Army Operation In Swat

[Flintlock]

So perhaps he's trying to blame India, whilst he could really be someone from the Northern Alliance. That would make better sense.

So, Northern Alliance and Taliban are working together in SWAT, aided by Hindu RAW agents?

Wow man!! Brilliant theory!!

Looks like the common goal of destroying Pakistan has brought the 2 worst enemies together!!

 

[roadrunner]

^It doesn't hurt to think before you type. My suggestion was Northern Alliance secet agent hiding his identity by calling himself Parwant or whatever, and pretending to be Taliban or a local to get around. Alright, India is a backer of the Northern Alliance. but perhaps it's to deflect attention if he's Northern Alliance and make some connection with India. That's better than your theory that he's local trying to blow up his own home.

Anyhow, all I was saying was that your incorrect to think that he can't have been Indian else the Taliban would have killed him. Perhaps he was Indian, learnt some Pushto (but even that doesn't matter since many people there don't speak Pushto), and pretended to be part of the Taliban. Anyhow, it's all weak conspiracies. He could be anyone, even who he says he is.

 

[Flintlock]

^It doesn't hurt to think before you type. My suggestion was Northern Alliance secet agent hiding his identity by calling himself Parwant or whatever, and pretending to be Taliban or a local to get around. Alright, India is a backer of the Northern Alliance. but perhaps it's to deflect attention if he's Northern Alliance and make some connection with India. That's better than your theory that he's local trying to blow up his own home.

Anyhow, all I was saying was that your incorrect to think that he can't have been Indian else the Taliban would have killed him. Perhaps he was Indian, learnt some Pushto (but even that doesn't matter since many people there don't speak Pushto), and pretended to be part of the Taliban. Anyhow, it's all weak conspiracies. He could be anyone, even who he says he is.

Dude. firstly its not a very easy job to infiltrate an organization such as the Taliban. These people are tribals who know their own very well. Imposters will be so easily identified (especially those from India) they might as well be roaming around with a RAW T-shirt.

Secondly, there is absolutely NO WAY the Northern Alliance is involved in any of this. NA is in Afghanistan and is fighting against the Taliban, not with them.

Thirdly, Locals involved with the Taliban aren't trying to blow their own home, they are trying to establish Sharia law, which is a known fact. It is much more likely that he is a local allied with the Taliban (have you forgotten mullah radio already??) than an Indian RAW agent who will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[roadrunner]

^^Taliban is not a strictly Pashtun movement. There are many Tajiks and Uzbeks in there who speak different languages as well as some Urdu speakers. That should answer your first two points.

Your last point is I havent seen any evidence that locals are destroying their own homes (and suicide bombing the security forces). I've seen artist impressions of some of them and they look Tajik or Hazara or Uzbek. Perhaps one is Islamabad was reported as a possible NWFP local. Course a radical militant is a radical militant, doesnt matter where they come from.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

How can Tajiks and Uzbeks use Pakistani soil as if it is their own, and on top of it, carry out anti Pakistan activities from there?

The locals must weed them out.

 

[roadrunner]

Some cross from Afghanistan. noone really can stop them. Some locals are stupid enough to support them.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Some of the short comings mentioned here by Musharraf, especially the grounding of the Cobra's, may explain why the Army has not taken immediate action. One out of twenty Cobra's is pretty bad. There was another post a while back that discussed the same issue, wrt US checks on equipments supplied causing the soldiers to essentially pull back while inventorying etc. was carried out.

He said his army was limited in its resources for taking on the militants. “Ten days back, of 20 Cobra helicopters, we have only one that was serviceable,” he said. “We need more support.”

His army even needed help from the United States on efforts to shut down the FM radio signal of a leading pro-Taliban religious leader, Maulana Fazlullah, whose militant followers have been rapidly gaining territory in the area of Swat in the North-West Frontier Province.

“You give us the technical means to do it,” he said. “We’ve tried everything.”

“We’ve adopted all technical means,” he added, but so far his forces have failed to squelch the imam’s transmissions, which are believed to be fairly amateurish.

Militant activity in the rugged northwest has increased markedly this year, raising questions among Pakistanis about how American money for the army was being used. General Musharraf said the army had now regrouped in northern and southern Waziristan, where it faced the strongest challenge from the militants, whom he called a “vicious enemy.”

“Now wherever the disturbance, we will strike very, very strongly,” he said.

 

[Cheetah786]

See This is exactly the problem i have with Pakistani journalists calling terrorist Militants.

Second question if i may ask where the fook all that Defence money and USA aid is going if we cant even afford a freaking jammer.

 

[JK!]

See This is exactly the problem i have with Pakistani journalists calling terrorist Militants.

Second question if i may ask where the fook all that Defence money and USA aid is going if we cant even afford a freaking jammer.

The answer to that is in an article Webmaster posted in the Paramilitary news and discussions thread under army section.

The jist of it is that rather than use money for WoT equipment the armed forces bought items like the 115 M109A5 SPG etc.

 

[EagleEyes]

Yes, indeed. Think of it a bonus and modernization. The money was not really given for the War on Terror. We are fighting our own.

 

[Spring Onion]

How can Tajiks and Uzbeks use Pakistani soil as if it is their own, and on top of it, carry out anti Pakistan activities from there?

The locals must weed them out.

Geo US

The Afganistan Government had been opposing installtion of biometric system on Pak-Afghan border specially in Balochistan.
But why ???
YOu can guess.

We had a porouse border and its a long border with Afghanistan so these militants need not to get permission to cross over with backing and support of our enemies.

 

[HAIDER]

First afghan oppose fencing, now biometric. What afghan wants, its time for ISI start operation inside afghanistan and clean all Indian consulates.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Biometric system will weed out the foreign elements!

No more Parwants!

In fact, it will be good for Pakistan as also Afghanistan.

 

[A.Rahman]

Army claims Pakistan rebel deaths

At least 33 militants have been killed in clashes between the army and pro-Taleban rebels in north-western Pakistan, the military has said.

The troops attacked rebel positions in the mountains of Swat using helicopter gunships and artillery.

Two soldiers were also killed in the attack, the army said.

Located near the country's restive tribal area along the Afghan border, Swat has been the scene of recent clashes between the two sides.

The authorities say there are fears that the Swat valley is becoming a haven for al-Qaeda and the Taleban and last month the army sent reinforcements to the area.

Shelling

The men were killed on Wednesday in a series of attacks in Swat, a valley about 160kms (100 miles) northwest of the capital, Islamabad, army spokesman Maj Gen Waheed Arshad said.

"Helicopters were used in the operation. They shelled known militant positions on hill tops," he said.

"In one incident a vehicle carrying 17 militants was targeted, the vehicle fell from a hilltop and all were killed. They were militants, there is no doubt, they had arms," he added.

Officials said the dead militants were loyal to a pro-Taleban rebel cleric, Maulana Fazlullah.

An army statement said militants fired six mortar rounds on Wednesday at the airport near Mingora, the region's main town, killing two troops and injuring five more.

Ringed by mountains, the Swat Valley is a scenic area traditionally popular with tourists, but has been overrun by militants in recent times.

source:BBC

 

[jantobanto]

opreation, in swat is justified but there shouldbe some pakistani media , reporting that all?

and also pakarmy should take care the civillians over there, because in the near future pakarmy may need the help of the people from swat against
the enemy inside our borders and outside our borders.

anyway , with musharf, or with out musharf, pakaramy will be facing big hidden enemy , mainly baised in afghanistan opreating in pakistan from
our NWFP,province so pakarmy also needed to win hearts of common
man living in those areas?