Army Operation In Swat
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I know almost every single corner of Swat, my cousin is also now deployed in Swat ( he is a major). I am always worried as my family lives in Swat and few of my family members were even kidnapped by Tehreek-e-Nifaze Shariat people when they first started this in 90s, as people from this Tehreek are against elections etc. and my family members do take part in politics and area matters. My uncle told me that he feels many militants are NOT local to Swat, and they have arrived from various parts of the country
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No offense to you too mr
But i bet you on this Parwant is not a common name in Swat. i repeat i can bet on it.
Now as far Lashkar well what is the name of that Taliban leader from Bajaur ???
you know what most of anti-Pakistan elements including uzbeks and again people of Baitullah (who the Taliban and Mullah Umer is doubting and did doubt). his role too much doubtful, besides hez working in hand with anti-Pakistan Northern Alliance, and Co which you know who NA Co partner is.
Pluse hes also playing game of US to harm our relations with China.
anyway Imposition of Sharia is not something of any problem, the only Problem is now these foreign elements and enemies of Pakistan within Ranks of Fazlullah and Inshallah
im all Smiles today they are being wiped out in few days.
AS far sentimental well we are not we are debating it with links and logics not like anyone who claims and when caught come up with lame excuses.
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But i bet you on this Parwant is not a common name in Swat. i repeat i can bet on it.
Now as far Lashkar well what is the name of that Taliban leader from Bajaur ???
you know what most of anti-Pakistan elements including uzbeks and again people of Baitullah (who the Taliban and Mullah Umer is doubting and did doubt). his role too much doubtful, besides hez working in hand with anti-Pakistan Northern Alliance, and Co which you know who NA Co partner is.Pluse hes also playing game of US to harm our relations with China.
anyway Imposition of Sharia is not something of any problem, the only Problem is now these foreign elements and enemies of Pakistan within Ranks of Fazlullah and Inshallah
im all Smiles today they are being wiped out in few days.
AS far sentimental well we are not we are debating it with links and logics not like anyone who claims and when caught come up with lame excuses.
Jana
Well So how much bet on the name Parwant lol?
If you refer it as lame excuse, it is NOT. Being from Swat, all this surrounds my own people and hence REAL PICTURE. Many people may be getting news from News channels, I get it from my family who live in Swat and see all the happenings themselves.
I feel the situation in Swat is different from Waziristan as it looks like people will support the Pakistani Forces as against to what happened in Waziristan.
If you refer it as lame excuse, it is NOT. Being from Swat, all this surrounds my own people and hence REAL PICTURE. Many people may be getting news from News channels, I get it from my family who live in Swat and see all the happenings themselves.
I feel the situation in Swat is different from Waziristan as it looks like people will support the Pakistani Forces as against to what happened in Waziristan.
The Taliban leader who has announced a lashkar of 10,000 to support the fighters against Pakistani Forces is Maulana Faqir Muhammad.
Link to this is on BBC Urdu website:
BBCUrdu.com
Link to this is on BBC Urdu website:
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Sorry, actually you're right. That news is from July 18, rather than November 18 as I mistook it for.Mods and Admin time to check this Mr JF-17 now
Check the date of the news it says , July 18, 2007
While it is November 17 today.
Guess i was doubtful about him but now you guys better check him.
Long live pakistan
Long live the nation we love
Long live the land of evil that persecutes its people, there is no justice and fairness.
Long live pakistan if hunger and disesase wont kill you pakistan will.
Long live pakistan for whom our fathers have layed their lives, boy what a waste.
Long live pakistan a toy for the military who do what they like.
Long live pakistan cuz it was made for punjabis and sindhis.
Long live the nation we love
Long live the land of evil that persecutes its people, there is no justice and fairness.
Long live pakistan if hunger and disesase wont kill you pakistan will.
Long live pakistan for whom our fathers have layed their lives, boy what a waste.
Long live pakistan a toy for the military who do what they like.
Long live pakistan cuz it was made for punjabis and sindhis.
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No demands should be entertained until the militants lay down their arms - whether they are local or foreign. That is an internationally recognized principle. Th egovernment gave a very, very long time and plenty of opportunities to these people to lay down their arms - they refused. The choice and responsibility is theirs now, not the governments.
Amen brother!
But its so much easier to blame the "majority" or the "other" than to accept responsibility for our own actions. Awaaz doesn't even want the medieval tribal code touched - let alone allow reforms - the Tribal areas are where his "home boys roll", yet he has the audacity to accuse "Punjab and Sindh" for the problems there.
How about changing your attitude and supporting development, reform and modernization in the region Awaaz? You may find out that your biggest enemy and cause for backwardness is yourself.
I think that dialogue is must. Our Govt. has had agreements with local tribes in Waziristan. Swat used to be a very developed state before it joined Pakistan in 60s. The law and order was examplary, so was the education and health.
In addition to many things, Govt. has to think about it that why a peaceful area became a place of voilence, especially when a vast majority is against the voilence. I feel that when there were few issues eg. a single FM radio, few people against the Polio vaccination compaign etc., actions would have been taken, early action for law and order does prevent massive sufferings. I am sure in the very start this issue could have been solved even by a police SHO.
In addition to many things, Govt. has to think about it that why a peaceful area became a place of voilence, especially when a vast majority is against the voilence. I feel that when there were few issues eg. a single FM radio, few people against the Polio vaccination compaign etc., actions would have been taken, early action for law and order does prevent massive sufferings. I am sure in the very start this issue could have been solved even by a police SHO.
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I agree completely that these issues should be nipped in the bud - but to handle the issue of Swat in that manner was the provincial governments responsibility, and who was in power in the NWFP? The MMA of course.
They dilly dallied and let their "home boy" Mullah run loose and spread terror, and it got to this point. The local administration bears a lot of responsibility for this. In the same token, the LM issue should have been handled sooner as well, and Ijaz ul Haq's role in allowing it to fester cannot be ignored - like father like son......
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Army masses for operation in Swat
Sunday, November 18, 2007
MINGORA: The army looked set to increase military activity against militants in Swat Valley after fresh reinforcements of troops, tanks, armoured vehicles and other heavy weaponry reached Swat district on Saturday.
Within days: During a rare media briefing at the armys headquarters, a senior commander said the army had assembled about 15,000 troops in Mingora, the valleys main town, and would launch its main offensive within days because militants from Afghanistan as well as the lawless Pakistani border regions of Waziristan and Bajaur had reinforced the followers of rebel cleric Maulana Fazlullah in Swat.
General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the director general of military operations, said they planned to push the militants back into the rugged Piochar side valley where they had established bases. We will bottle up as many of them as possible and then eliminate them, Pasha said. This is our killing ground, he added.
He said the army hoped to reopen the area to the public by the end of December.
Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said members of banned Sunni Muslim extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi had also rallied to rebel cleric Maulana Fazlullahs cause.
He said the Alipuri area of Shangla district had been cleared of miscreants and troops were advancing to push them out of the rest of the areas. Eyewitnesses, however, told Daily Times that Taliban militants in at least 30 vehicles re-entered Shangla at 9pm on Saturday.
House ransacked: Locals said that the Taliban ransacked the house of former federal minister Amir Muqam in Alipuri and seized four vehicles. Militants also seized a bus from Alipuri College, a pickup truck from the district police officers office and two vehicles from the office of a local non-government organisation, residents said.
Murad Khan, a resident of Daulat Kalay Banda, claimed that eight Taliban were killed as the army rained mortars on a house where they had taken refuge. Murad, however, refused to talk about civilian casualties. staff report/agencies
Daily Times
Sunday, November 18, 2007
MINGORA: The army looked set to increase military activity against militants in Swat Valley after fresh reinforcements of troops, tanks, armoured vehicles and other heavy weaponry reached Swat district on Saturday.
Within days: During a rare media briefing at the armys headquarters, a senior commander said the army had assembled about 15,000 troops in Mingora, the valleys main town, and would launch its main offensive within days because militants from Afghanistan as well as the lawless Pakistani border regions of Waziristan and Bajaur had reinforced the followers of rebel cleric Maulana Fazlullah in Swat.
General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the director general of military operations, said they planned to push the militants back into the rugged Piochar side valley where they had established bases. We will bottle up as many of them as possible and then eliminate them, Pasha said. This is our killing ground, he added.
He said the army hoped to reopen the area to the public by the end of December.
Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said members of banned Sunni Muslim extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi had also rallied to rebel cleric Maulana Fazlullahs cause.
He said the Alipuri area of Shangla district had been cleared of miscreants and troops were advancing to push them out of the rest of the areas. Eyewitnesses, however, told Daily Times that Taliban militants in at least 30 vehicles re-entered Shangla at 9pm on Saturday.
House ransacked: Locals said that the Taliban ransacked the house of former federal minister Amir Muqam in Alipuri and seized four vehicles. Militants also seized a bus from Alipuri College, a pickup truck from the district police officers office and two vehicles from the office of a local non-government organisation, residents said.
Murad Khan, a resident of Daulat Kalay Banda, claimed that eight Taliban were killed as the army rained mortars on a house where they had taken refuge. Murad, however, refused to talk about civilian casualties. staff report/agencies
Daily Times
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JF-17 Thunder when will you please learn not to post the old news man.
we had already posted this yesterday.
we had already posted this yesterday.
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Residents of three Waziristan villages told to evacuate
Sunday, November 18, 2007
MIRANSHAH: Authorities have served notices on residents of three villages in North Waziristan to leave their homes as a military operation is likely to be launched hours after a military convoy was attacked near one of the three villages, officials said on Saturday.
The villages are Qutabkhel, Tolkhel and Chasma, the officials said. We have served notices on residents of the three villages to leave homes as an operation can be launched any time, they added.
The notice was served four hours after a military convoy was attacked with a remote-controlled bomb near Chashma village causing damage to military vehicles and injuring two civilians. Local residents said people had started leaving their homes for fears of an operation by security forces. staff report
Daily Times
Sunday, November 18, 2007
MIRANSHAH: Authorities have served notices on residents of three villages in North Waziristan to leave their homes as a military operation is likely to be launched hours after a military convoy was attacked near one of the three villages, officials said on Saturday.
The villages are Qutabkhel, Tolkhel and Chasma, the officials said. We have served notices on residents of the three villages to leave homes as an operation can be launched any time, they added.
The notice was served four hours after a military convoy was attacked with a remote-controlled bomb near Chashma village causing damage to military vehicles and injuring two civilians. Local residents said people had started leaving their homes for fears of an operation by security forces. staff report
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