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Arjun Mk.II Tank Clears All Army Trials, Service Next Year

Its not your fault. Many Indians are too blinded by nationalist pride to see the obvious.

The last proper standard rifle IA had after the SMLE was the 7.62x51mm FN-FAL. It was a good and accurate rifle and was much favored by NATO in the early 70s. But then the world had moved on to the 5.56x45 mm round which was lighter hence more stable, more rounds could be fired and was able to be fired at full auto, something impossible for the .30 caliber.

Further to this DRDO was sent a proposal for a new rifle in the 80s and the DRDO set to work at their own leisurely pace. Meanwhile in Sri Lanka the army learnt a bitter lesson that the FN-FAL had passed its usefulness and the IA needs a new lighter weapon. The FN-FAL was proving disastrous in guerrilla and counter-insurgency operations in Jaffna but the DRDO rifle was yet to be introduced. The IA purchased many Romanian kalashnikovs as an ad-hoc measure.

Around 94-95 the INSAS finally made its debut but to the dismay of the IA it was not what they had expected. The rifle was shorter in length but weighed almost the same as the FN-FAL, had 20 rounds ammo just like the FN-FAL and provided no advantage of using the 5.56 mm round which was the main reason why the army wanted to field 5.56 mm rifles. The IA was handed a 5.56 version of the 7.62mm FN-FAL rifle. It could not fire full auto like other 5.56 mm rifles, it did not carry a standard 30 round mag like 5.56 mm rifles worldwide and it weighed as much as a 7.62x51mm rifle minus the punching power.

If you visit the archives and read then you will find the IA criticised the INSAS during Kargil conflict.

Arjun is the most advanced MBT today? From what analysis have you come to this conclusion, please elaborate on this. How does the Arjun fare against the mighty Leo 2, Abram, Challenger 2, LeClerc and Merkava tanks which are universally considered the best in the world of MBT?

What, I repeat, WHAT advantage does the Arjun provide over the T-90 that IA should pay more for a tank that is too heavy and difficult to mobilise? How is the army supposed to deploy a 58 ton tank when infrastructure of rail, bridges etc. have trouble supporting anything over 50 tons? What is the power-to-weight ratio of the Arjun? How many T-90s can be purchased for the price of one Arjun?

The T-90 is already delivering whatever the needs of IA are. And India is fielding 1500 T-90s as of now. So instead of replacing all 1500 T-90s with 1500 Arjuns it would make more sense to add another 1500 T-90s to the mix. Why waste so much time and money on a tank that is the same as the one currently fielded by the IA?

Commanche was a high-tech stealth helicopter built by USA but it was scrapped later because the US army found it obsolete. Now you might wonder why was a stealth chopper considered obsolete, after all stealth age has just started right? Because the missions required for the Commanche was already fulfiled by cheaper, simpler, easy-to-use drones.

In the same way, Arjun is obsolete because whatever Arjun can do is already being done and done beautifully by the T-90.


you are unware of the facts and you should educate your self. the Arjun Mk-1 alone out gunned and outperformed the T-90S in IA's own competitive trials.

Broadsword: Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90

The Arjun mk-2 only lacks a ATS like the Trophy but for the rest, its a beast which has good speed on road (75km) and (40km off road), its all up weight is 68 Ton including the mine plough. It will soon receive an even more powerful engine that will improve its performance and ATS like Trophy. The T-90 can only hope to match its reliability. the Arjun's trials included over 70,000km of distances covered, its one of the most well tested tank in the world, if not the most.

Support structure can be created, this shouldn't be the reason to shun a great home made product. Just because LCA requires a whole set new infrastructure and support systems doesn't mean we shouldn't buy it.

Also IA is not fielding 1500 T-90s, so far less than a 1000 are delivered to IA.
 
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You are beyond comeback. You are so intelligent that the sun steals its sunshine from you.

You posted a long chart that is supposed to impress that AK is a different tank from T-55, but something only you could understand.

So who built the tank if not China. You want to say that a country which cannot even make a 2-wheel scooter can build tanks?

I asked 2 simple questions... just two... it would be really dumb of you (not that i doubt that) to keep whinning n embarassing yourself... even after you cant answer them... my advise... keep shut.


p.s : india is yet to induct 1600 t-90s (which itself is an upgraded t-72) ... and yeah seems AK beats t-90s (export model that you use) even on specs.

@Indian Patriot still waiting for your answer boy.
 
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I asked 2 simple questions... just two... it would be really dumb of you (not that i doubt that) to keep whinning n embarassing yourself... even after you cant answer them... my advise... keep shut.


p.s : india is yet to induct 1600 t-90s (which itself is an upgraded t-72) ... and yeah seems AK beats t-90s (export model that you use) even on specs.

Your two "simple questions" were answered long back. Too bad you failed in your English class. But what can anybody expect from you who believes China did not build the AK tank. Your advise holds no value, talk to others when you yourself understand what you are blabbering.

Next time IA inducts a T-90 tank I will ask them to send you a receipt so that you can keep count.

Why only T-90. The Pakistani space-age AK tank is the best in the world. It is said Germany and Israel are considering buying the AK tank to replace the Leo 2 and Merkava tanks. The next war America fights will be using AK tanks.

Now if you had enough spamming and trolling here can you shut up or do you have some more garbage to share?
 
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Your two "simple questions" were answered long back.


where sire? not in the last two pages?
Too bad you failed in your English class. But what can anybody expect from you who believes China did not build the AK tank. Your advise holds no value, talk to others when you yourself understand what you are blabbering.

Ok so i "failed" my english class... and China built AK (Although AK was built on the basis of a Chinese tank by HIT .. with help from Ukraine etc) ... but can you proven your pathetic claims?




Next time IA inducts a T-90 tank I will ask them to send you a receipt so that you can keep count.

Not necessary internet has that one covered...


Why only T-90. The Pakistani space-age AK tank is the best in the world. It is said Germany and Israel are considering buying the AK tank to replace the Leo 2 and Merkava tanks. The next war America fights will be using AK tanks.

Now if you had enough spamming and trolling here can you shut up or do you have some more garbage to share?

Can you stop vomiting BS? And answer my questions? :lol:
 
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you are unware of the facts and you should educate your self. the Arjun Mk-1 alone out gunned and outperformed the T-90S in IA's own competitive trials.

Broadsword: Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90

The Arjun mk-2 only lacks a ATS like the Trophy but for the rest, its a beast which has good speed on road (75km) and (40km off road), its all up weight is 68 Ton including the mine plough. It will soon receive an even more powerful engine that will improve its performance and ATS like Trophy. The T-90 can only hope to match its reliability. the Arjun's trials included over 70,000km of distances covered, its one of the most well tested tank in the world, if not the most.

Support structure can be created, this shouldn't be the reason to shun a great home made product. Just because LCA requires a whole set new infrastructure and support systems doesn't mean we shouldn't buy it.

Also IA is not fielding 1500 T-90s, so far less than a 1000 are delivered to IA.

Yes, the Indian army generals are all fools. They don't know anything about tanks that is why they made such stupid choices.

The Arjun outgunned and outperformed where, under what circumstances and after how many chances? In war the enemy won;t be sitting and waiting for Arjun to peak up.

ATS is the least of the worries. How is the army supposed to deploy the Arjun to the battlefield, using bullock carts? Supported structure can be created but where. The whole countries support structure will have to be changed for the sake of one tank. Or perhaps you mean to say that IA has to station the tanks in a fixed location so that in times of war the enemy fires a dozen cruise missiles and all IA tanks go bust before they can even start up. And if the tanks are stored all over the country how are they going to be deployed if they cannot move over rails and bridges?

How is a tank the most well tested tank in the world when it has not seen combat?

The IA does not import tanks but assembles them here. The plan is to field 1500-2000 tanks by 2020. The IA intends to replace the T-72 with the T-90s.

2,000 T-90 with say 1,000 T-72 as reserve. Not bad at all if only things go as planned. 3,000 tanks is a huge number.

where sire? not in the last two pages?

Ok so i "failed" my english class... and China built AK (Although AK was built on the basis of a Chinese tank by HIT .. with help from Ukraine etc) ... but can you proven your pathetic claims?

Not necessary internet has that one covered...

Can you stop vomiting BS? And answer my questions? :lol:

Yes kid, in the last two posts.

First decide how you will troll. Will you troll by saying that China did not build the AK (followed by a lot of smileys) or you will troll by saying that China build the AK but it is not the same as saying China build the AK (again followed by a lot of smileys).

If internet has that covered go and post your questions there.

Your questions are already answered without the use of smileys.

P.S. - Feel free to keep trolling.
 
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Really ? I'm impressed with your knowledge ... Please enlighten us uneducated being about the T-55 systems or subsystems used by AK.. Even 1 would be great.


Waiting for your rich and knowledgable post "sir".
The joker is confusing AL-ZARRAR with AL-KHALID
 
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Yes kid, in the last two posts.

First decide how you will troll. Will you troll by saying that China did not build the AK (followed by a lot of smileys) or you will troll by saying that China build the AK but it is not the same as saying China build the AK (again followed by a lot of smileys).

As if said we built it on the basis of a chinese tank and took help from countries like Ukraine,Serbia etc... i can post sources,pics etc?

If internet has that covered go and post your questions there.

Your questions are already answered without the use of smileys.

P.S. - Feel free to keep trolling.

Please shut up... cut the nonsensual rants and answer my damn questions "kid" ...

Name 1 chinese system or sub system used in AK.

Name 1 system or sub system AK uses from T-55?
 
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Damn.. you are dumber than i thought.. :lol:

You make retarded claims which you cant prove n after hours of BSing post wikipedia? great.. :lol:

Yes. You are the only bright one. I already agreed the AK is a space-age tank and is better than Leo 2, Merkava, Abrams tanks. So I don't know what you are so upset about.

In fact the Wiki article is also written by me so you can chose not to believe it either.
 
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Yes. You are the only bright one. I already agreed the AK is a space-age tank and is better than Leo 2, Merkava, Abrams tanks. So I don't know what you are so upset about.

I did? and yet its you whining about it? :lol:



In fact the Wiki article is also written by me so you can chose not to believe it either.

Oh the irony. :rofl:



But okay lets forget all of this for a second :haha:... why dont you answer my 2 simple questions? :lol:
 
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Its not your fault. Many Indians are too blinded by nationalist pride to see the obvious.

The last proper standard rifle IA had after the SMLE was the 7.62x51mm FN-FAL. It was a good and accurate rifle and was much favored by NATO in the early 70s. But then the world had moved on to the 5.56x45 mm round which was lighter hence more stable, more rounds could be fired and was able to be fired at full auto, something impossible for the .30 caliber.

Further to this DRDO was sent a proposal for a new rifle in the 80s and the DRDO set to work at their own leisurely pace. Meanwhile in Sri Lanka the army learnt a bitter lesson that the FN-FAL had passed its usefulness and the IA needs a new lighter weapon. The FN-FAL was proving disastrous in guerrilla and counter-insurgency operations in Jaffna but the DRDO rifle was yet to be introduced. The IA purchased many Romanian kalashnikovs as an ad-hoc measure.

Around 94-95 the INSAS finally made its debut but to the dismay of the IA it was not what they had expected. The rifle was shorter in length but weighed almost the same as the FN-FAL, had 20 rounds ammo just like the FN-FAL and provided no advantage of using the 5.56 mm round which was the main reason why the army wanted to field 5.56 mm rifles. The IA was handed a 5.56 version of the 7.62mm FN-FAL rifle. It could not fire full auto like other 5.56 mm rifles, it did not carry a standard 30 round mag like 5.56 mm rifles worldwide and it weighed as much as a 7.62x51mm rifle minus the punching power.

If you visit the archives and read then you will find the IA criticised the INSAS during Kargil conflict.

Arjun is the most advanced MBT today? From what analysis have you come to this conclusion, please elaborate on this. How does the Arjun fare against the mighty Leo 2, Abram, Challenger 2, LeClerc and Merkava tanks which are universally considered the best in the world of MBT?

What, I repeat, WHAT advantage does the Arjun provide over the T-90 that IA should pay more for a tank that is too heavy and difficult to mobilise? How is the army supposed to deploy a 58 ton tank when infrastructure of rail, bridges etc. have trouble supporting anything over 50 tons? What is the power-to-weight ratio of the Arjun? How many T-90s can be purchased for the price of one Arjun?

The T-90 is already delivering whatever the needs of IA are. And India is fielding 1500 T-90s as of now. So instead of replacing all 1500 T-90s with 1500 Arjuns it would make more sense to add another 1500 T-90s to the mix. Why waste so much time and money on a tank that is the same as the one currently fielded by the IA?
Your points have too much error in too many areas.

You are welcome kid.

If only you could read and understand English language you would have understood what I have written. It is too much for me to explain to you the nuances of the English language but let me repeat what I said. AK is the REPACKAGED version of the T-55. Which means kid it is the T-55 tank with simple upgrades.

Now you won't be knowing that the so-called al khalid tank is a 100% chinese design, would you? Which means the tank was designed and built in china with zero pakistani inputs minus the name. The Chinese in turn designed the AK tank from the Type-96 tank which again in turn was designed from the Type-85III tank which is the Chinese tag for T-54/55 tank.

So you replace the 100mm gun with a 125mm gun, put on some extra armor and a new engine while the design and parameters remain the same. Maybe that is why China is not so keen on inducting the AK which according to you is a brand-new cutting-edge specimen of space-age technology. The proud owners of AK are Pakistan, Bangladesh and Burma. All super-powers who cannot afford more modern and sophisticated tanks of 21st century.

So. in the sense Leopard and Markheva, both are obsolete. Both are some 40 yrs old.
 
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india is yet to induct 1600 t-90s (which itself is an upgraded t-72) ... and yeah seems AK beats t-90s (export model that you use) even on specs.
As Per your Logic All Chinese Tanks Are cheap ripoff of Russian tanks At some stage Matter fact is they are Upgraded Too.:coffee:
 
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Your two "simple questions" were answered long back. Too bad you failed in your English class. But what can anybody expect from you who believes China did not build the AK tank. Your advise holds no value, talk to others when you yourself understand what you are blabbering.

Next time IA inducts a T-90 tank I will ask them to send you a receipt so that you can keep count.

Why only T-90. The Pakistani space-age AK tank is the best in the world. It is said Germany and Israel are considering buying the AK tank to replace the Leo 2 and Merkava tanks. The next war America fights will be using AK tanks.

Now if you had enough spamming and trolling here can you shut up or do you have some more garbage to share?

His questions are valid. Please, dont take cover of english. Thats most disgusting thing, its simple rephrase of "DONT KNOW".
 
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