as well.

Please check the no. of NGOs operating in Pakistan and some that were asked to stop operations land leave the country. Christian missionary and evangelical NGO organizations are operating freely here. Nobody objects if they work within the laws . But they have been used to destroy Pakistan's image abroad. There are more such NGOs operating here than pre-2001.
Paksitan has had little or no investment from US or West but Media and Religious NGOs have pumped in huge money here for what?
 
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@313ghazi

As this judge has quoted and twisted judgement with a religious justification we should accept, what stupid logic.

Islamophobia and abusing and mocking islam is not a reality?

What was the need to take up her case by this oscar winning actor Chief justice. He knew the detail behind this, knew the reaction. Ant he world knew the international pressure as well.

Please check the no. of NGOs operating in Pakistan and some that were asked to stop operations land leave the country. Christian missionary and evangelical NGO organizations are operating freely here. Nobody objects if they work within the laws . But they have been used to destroy Pakistan's image abroad. There are more such NGOs operating here than pre-2001.
Paksitan has had little or no investment from US or West but Media and Religious NGOs have pumped in huge money here for what?

Thank you for actually engaging about the verdict.

Which part of the verdict do you feel is twisted?
 
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hmmmmmmmm , does that mean Army passed that bill in NA ??????? And does that mean Army signed agreement with them in Punjab ????? And does that mean Army gave them safe roads till Islamabad ???? And does that mean Army gave the statement "Mian sab in logo ko nikalo jinho nay ye ghustakhi ki hai"""
I thought it was PML-N govt . Shabaz Shareef and Rana sana (again PML-N) govt did that agreement in Punjab … Ans I m so wrong I think Shabaz shareef put that demand in front of his brother NS.

All political parties including PTI supported that bill. Shafqat Mehmood from PTI signed the bill.

The only difference is PTI did point scoring at that time and now opposition is not doing the same.
 
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All political parties including PTI supported that bill. Shafqat Mehmood from PTI signed the bill.

The only difference is PTI did point scoring at that time and now opposition is not doing the same.
So my dear all of them are also responsible...………. Not Army or Army alone...……..
You can see many people twitting PML-N mna and pma helping molvi……. even pee pee pee helping and supporting.....With other Anti-state parties and elements
 
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Pakistan will never become a liberal country.
Extremism issue can be resolved easily by introducing proper checks and balances in society.
pakistan will keep bleeding every year just count it from 1979 every 5 years you have new mullah in action
Tehrik-e-Jafaria Pakistan 1979 sajid naqwi
sipa e sahaba 1984 riyaz basra- haq nawaz jhangwi
Sipah-i Sahabah in Jhang on 6 September 1985 malik ishaq - azam tariq
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi 1996 riyaz basra
1988 Gilgit massacre
sufi mohmmad swat rebelion 1992
1994 Malakand Division Revolt
1995 to 2000 secterian killings
2005 TTP forming
2007 lal masijd abdul aziz abdul rasheed
2007 baitullah mehsood
2008 sawat war - mullah radio
2009 - ttp hakeem ullah mehssod
2013 mullah radio ttp chief
2015 khadim rizvi


kirdaar badly raheen gay game yehi rahy gi . her saal aik nya mullah uthy ga poory paksitan ko jalata rahy ga jab tak ke mulk religion or politics ko alaag nhi ker deta

 
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Guys the million rupee question is very simple -

We are all Muslims. But who has the right to arrogate sovereignty of Allah on earth? Who is the final arbiter in Islam. In cricket we have umpires. Who is the definitive umpire/s in Islam?


  • Mullahs
  • Judges
  • PM
  • Parliament
  • Generals
  • Politico-religious groups
  • hereditey Kings
  • each of us [limited to our private space]
  • Non of us mortals but left to hereafter
  • other

This is the million rupee question, which if not resolved will coming back to bite us again, again, again and again. We are going to continously get TTPs, Mullah Radio, Lal Masjids, Rizvi's etc

@KediKesenFare @padamchen @OsmanAli98 etc Thoughts please?
in islam the ruler or the khalifa has the power. he is bound to take all the decisions in the light of Quran and sunnah. he is elected by the "shura" or the cabinet consisting of the wise, educated and faithful men.
if we go through the history of khilafat e rashida we will see that they didnt give us a definite way of how to select a caliph and how to remove him if the nation is not satisfied with his performance.
 
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Guys the million rupee question is very simple -

We are all Muslims. But who has the right to arrogate sovereignty of Allah on earth? Who is the final arbiter in Islam. In cricket we have umpires. Who is the definitive umpire/s in Islam?


  • Mullahs
  • Judges
  • PM
  • Parliament
  • Generals
  • Politico-religious groups
  • hereditey Kings
  • each of us [limited to our private space]
  • Non of us mortals but left to hereafter
  • other

This is the million rupee question, which if not resolved will keep coming back to bite us again, again, again and again. We are going to continously get TTPs, Mullah Radio, Lal Masjids, Rizvi's etc

@KediKesenFare @padamchen @OsmanAli98 etc Thoughts please?

There isn't a single umpire, it's a system. The head and authority figure of Muslims is a Khalifah, but even the Khalifah has to be answerable to the courts.

For example; Hazrat Ali (AS) at the time of his Khalifat was taken to court by a jew who he had accused of stealing his Armour. The Qazi in fact ruled in favour of the jew due a lack of credible evidence.

https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/islam/general-islamic-topics/42263-the-stolen-armour

@313ghazi

As this judge has quoted and twisted judgement with a religious justification we should accept, what stupid logic.

Islamophobia and abusing and mocking islam is not a reality?

What was the need to take up her case by this oscar winning actor Chief justice. He knew the detail behind this, knew the reaction. Ant he world knew the international pressure as well.

Please check the no. of NGOs operating in Pakistan and some that were asked to stop operations land leave the country. Christian missionary and evangelical NGO organizations are operating freely here. Nobody objects if they work within the laws . But they have been used to destroy Pakistan's image abroad. There are more such NGOs operating here than pre-2001.
Paksitan has had little or no investment from US or West but Media and Religious NGOs have pumped in huge money here for what?


Page 22 of the verdict starts to talk about the inconsistencies in the statements;

Here is a summary (on page 24) of the problems with the witness statements;

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The discussion of the contraditions continues in detail up to page 28.
 
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army created such monsters time to time and then wipe them out . army is harvesting what they grow in last 40 years . now Pakistan is a full rouge state without control of anyone .
And you should apply for a job on Republic TV as Arnab Goswami personnel assistant.

army created such monsters time to time and then wipe them out . army is harvesting what they grow in last 40 years . now Pakistan is a full rouge state without control of anyone .
@Slav Defence @Horus @WebMaster
 
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