Any enemy of China is an enemy of Pakistan: Pakistan Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif

[atatwolf]

HI,

You are not even from Turkey are you?

Secondly, No one needs your advice on how we deal our replationship with others.

Vassal state plz.. get a proper recognition for yourself rather than begging turley to get you one ( identity)

Pakistan would benefit from diversification in relationships rather than completely relying on China. Also making statements like "every enemy of China is our enemy" is dangerous. As I said earlier. Nobody will attack China but it is more likely China will attack others. When this happens you will see what I mean.

No wonder you have accumulated -24 points.

I got -24 because PDF only gives "think-thank" status to racist Chinese and Russians. The number of thanks I got is a better indication.

I suppose what my friend @atatwolf was trying to illustrate to you, @mike2000 is back , is the multidimensionality of national relationships. You see there are many kinds of relationships, when we are referring to the diplomatic level, there are:

1. Trade Relationships
2. Cultural Relationships
3. Military & Strategic Relationships
4. Ideological Relationships

In regards to Turkey and China, they may not be ideologically succinct compared to the say Turkish-Azerbaijan, Turkish-Turkish Cyprus, or the same way as say Japan-Turkey , or Japan-United States, but they have a relationship, nevertheless. China and Turkey have a trade relationship, one that has seen bilateral trade rise to the $30 Billion mark. This is substantial yet at the same time not surprising because Turkey is a relatively well developed nation state of 80 million citizens and a GDP of over $822 Billion (that's quite large, actually). This trade relationship enables goods and commodities , affordable as they are, to come into Turkey, at the same time Turkish goods and commodities to enter into the Chinese market of 1.4 billion.

So, tho Turkey and China may not share similar ideological points , and they may have some areas of concerns (the Uighur issue), but that does not diminish their vibrant economic trade. Nor should it. In fact the fact that Turkey and China maintain a healthy trade relationship despite ideological differences speaks of the maturity of the respective governments , and this is a credit to them both.

Naturally that is the the way. For example, China and Japan may not be ideologically succinct and may have diplomatic obstacles, however, that does not diminish the Sino-Japanese bilateral trade which is now reaching $500 Billion per year; the largest trade relationship in Asia.




We may not see things "eye" to "eye" but we can definitely trade and make money. lol.

That's the way it should be, Mike. Right?



Cheerio and Carry On,

Turkey makes distinction between politics and economics. Pakistan should follow the same policy of balancing relationships in the region. China's aggressive policies in the region and against the smaller neighbors won't benefit Pakistan. It should stay out of it. China is a stagnating economy while its population in large lives in abject poverty. Its economy won't grow for the coming decades. The time will prove that Pakistan would have benefitted from being more neutral in the region instead of its current position. At the end nobody wants to be on the loosing team.

 

[salarsikander]

Pakistan would benefit from diversification in relationships rather than completely relying on China. Also making statements like "every enemy of China is our enemy is dangerous". As I said earlier. Nobody will attack China but it is more likely China will attack others. When this happens you will see what I mean.


I got -24 because PDF only gives "think-thank" status to racist Chinese and Russians. The number of thanks I got is a better indication.

Hi,

As I said plz keep your advice to yourself !

When you had relationships with Israel, no one from here whined, did they?

And do tell plz what states or countries have openly stated that China is there enemy?

Hell, not even Japan has declared that.

try to figure out the context it was spoken in, rather than falling to deluded assumptions.

And do read a history of both Pakistan and China';s relationships, before coming to such illogical conclusions as China attacking Pakistan !

This statement was meant to show solidarity with our neighbouring country CHina, who have never failed to assist us in every calamity we faced be it natural or man-made.

A little appreciate is always welcomed, that's how you further reinforce the relationships

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hi,

As I said plz keep your advice to yourself !

When you had relationships with Israel, no one from here whined, did they?

And do tell plz what states or countries have openly stated that China is there enemy?

Hell, not even Japan has declared that.

try to figure out the context it was spoken in, rather than falling to deluded assumptions.

And do read a history of both Pakistan and China';s relationships, before coming to such illogical conclusions as China attacking Pakistan !

This statement was meant to show solidarity with our neighbouring country CHina, who have never failed to assist us in every calamity we faced be it natural or man-made.

A little appreciate is always welcomed, that's how you further reinforce the relationships

His personal vendetta doesn't count, since even Erdogan has visited China just week before to mend the relationship.

Since Turkey also needs China a lot.

 

[Sky lord]

Yes, but China with 1,300 million people is half of the world

Arithmetic is not your strong point I see

 

[Serpentine]

The military hegemony will be proved to be not sustainable for the long term.

China is seeking on something else like the one belt one road economic policy.

Well I hope that's the Chinese goal, and not establishing military presence all over the world, like U.S.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

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This is the goal of CPEC. This is the reason why we funded and built Gwadar in the first place. Once CPEC is complete, China gets a shortcut into the Arabian Sea and becomes de facto gatekeeper for most of the world's oil supplies.

Fast forward to 2030. China is by far the largest economy on Earth. The PLA is massive and is sitting right next to the Strait of Hormuz...

As Chinese member @Beidou2020 loves to bark - First do then come talk

Well I hope that's the Chinese goal, and not establishing military presence all over the world, like U.S.

If they could, they would.

 

[salarsikander]

His personal vendetta doesn't count, since even Erdogan has visited China just week before to mend the relationship.

Since Turkey also needs China a lot.

Hi,

do share the trade volume between China and turkey as opposed to Japan and Turkey.

Also take a note of this link:

Turkish-Chinese trade to grow free from exchange rate pressure - Daily Sabah

Personal?? is that guy even from Turkey ?

urkey makes distinction between politics and economics. Pakistan should follow the same policy of balancing relationships in the region. China's aggressive policies in the region and against the smaller neighbors won't benefit Pakistan. It should stay out of it. China is a stagnating economy while its population in large lives in abject poverty. Its economy won't grow for the coming decades. The time will prove that Pakistan would have benefitted from being more neutral in the region instead of its current position. At the end nobody wants to be on the loosing team.

Hi,

Can the same be said about NATO?
Or Turkeys wish to join EU?

Turkey too should diversify it relations, but again who am i kidding with ( You are not even from Turkey)

I am glad Turkey has far more better people with more broader vision and better political understanding

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well I hope that's the Chinese goal, and not establishing military presence all over the world, like U.S.

The military base is outdated, also a waste of money.

When the prompt global strike technology is fully developed, no major power will need to show off its military presence by the numerous military bases.

Of course, everybody is seeking the dominance over the military technology, but China has no desire to show off its hegemony over other nations.

When you are becoming the number one economic power, it will be impossible for you to not become the number one military power, but the difference is to enslave others or to still respect others like a humble superpower.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Hi,

do share the trade volume between China and turkey as opposed to Japan and Turkey.

Also take a note of this link:

Turkish-Chinese trade to grow free from exchange rate pressure - Daily Sabah

Personal?? is that guy even from Turkey ?

Have you seen the trade volume between Japan and China? Or US and China? Or even Taiwan and China?
Yet their defence white papers call each other the major threats.

 

[salarsikander]

The military base is outdated, also a waste of money.

When the prompt global strike technology is fully developed, no major power will need to show off its military presence by the numerous military bases.

Of course, everybody is seeking the dominance over the military technology, but China has no desire to show off its hegemony over other nations.

When you are becoming the number one economic power, it will be impossible for you to not become the number one military power, but the difference is to enslave others or to still respect others like a humble superpower.

Hi,
From modern history, say starting from 20 century.

How many countries has China nuked or illegally inavded, plz do share the details

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As Chinese member @Beidou2020 loves to bark - First do then come talk

Beidou is a German-American who has married a Chinese girl, but the guy really loves China for sure.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Beidou is a German-American who has married a Chinese girl, but the guy really loves China for sure.

His flags, more importantly his posts say otherwise.

 

[salarsikander]

Have you seen the trade volume between Japan and China? Or US and China? Or even Taiwan and China?
Yet their defence white papers call each other the major threats.

HI,
But i haven't seen anything like Turkey and China looking for defence deals, such as SAM one.

Where Turley wasnt afraid to show middle finger to NATO

His flags, more importantly his posts say otherwise.

HI,

And what about yourself ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hi,
From modern history, say starting from 20 century.

How many countries has China nuked or illegally inavded, plz do share the details

None, but many Vietnamese members love to blame China for the 1979 and 1988 border skirmish.

Many Indian members are also still sour about the 1962 border conflict.

 

[salarsikander]

None, but many Vietnamese members love to blame China for the 1979 and 1988 border skirmish.

Many Indian members are also still sour about the 1962 border conflict.

Hi,

AHh I see, are you sure, it wasnt China who attacked Iraq Twice or Afghanistan and destroyed whole lot of nation and societies in the pretext of non-existential WMD, with around 2mn people.

because that's how it seems the hype around Dragon's natural rise is seen as