Army orders ALCOTAN Shoulder Fired Anti Tank Weapon System

[CriticalThought]

It's a short range (max 600 meter) battle field weapon, light weight and very easy to use. You don't need guidance for such a short distance that is probably covered in 2/3 seconds and aiming is aided by the day/night aiming device. Missiles come integrated in the disposable (10kg) tubes, strap the aiming device to the tube, aim, fire, dispose the tube and move to next location for a repeat cycle.

Given the number of steps required in the heat of the battle and at the kind close ranges it is supposed to work, it makes absolutely no sense at all. On the Kashmir border, is it powerful enough to take out reinforced bunkers? Finally, even if the targeting system is valued at 10x the price of a missile, that makes the value of the missile at 8270.96 American dollars and the price of the targeting system at 82709.65 American dollars!!!?! That is one heck of an expensive targeting system and missile. At that price it better be able to reduce an M1A1 Abrams to rubble, seriously. I mean does it do significantly more damage than anti-tank mines???? @Oscar

Oh and at 600m, what if troops have to make a strategic retreat? This is one heck of an expensive system to leave behind.

All of that said, if the soldier on the ground says he needs it to accomplish his mission, then it is money well spent.

 

[Thorough Pro]

For that we have Baktar Shikan and TOW

Yups that i know. Rpg-32 is a similar weapon with different warheads.

But this weapon not effective in the desert areas where max engagements will happen, that is why i said for getting those weapon systems. These short range weapons r good for ambushes and may be in green areas of punjab where teams can be hidden but not where long range engagements will happen.

 

[TaimiKhan]

For that we have Baktar Shikan and TOW

Try to get my point. BS and TOW are heavy and stationary systems. Relocating them to a new place takes time and man power provided they are not on a vehicle. Hj-12 is light weight, very easy to be moved, 2 man team can carry missiles and its launcher. And as for hj-10 is for another reason that i discussed in another thread. Infantry teams can fire and move in seconds, while BS and Tow takes minutes to disassemble and then move and reassemble. My point is on mobility. This new AT weapon with smart aiming sight gives that to our infantry. Quick accurate firing and then to move.

 

[Path-Finder]

Which AEW&C recovery cost us 130 million?

Its been discussed to death. Its in the pinned thread in airforce section.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Water proof, weather proof, maintenance free, easy logistics, easy carry, easy assembly (firing unit+missile tube), what else do you need?

Given the number of steps required in the heat of the battle and at the kind close ranges it is supposed to work, it makes absolutely no sense at all. On the Kashmir border, is it powerful enough to take out reinforced bunkers? Finally, even if the targeting system is valued at 10x the price of a missile, that makes the value of the missile at 8270.96 American dollars and the price of the targeting system at 82709.65 American dollars!!!?! That is one heck of an expensive targeting system and missile. At that price it better be able to reduce an M1A1 Abrams to rubble, seriously. I mean does it do significantly more damage than anti-tank mines???? @Oscar

Oh and at 600m, what if troops have to make a strategic retreat? This is one heck of an expensive system to leave behind.

All of that said, if the soldier on the ground says he needs it to accomplish his mission, then it is money well spent.

 

[Path-Finder]

For that we have Baktar Shikan and TOW

Those are outdated systems in the modern day conflict. They may work well in low intensity conflict but not in full scale war.

 

[Thorough Pro]

BS maybe, but TOW is still good, its wire guided so jamming proof too, and we also have to look at how advanced are indian armoured div's?

Those are outdated systems in the modern day conflict. They may work well in low intensity conflict but not in full scale war.

 

[fatman17]

So a weapon which went out of production ten years ago was purchased.
Wonder whose fat pockets were lined for this??

Although in retrospect, it may be a genuine find of a decent weapon.
That we will never know

Improvement over the wire guided ATGMS esp in hilly terrain.

 

[Arsalan]

Hazrat @Zarvan good news for you! C90 is reusable like Carl Gustav! Time to say goodbye to RPG-7

http://instalaza.com/producto/c90-reutilizable/?lang=en

Have to say maybe it was a wise choice to go for this!!!

http://instalaza.com/producto/alcotan/?lang=en

seems like a great system not very widely known!

It says it is "single use" and disposable system. Comes factory fitted with one rocket and the system can be discarded after one shot. Plus we opted not for C90 but Alcotan 100. (BTW, both Alcotan and C90 are single use)

Pakistan should produce C90 in Pakistan and replace RPG 7 with it. For Anti Tank HJ 12 and some thing from Turkey is way forward

Alcotan is what is actually REPLACING C90 with Spanish military.

 

[Path-Finder]

It says it is "single use" and disposable system. Comes factory fitted with one rocket and the system can be discarded after one shot. Plus we opted not for C90 but Alcotan 100. (BTW, both Alcotan and C90 are single use)


Alcotan is what is actually REPLACING C90 with Spanish military.

 

[Zarvan]

It says it is "single use" and disposable system. Comes factory fitted with one rocket and the system can be discarded after one shot. Plus we opted not for C90 but Alcotan 100. (BTW, both Alcotan and C90 are single use)


Alcotan is what is actually REPLACING C90 with Spanish military.

Discarded what is meant by that. Can't it be used like RPG 7 ? Just keep putting rockets in launcher and firing it ??

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The idea behind the Alcotan is to consider the rocket and rocket-launcher as one munition. It's like a bullet-and-gun being the same thing - once the bullet is gone, you throw away the gun. It might seem like a backwards idea, but I think Instalaza made the launch system cheap enough to be disposable and light/compact enough to compare with just having the rockets. The other advantage is that if one launcher fails, you move onto the next one and the next without worrying about abandoning your rounds.

 

[Arsalan]

Discarded what is meant by that. Can't it be used like RPG 7 ? Just keep putting rockets in launcher and firing it ??

The targeting system is reusable but the firing system/tube is single shot. We are getting 158 targeting systems with 1413 ALCOTAN AT (M2) shots. Once fired, the tube is discarded, it comes factory fitted with the projectile and is not meant to be reloaded.

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Instalaza C90 90mm Disposable Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher
Spanish military industry has produced many indigenous solutions to local requirements throughout the decades, proving itself a capable player on the world stage. Instalaza SA, founded during World War 2 in 1943, specializes in the field of infantry-level weaponry and developed the MAT-120 mortar cluster munition system, Alhambra hand grenade, and the C90 series of anti-tank Rocket-Propelled Grenade (RPG) weapons. The latter is a 90mm caliber, single-shot anti-armor solution that entered service with the Spanish Army, Marines, Air Force and Guardia Civil. It has also found a home in the inventories of Colombia, Ecuador, Estonia, India, Italy (special forces), Indonesia, and Malaysia.

The C90 system includes a collapsible fiberglass/plastic launch tube with integrated optics fit and shoulder strap. Overall weight is 4.8 kilograms and its length reaches 940mm. The projectile is a 90mm munition featuring a tandem High-Explosive (HE) warhead with an effective range out to 300 meters. The 2x optical sight can help the operator engage a moving target in either day or night. The CR-90 family is similar in most respects to the American M72 LAW, both being fired from the shoulder and disposable after single use.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=955

 

[WaLeEdK2]

The targeting system is reusable but the firing system/tube is single shot. We are getting 158 targeting systems with 1413 ALCOTAN AT (M2) shots. Once fired, the tube is discarded, it comes factory fitted with the projectile and is not meant to be reloaded.

The army should try pursuing a reusable system. This means the RPGs are not being replaced as of yet.

 

[TaimiKhan]

The army should try pursuing a reusable system. This means the RPGs are not being replaced as of yet.

RPGs are evergreen system [emoji4]

I doubt they will be taken out of service for decades. But can be made more deadlier by adding different warheads and good optical sights, if possible smart ones just like this new ones have.