An Indian article that says it all.

[Bobby]

@Horus @Irfan Baloch @Windjammer @Chinese-Dragon and others......Truth in the end always comes out.

the way Osama came out

 

[Tiger Genie]

The real point is being missed and that is to do with what the underlying problem is and what this Chinese move seeks to solve. The region including China, Afghanistan and India cannot experience peace until Pakistan stops playing truant. And Pakistan won't stop playing truant without a controller. With the USA having done its part and other areas calling for its attention and resources and given China is sitting on unusable cash pile, why not have them buy their way into this controller slot? In the process Chinese notch up some regional points and Pakistan some much needed breathing room (from the ONLY news coming out of there being jihadi terror otherwise!).

Afghanistan also stands to gain some revenue streams in the process, while there is real economic interdependency built in the region. That real economic interdependency is the only way ensure long term peace in the region.

This model has kinda sorta worked with the Koreas, so why not here. And hopefully this materializes before China's massive write-downs (Global Daily reported USD6 to 8Trillion but this morning Bloomberg mentioned $28T...). Writing off even half that larger number will mean Chinese currency tanking, much needed projects freezing midway and no funding left for stopping the next revolution!

 

[daring dude]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

 

[T90TankGuy]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

I love your imagination . but you delude your self if you think this investment is going to bring about change in Pakistan ,
IMHO the change has to come from the people of Pakistan when ever they feel they need to improve their country , IT WILL!!!!
No amount of investment will change the problems Pakistan faces today .
As for Pakistan coming closer to Russia , lets wait on that

 

[Bornubus]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

China is investing in your INFRASTRUCTURE and you already buy weapons from them around 50% so what is the point of jealousy its normal.

On the other hand we are almost self sufficient in financing out infrastructure,trade potential of India and china is $200 billion by 2020,we are cooperating in various international forums like BRICS with many sister cities with china.

China offered us military hardware including Gunships plus we conduct military exercises regularly

so i see no point of jealousy as some posters suggesting


Note:Terrorism is in Pakistan is the failure of the state and India has nothing to do with it and regarding Russian you are free to do business with them


India, China aim to boost trade volume to $100 billion by 2015 - thenews.com.pk


Delhi-Beijing, Bangalore-Chengdu, Kolkata-Kunming: India, China to set up sister cities

China to offer India attack helicopters | The China Times

 

[shhh]

So much of butt hurting at astronomical level ...why don't these idiot Indians realize that with CPEC in place, India can get gas from Iran via Pakistan easily and later from Central Asian nations thru this corridor. Its in Indian advantage as well provided they have a cordial relations with Pakistan.

Not only that, CPEC is also beneficial for India! their route can be much shorter than China, they can just transport goods through Lahore! And a route is being constructed over there too.

 

[Shamain]

Yea indians are the super awesome nation . who could beat them. They are so brilliant that during war time their fighter pilots hop out of the tejas cockpit, jump on its roof and do Chaiyyan chayyian with all retarded dance moves. And then with bare hands fire missiles at the targets.

If China's supplies of oil are running through Azad Kashmir then China becomes party to any conflict in that area. It will try to keep it the way it is. India should all but forget about Pakistani side of Kashmir after this. China is likely to intervene if it's trade routes are threatened, may be by stepping up pressure on Indo-China LOC. I see status quo for foreseeable future.

Ya in china's case its both economic and strategic interests entwined with each other.

 

[SrNair]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

First of all prove yourself that you can move without West,IMF,USAID ,WB help .then talk to us about standing against them.

Chinese are pure businessmen .You will know that in near future.You dont need an enemy when you have Sharif,Zardari family.

Actually it is quite amazing.Russians are facing uncertainity in their land.And you are ccounting on them.


There is a basic principle in here dude .
There is no freelunch. That is why we didnt go for a zakat like this in previous decades even if we had dire economic situation.

 

[Mrc]

First of all prove yourself that you can move without West,IMF,USAID ,WB help .then talk to us about standing against them.

Chinese are pure businessmen .You will know that in near future.You dont need an enemy when you have Sharif,Zardari family.

Actually it is quite amazing.Russians are facing uncertainity in their land.And you are ccounting on them.


There is a basic principle in here dude .
There is no freelunch. That is why we didnt go for a zakat like this in previous decades even if we had dire economic situation.

Well what can i say ... i smell burning

 

[GodToons]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

Do not troll, reverse these names like TTP for LeT and some others and story will take another turn on authenticity.
Idea is to analyse Chinese investment in Pak, who is actual beneficiary and will prepare and eat the cake.

if you can't think in that line than stick with fellowship of R.A.N.D.I

 

[SrNair]

Well what can i say ... i smell burning

Dont you have burnol in Pakistan ?Apply that in your burning part ,smell will quench
Come back after the completion of total 45 billion $ investment .

 

[Aamna Ali]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

Wow! I havent seen such enthusiasm for selling out your country to another country ever before anywhere else!...You are so proud that Chinese companies are investing $46 Billion in your country. We Indians feel proud when our companies get such investment opportunities in smaller countries. But the difference is that our companies have to fight and compete for the tenders.

Yes! we Indians are jealous...but not jealous of Pakistan, but of China. They got such huge infrastructure projects without any competition. The chinese will be funding these, building these, operating these and profiting from these. What does Pakistan get? Overpriced electricity and lesser loadshedding. I guess thats a good bargain for you. But this is not going to come for free. This is no aid or soft loan taken by Pakistan to build the projects. The chinese are taking loans from their own banks and will have to repay it with interest and make substantial profit. You are basically selling your country and your sovereignty because China will dictate the terms for whatever investment they make..

You are selling your most modern port to the Chinese. WHY? Of course they will invest when they are handed out such a lucrative offer from such a directionless Government. You could have developed the port to your own advantage and made it a hub using labour from Baluchistan thus developing its economy. Its activities would have directly benefited the Baloch.

This is a classic case of Pakistan turning into a Banana Republic where your only Positive point is your strategic location.This politico-economic oligarchy controls the nation to exploit the country's economy.
I think we can't strictly apply the term to Pakistan however as it does not have a signature export save drugs, of which it is simply a transit point of Afghanistan.
Pakistan sure has declined because of a variety of reasons.
1. Misguided Religious fervor.
If wetake a look at the other countries with similar fervor, like the Gulf or Middle East, we'll find that instead of putting AK-47s into hands of kids, they export oil and allow trade to flourish.
3. Too much dependence on American aid/Chinese aid.
In this respect, Pakistan is like African countries. If you pour aid into a country instead of the need to work to succeed, you will end up creating addicts who rejoice when other countries invest.
4. No abundance of a precious resource like The Gulf nations. Saudi Arabia is every bit fanatic as Pakistan, but they are educated and rich. So they don't need to get their hands dirty.
5. No emphasis on education or enterpreneurship.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Wow! I havent seen such enthusiasm for selling out your country to another country ever before anywhere else!...You are so proud that Chinese companies are investing $46 Billion in your country. We Indians feel proud when our companies get such investment opportunities in smaller countries. But the difference is that our companies have to fight and compete for the tenders.

Yes! we Indians are jealous...but not jealous of Pakistan, but of China. They got such huge infrastructure projects without any competition. The chinese will be funding these, building these, operating these and profiting from these. What does Pakistan get? Overpriced electricity and lesser loadshedding. I guess thats a good bargain for you. But this is not going to come for free. This is no aid or soft loan taken by Pakistan to build the projects. The chinese are taking loans from their own banks and will have to repay it with interest and make substantial profit. You are basically selling your country and your sovereignty because China will dictate the terms for whatever investment they make..

You are selling your most modern port to the Chinese. WHY? Of course they will invest when they are handed out such a lucrative offer from such a directionless Government. You could have developed the port to your own advantage and made it a hub using labour from Baluchistan thus developing its economy. Its activities would have directly benefited the Baloch.

This is a classic case of Pakistan turning into a Banana Republic where your only Positive point is your strategic location.This politico-economic oligarchy controls the nation to exploit the country's economy.
I think we can't strictly apply the term to Pakistan however as it does not have a signature export save drugs, of which it is simply a transit point of Afghanistan.
Pakistan sure has declined because of a variety of reasons.
1. Misguided Religious fervor.
If wetake a look at the other countries with similar fervor, like the Gulf or Middle East, we'll find that instead of putting AK-47s into hands of kids, they export oil and allow trade to flourish.
3. Too much dependence on American aid/Chinese aid.
In this respect, Pakistan is like African countries. If you pour aid into a country instead of the need to work to succeed, you will end up creating addicts who rejoice when other countries invest.
4. No abundance of a precious resource like The Gulf nations. Saudi Arabia is every bit fanatic as Pakistan, but they are educated and rich. So they don't need to get their hands dirty.
5. No emphasis on education or enterpreneurship.

Idiotic comments are expected from you and your butt hurt countrymen. Do you guys really know the f**king meaning of investment or not ? The infrastructure which is key to these deals means thousands of jobs creation inside Pakistan from ordinary labourer to an engineer. High level Project Management will be done by Chinese while the resources will be Pakistanis, 90% of them. Who will pay them and feed their families? these $46 Billion. Once people get employed, ROI will be phenomenal thus making things easy to return back the 'soft' loans.

And since you seemed to be really worried about the transparency lol let me tell you this is the best thing happened. Chinese will be closely monitoring all the funds, chances of corruption, which our Govt excels in it, is minimal.

In short, the economic activity will be so massive that it will directly raise the GDP by 2-3%. Countless local business from small dwellers to big business opportunities will pop up owned by Pakistanis themselves. Like for e.g Pakistani Lucky Cement, country's premium cement provider, stocks today has raised up by wopping 18% since their cement will come into play in these projects. Again who is getting benefited here ? Pakistan !

Anyways,right now Pakistan's doesn't have hard cash while the investing opportunities inside the country are huge and foreign investment of this proportion will also attract others to invest inside Pakistan as well. Once the corridor is ready, Pakistan will also be charging transit money from China which obviously will be balanced out with the return of loans. Gas pipeline from Iran into Pakistan may well prompt Indians to join the party too which will again provide us a good amount of 'free' transit money every year.

 

[punit]

@ito @jbgt90 @manojb @Bornubus @Aamna Ali @OrionHunter @punit @GodToons @SrNair @Echo_419
Well Indians also confused, and dont know how to act..as they tried all their ways to de stabilize Pak..but even worst conditions pak went through.. and the American Money wasn't fund or Aid, but it's reimbursement of Pak and it's Forces services,,, so that mostly Pak money against our services.. and also against the use of Military Bases ..and Several minerals they dug out From various places including Loralai from Pakistan.
But the gradual shift in american policies, towards Iran and Middle East give Pak little room, and also Indian Puppet Karzai's Government Ends bring Afghanistan more closer to Pak than India,, and hence the situation inside Pakistan and Afghanistan Improved. so Afghanistan and USA both watching it clearly, and also Pak provided Indian involvement in TTP, BLA, BRA etc proofs as that's bluntly exposed to the World also,,, while Indian backup from USA and Afghanistan reduced so that will give Pak an ample time to move ahead,, as Pak is also come very closer to Russia also,, so that put Nails in the coffins of Indians...

we are planning mass suicide !

 

[wiseone2]

So much of butt hurting at astronomical level ...why don't these idiot Indians realize that with CPEC in place, India can get gas from Iran via Pakistan easily and later from Central Asian nations thru this corridor. Its in Indian advantage as well provided they have a cordial relations with Pakistan.

We can get gas from Iran through ships. Try getting gas from Iran at a reasonable price.

there is no commerce with Central Asia if Afghanistan is on fire. It will stay until Pakistan ends support for the Taliban