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An open letter to the West from a Muslim!

LOL. So if they are that much all knowing, how come they are unable to prevent terrorist attacks happening inside Israel on nearly daily basis? Jews are humans too! :D

Actually to many mullahs here life of non Muslims worth nothing n revenge of Muslim killed in iraq to afganisthan in the form of bombing/Self exploding mission of taking lives of innocents is well justified n befitting response ... And Irony is many non Muslim share same amount of sympathy as muslims when Israeli or western forces kill innocent child women ....
But I see here distinction is that one when a Muslim kills a non Muslim(Jews n Christian), no priest from their respective religion runs a sleepers cells to quell the voice who perpetrated the violence against their communities however its not the case with Muslims....
 
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The problems is Majority of Muslim countries is that they cannot properly rule themselves. This gives the opportunity for extremists to run their own affairs in their own way leading to terrorism in other parts of the world. Why do people forget that Afghanistan was a reaction to 9/11 and Taliban's obduracy to h peacefand over Osama to US.



These brainwashed will never get. They feel they are the victims, but they don't realize that they are problem.
majority, stop this nonsense libya was a peace full nation before democracy arrived syria was a peacefull nation before demcracy and freedom fighters arrived aka terrorists
iraq with sadam was peacefull
sadam was evil but a necessary evil he was keeping iraq together
and dont tell me arabs started it it all started with iraq war which US AND UK forced on everyone else even saudies protested against the invasion of iraq
gulf states are peaceful apart from yemen
indonesia turkey malyasia bangladesh moroco tunisia egypt algiers all are muslim majority country they are peaceful
 
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Hey, why stop there? Why not just take the argument to its logical conclusion that 9/11 was actually a Jewish conspiracy and Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was not really a Pakistani but rather a Jew?
It's ok. We all know it's never your fault.


"Terrorist. Born March 1, 1964 or April 14, 1965 in the Baluchistan region of Pakistan. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was raised in Kuwait and joined the Muslim Brotherhood at age 16. He pursued his education in the United States, earning a degree in mechanical engineering from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in 1986.

After graduation, Mohammed and his brothers went to Afghanistan to resist the Soviet invasion in the late 1980s."


Seems like one of your holy warriors turned terrorist.
 
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Funny thing is, even if the British politicians did everything that the muslims leader asked, it wouldn't matter. This is just your typical, run of the mill muslim excuse. It's an attempt to create a false equivalency between a nation going to war and individual killing other because he was offended by a cartoon. Notice that it's pretty much never Iraqis or Afghans or Syrians launching attacks in Europe even though these were the countries Britain was involved in.
The problem is, muslims have a false sense of entitlement. They believe even people who have nothing to do with their religion have to follow their rules even in their own countries. No matter what concession you make, muslims will always find a reason to complain.
Conflicts involving Christians have killed millions like WWI and WWII. Western countries have killed millions hiding behind fighting communism or spreading democracy. We have all seen the totally failed and screwed up results of the Iraq War with lies of "Finding Weapons of Mass Destruction" in the name of Western Democracy called "Operation Enduring Freedom". Hundreds and thousands muslims were killed in Iraq in the name of democracy. Christians do not need to impose their democratic agenda on every country. Christians have killed 6 million Jews just in WWII and the millions of Buddhists with the atom bombs on Hiroshima&Nagasaki. So you need to stop faking sophistication and humanity because the trail of war crimes is wide open. On the other hand genuine terrorists need to pursued that pose a threat to the US and Pakistan.
 
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This guy didn't even read the letter. If he had, he would not have gone on another victim complex rant against the "evil" British. The letter addressed home grown extremism, so is this guy trying to justify the 7/7 bombings etc?

The letter was about more co operation between Muslims the British government so all those who preach violence can be curtailed in the interests of all citizens. It even contained details about who to contact if racists were attacking Muslims. This is why the muslim community is in a mess, anyone remote mentions the problems of extremism we get all defensive.

I didn't agree with the Iraq war either, but does that give me the right bomb trains? Behead soldiers in a country where you are enjoying all its benefits.

I think this letter is written someone who's carrying a massive victim complex and who has evidently not even bothered to read the suggestions in the letter.
 
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When will this numbnuts understand nationalism? If Britain does something abroad, it ultimately is to enhance British interests or at least whoever support such actions do so with an objective of promoting British interests. In other words, they are also promoting interests of British muslims. Why do these intellectual people cry about British actions in muslim countries and show it as an excuse for radicalism among British muslims? I am guessing that is because, under the hood, they support the idea of standing together as Ummah or at least condone it. This strain of apologism is much more dangerous because it is deceptive and diverts the focus from the real issue, which is intolerance among muslims towards others.

European countries have fought much bitter wars with backstabbings in their history than they had ever perpetrated on any muslim country. So please suck it up when you are living in Britain and complain about something real confronting British muslims than some foreign and military policies that were in principle to promote British interests, including yours.
 
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The writer is a scholar of constitutional democracy and has written widely on human rights and international law in academic journals and newspaper outlets including The Guardian and Foreign Policy

This week, the British Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government wrote aletter to Muslim leaders in Britain urging them to do more to combat radicalisation. This article is a response to the letter.

Dear Rt Hon Pickles and Lord Ahmad,

Peace be upon you too, or, Waalaykum Asalam.

Thank you for your letter to Muslims living in Britain.

In this difficult climate, where violence and extremism has been testing bonds of inter-communal harmony and tolerance, your letter reaching out to us means a lot. In particular, we appreciate that you acknowledge that “acts of extremism are not representative of Islam”. We also wholeheartedly agree that “there is more work to do” and that “integration and radicalisation cannot be solved from Whitehall alone. Strong community-based leadership at a local level is needed”.

We share your concerns: we are also alarmed and concerned about the rise of fundamentalism and extremism within the Muslim community. The Paris incident shocked Muslims as much as it shocked non-Muslims. As a religious community, we fully recognise that if individuals within our community are inciting hatred or depriving others of rights — whether that be the right to life, to freedom of expression, to speech or any other right — we as leaders and indeed the community must help discourage such actions, in particular by persuading youth vulnerable to commit such acts to refrain from them and express their disagreements in peaceful ways.

Yet, we cannot do this without your help. Indeed, until you share our burden and take concrete steps to defeat the root causes of radicalisation, I am afraid we will just be pointing fingers at each other and will achieve little. That is, the challenges of radicalisation cannot be solved in mosques alone; the British government has a much larger role to play than you seem to acknowledge.

Let me explain.

As experienced British politicians, you must know that in order to persuade anyone to do anything differently, one must have credibility. That is, we must not come across as Janus-faced or hypocritical when we talk about “values” and “rights”.

And therein lies the problem.

British politicians and government continually deploy the rhetoric of ‘British values’, ‘human rights’ and ‘freedoms’ internationally to do precisely what the extremists do; that is, ‘destroy’ the freedoms of those who look or talk and believe differently to us. Britain has violated international norms and human rights on multiple occasions. Indeed, we have seen terrible things committed in the name of ‘British’ or ‘Western’ values. Such actions are an affront to the greatness of Britain.

How then can we persuade others that we are serious when it comes to, as you say, “free speech, the rule of law and democracy”?

Here is what we think you can do to change things. You, as persons in power in Britain, are in a unique position in British society. You have a precious and historic opportunity, and an important responsibility. We believe that together we have an opportunity to demonstrate the true nature of British values and demonstrate that we actually believe our own rhetoric about rights and that we will not apply them selectively and with discrimination.

Accordingly, we have a few simple suggestions.

First, you must assure us that you will not drag Britain or its values down by continuing to invade weaker countries in the name of ‘self-defence’ causing immense destruction. Around 350,000 people have been killed by the wars started by Britain and its ally, the United States, since 2001 alone. At the very least, 174,000 of these were civilians who never attacked nor harmed Britain. You may craft interesting theoretical arguments to justify why British violence was somehow different or justifiable; you may say that the attacks of 9/11, which killed around 2,753 innocent people motivated these “necessary” invasions but that is precisely the kind of causal logic that terrorist groups deploy to justify attacks against British or Western interests; the difference lies in their choice of words — they use the rhetoric of ‘Islam’ and you invoke the rhetoric of ‘Western values’. The bottom line does not lie: 174,000 innocent people have been killed. Simply because we do not see 350,000 dead or hear their stories on television does not erase the enormous magnitude of destruction that Britain has participated in.

Next, you must promise us that Britain will not aid or abet or participate in illegal and aggressive wars: yes, by this, we mean Iraq; it was not so long ago that a government of Britain acted in concert with George W Bush to invade a country that had not attacked any other country, on false pretexts, such as the existence of “weapons of mass destruction” or because, as Tony Blair felt “Saddam was a “monster”. Today, Iraq is a broken country with hundreds of thousands of families devastated. Can you promise that Britain will never again take actions that tear a country apart and rob people of the right to life?

Moving on, you must put systems in place so that Britain does not continue to violate or help others violate humanitarian law. Will you commit that Britain will never again help other countries (by for example, providing intelligence) or act on its own, in bombing and killing women and children as they sleep or attend weddings and funerals several thousand miles away from the British border, through drone attacks or otherwise?

We know European lives matter, but so do the lives of children and women in Pakistan. The United States says it miraculously only targets the guilty, but surely we in Britain do not believe in being judge and executioner on such a large scale?
Further, it is now common knowledge that “in recent years a number of people who have been subjected to torture and other ill-treatment in Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and Morocco and elsewhere have alleged that UK officials knew of their ill-treatment and not only did nothing to prevent it but actively assisted their abusers”. Can you promise that Britain will not be complicit in violating the right not to be tortured or engage in ‘extraordinary rendition’ again?


We must also not be two-faced when we talk about the ‘rule of law’ and ‘free speech’ whilst quietly aiding regimes abroad that believe in the precise opposite of such values: one need not look any further than the Middle East to see how Britain beds itself with regimes that have little regard for “British values”, lest we forget that the “monster” Blair referred to (Saddam) was a friend of Britain, even as he gassed the Kurds. Indeed, “£2.35billion of loans [were] handed out to foreign … countries much of [which] has been spent on British-made arms, which are then used to control citizens of repressive regimes.”

Finally, in the same way that Muslims in Britain have been asked to identify vulnerable persons who are at risk of radicalisation, it is only fair that you do precisely the same by invoking the rule of law and punishing those in positions of power who ended up wrecking countless non-European lives and countries.

We are confident that if we together work by taking steps to truly and visibly signal that freedom and human rights matter, we can be successful and treat the cancer of ideological radicalism and overcome those who wish to spread war and destruction, whether in the name of ‘Islam’ or the ‘West’.

We welcome your thoughts, ideas and initiatives on how to ensure that Britain’s true message of peace triumphs over those who have tortured British values in recent times.

Yours faithfully,

Muslim leaders.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 23rd, 2015.
An open letter to the West from a Muslim – The Express Tribune

When Japan attacked US during WW2, US immediately responded by rounding up some 100,000+ Japanese Americans into internment camps to make sure they do not go on a kamikaze spree inside US to avenge their Imperial Japan's "honour"! This act was later condemned as racially motivated and those suffered were finally compensated by future US governments, but overall it saved US from kamikaze style terrorist attacks emerging from within its soil by Japanese Americans. Now I wonder if they had the guts to do the same after 9/11 terrorist attacks? Rounding up all American Muslims in internment camps until the end of war on terror to make sure where their real loyalties are? :D

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West just needs get lost from Muslim lands and stop using forces
 
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The British Government's counter extremism and violent extremism policy is clueless:

Anyone remember the fiasco with "Wish you were Waziristan"?

Let me refresh your memories:

Foreign Office faces flak over axed counter-terrorism video | UK news | The Guardian

The youtube page for the video now has a "place holder":

I am not saying the Muslims living in these countries don't have a role to play, far from it. But the governments misguided efforts to counter extremism only further fans the flames.
 
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West just needs get lost from Muslim lands and stop using forces

I have a feeling that the West is soon going to start asking you guys to get lost from their lands.

Don't know if that's going to be unilateral or a quid pro quo though, with them stopping to invade or occupy your lands, or continuing unabated, even with increased vigor.

In the end I guess it will boil down to what each side can do, and make the other do.

How is your wrist mending btw?
 
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Funny thing is, even if the British politicians did everything that the muslims leader asked, it wouldn't matter. This is just your typical, run of the mill muslim excuse. It's an attempt to create a false equivalency between a nation going to war and individual killing other because he was offended by a cartoon. Notice that it's pretty much never Iraqis or Afghans or Syrians launching attacks in Europe even though these were the countries Britain was involved in.
The problem is, muslims have a false sense of entitlement. They believe even people who have nothing to do with their religion have to follow their rules even in their own countries. No matter what concession you make, muslims will always find a reason to complain.
That is exactly the problem we face in India.
India never attacked any muslim country,nor in Indian subcontinent history did it ever attack or invade another nation, instead islamic hordes invaded India,later after 1947 Independence, Pakistan attacked India and India had to retaliate to defend itself.
These apologists for islamic terrorsim who blame UK and USA ,which they say invaded other nations which led to fanning of jihadi terror.
India has been facing jihadi terror since the 90's its a known fact.Which nation did India invade or destroy to fuel such islamic jihad against India?NONE!
A typical excuse by islamists.
Don't believe those apologists words,if USA and UK had not shown a strong backlash to jihadi terror,they would have continued with many more 9/11 and other terror attacks.
 
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Stop these stupid open letters form Muslim to xyz. Show your balls and take you place by hook or crook.
 
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What Taliban, Al Qaida and the other pursue till now is not the greatness of Islam, not about to pursue the way of Muhammad SAW, they pursue their own interest in the name of Islam.

How about tag them kafir and get rid of daily bashing by non muslim world instead of feeling bad what these groups are doing better say we don't know them they are not Muslims and lets get over with it...i personally really don't care what has happened in france by some people to others because i am not interested in taking blame on me and my religion and go to every one and beg them to forgive us for what someone else did..NO Ma'am not gonna happen i will not beg let french people cry and mourn to ask for begging that's exactly what they want for Muslims to be bent and apologetic..how about france say sorry for atrocities in Africa in Algeria No? If No by them so No from us.
 
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How about tag them kafir and get rid of daily bashing by non muslim world instead of feeling bad what these groups are doing better say we don't know them they are not Muslims and lets get over with it...i personally really don't care what has happened in france by some people to others because i am not interested in taking blame on me and my religion and go to every one and beg them to forgive us for what someone else did..NO Ma'am not gonna happen i will not beg let french people cry and mourn to ask for begging that's exactly what they want for Muslims to be bent and apologetic..how about france say sorry for atrocities in Africa in Algeria No? If No by them so No from us.
Good point. Muslims are united. Except for a very few liberals. Thou shalt have no apology, no introspection. Anyone who does so is a lackey of the West.

Time will tell what the non Muslims will come up with in response.

West just needs get lost from Muslim lands and stop using forces
The whole world belongs to Allah SWT. There is also another problem - the Lebanon case.
Lebanon was Christian majority till 1960s. Then became Muslim majority. When it happens in say France, what will the remaining non believers in France do? :)

Don't believe those apologists words,if USA and UK had not shown a strong backlash to jihadi terror
The US and the UK made a mess of it. They attacked the wrong countries - over and over again.
 
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