Are you Hindu first or Indian first?

[ranjeet]

There is no contradiction. Who told you Ghar Wapsi is forced? It is entirely voluntary exercise much along the lines of evangelical conversions. It is only called Ghar Wapsi because here they are coming back to their ancestral faith voluntarily.

Its hard for for him to understand how can one leave his religion unless he/she is forced to do so.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

There is no contradiction. Who told you Ghar Wapsi is forced? It is entirely voluntary exercise much along the lines of evangelical conversions. It is only called Ghar Wapsi because here they are coming back to their ancestral faith voluntarily.

You said Hindusim is secular which allow freedom to worship your God and if that is the case then why such ghar wapisi scheme even exist in India then conversion scheme dont make any sense if all religion equal

 

[Samudra Manthan]

They cannot leave India for Pakistan. They have no option even if they face discrimination or abuse or racism..even if they are being asked by force to respect cow or say Ram bhgwan sab ek hain..India just accept some Hindus from pakistan for political scoring and using them as propaganda tool to put Pakistan in bad light otherwise Muslims in Pakistan also faced same problems

Most probably most Indian Muslims would convert to Hinduism in the next 50 years or so.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Most probably most Indian Muslims would convert to Hinduism in the next 50 years or so.

But you said Hinduism is secular which give freedom to follow your God but then you go converting others into Hinduism lol

Hinduism may be the religion of ancestors of Indian Muslims but it certainly is not their religion if they were born as Muslims . Go back in history and convert those ancestors of Indian Muslims into Hinduism lol

 

[SwAggeR]

They cannot leave India for Pakistan. They have no option even if they face discrimination or abuse or racism..even if they are being asked by force to respect cow or say Ram bhgwan sab ek hain..India just accept some Hindus from pakistan for political scoring and using them as propaganda tool to put Pakistan in bad light otherwise Muslims in Pakistan also faced same problems

Why can't they leave India just like Sikhs and Hindus are leaving Land of Pure ?? It's damn easy. Get passport, get visa and their you go.

Who stops you from scoring ??

 

[Samudra Manthan]

You said Hindusim is secular which allow freedom to worship your God and if that is the case then why such ghar wapisi scheme even exist in India then conversion scheme dont make any sense if all religion equal

Hinduism is secular which does allow freedom of worship, but that does not mean it enforces you to stick with only one form of god worship. It allows you to choose, propagate, and convert if you would want to both out of the faith and to the faith. That is what secularism is all about. Ghar wapsi scheme exists because there is no restriction on moving from one religion to another in India. Did not say all religions are equal and neither does Hinduism consider all religions equal. We understand some are down right stupid, but they are given the right to be stupid as long as they stay within the limits of the law of the land.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Why can't they leave India just like Sikhs and Hindus are leaving Land of Pure ?? It's damn easy. Get passport, get visa and their you go.

Who stops you from scoring ??

If it was that simple then people from boht sides would not even struggle to get visa just for few days to meet their relatives across the border

Hinduism is secular which does allow freedom of worship, but that does not mean it enforces you to stick with only one form of god worship. It allows you to choose, propagate, and convert if you would want to both out of the faith and to the faith. That is what secularism is all about. Ghar wapsi scheme exists because there is no restriction on moving from one religion to another in India. Did not say all religions are equal and neither does Hinduism consider all religions equal. We understand some are down right stupid, but they are given the right to be stupid as long as they stay within the limits of the law of the land.

Your definition of Hindu is as confuse and twisted as your definition of Secualrism.

 

[Armstrong]

I will never undetstand whats with these are you X first or Y first threads ? Ever heard of simultaneity ? Which is to say can't you be both of them at once ?

 

[Samudra Manthan]

But you said Hinduism is secular which give freedom to follow your God but then you go converting others into Hinduism lol

Hinduism may be the religion of ancestors of Indian Muslims but it certainly is not their religion if they were born as Muslims . Go back in history and convert those ancestors of Indian Muslims into Hinduism lol

Yes, Hinduism is secular and it does not force anyone to follow anything. The operative word here is FORCE. People have freedom to follow their own religion as well as convert if they want to. Those who are willing to convert can get converted. That is all Hindus are doing. Taking in the willing.

To follow your suggestion we need to wait until a time machine has been invented. Until then we will work on the present day Muslims.

 

[Force-India]

they are being asked by force to respect cow or say Ram bhgwan sab ek hain

So much for a Muslim to do

 

[SwAggeR]

But you said Hinduism is secular which give freedom to follow your God but then you go converting others into Hinduism lol

Hinduism may be the religion of ancestors of Indian Muslims but it certainly is not their religion if they were born as Muslims . Go back in history and convert those ancestors of Indian Muslims into Hinduism lol

Islam is actually religion with the 'difference.' Why don't you acknowledge that. Intolerance in muslim religion makes it dangerous for others to survive.It simply can't co-exist.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Your definition of Hindu is as confuse and twisted as your definition of Secualrism.

Not at all. Secularism is separation of state and religion. Hinduism is built for celebrating diversity. It is not a rigid system like Islam where you get killed for leaving the religion. Hindus do not get killed for leaving Hinduism and neither does Hinduism disallow non-Hindus from accepting Hinduism. Being secular does not mean the option to choose one's religion of choice ceases to exist.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Islam is actually religion with the 'difference.' Why don't you acknowledge that. Intolerance in muslim religion makes it dangerous for others to survive.It simply can't co-exist.

I am devout follower of Islam and i am not intolerant . My peaceful existance with non muslims or even atheist or agnostics is proof of it so you fail in here

 

[Star Wars]

I will never undetstand whats with these are you X first or Y first threads ? Ever heard of simultaneity ? Which is to say can't you be both of them at once ?

That leaves me with a funny question Are Sith Lords loyal to the Sith or to the Empire ?

 

[Force-India]

Islam is actually religion with the 'difference.' Why don't you acknowledge that. Intolerance in muslim religion makes it dangerous for others to survive.It simply can't co-exist.

Problem with Muslims is that they feel they follow the 'real' religion.