Airspace violation: 2 Indian fighter planes enter Pakistan territory

[Zarvan]

Funny thing is, even indian media reported about PAF intercepting intruding enemy aircrafts and yet they're still "conspiracy theories"

I vaguely recall an indian helo being forced to land and its crew forced to disembark (including a Lt Col) - luckily for them, just to have tea and receive a lesson on GPS readings before being shown what could've otherwise been an undignified 'exit'

As for mishaps - yes they too happen. If it was a wake up call then so be it. We do the same time to time; the Turks and Greeks were often at it over Cyprus for much of the 20th Century

Are you talking about this latest incident and reporting of Indian media on it if yes than share the link

 

[OrionHunter]

Indian Jets violate Pakistani Airspace

What's a pic of a SU-30 doing here? Do you even know the difference between a SU-30 and a MiG-21? It was the latter that 'allegedly violated' Pak air space. Pathetic ignorance in a defence forum!! Jeeeez!

 

[Amaa'n]

IAF was just on a routine mission. every now and than they like to test waters and see our response. just like previous incidents
pAF scrambled the jets in time, the response time was satisfactory enough (as i believe), after which intruders turned around. those who believe we should have shot them down should do us all a favour and join PAF. sit in the cockpit of that f16/jft and try shooting the intruding aircraft then.

Period.

 

[Jango]

@nuclearpak

Response time is 3-7 minutes. Sargodha has the least response time. Maybe they scrambled the planes and upon warning they left the Pakistani airspace, or maybe a warning was sent and during the process of hot scramble the aircraft changed their route?

Its hard to say, all we can do is speculate.

3 NM intrusion for 3 minutes while our aircraft were also airborne (atleast according to the press release) in that time, we detected the aircraft in due time as well. End of story.

In the end, the aircraft were turned back.

People here are underestimating and miscalculating a whole lot of things. 3 minutes pass in a jiffy.

I doubt there is anything to recon 3 NM inside Pakistan in Atari!

 

[DARKY]

Well since you are splashing your brains, your post-10 idealy proves, how you intend to address the subject.... let me spoon feed you, the idea was these things happen from both sides, mostly to test the reaction time, there's nothing worthwhile where your aircraft violated, but didn't stay long enough to prove their worth.

Ever been to the Lahore base... sitting outside the country and claiming as If you are the Air Marshal of PAF.

There has been many intresting encounters which can be known and understood only If you reach the place and interact with people there.

Filled with Propaganda... you won't last long in real world..pdf is recommended to you.

 

[Windjammer]

@Last Hope: can you post a link of the incident?

Indian Fighter Planes Violate Pakistani Airspace

By M. Hussain

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has violated Pakistani airspace and were intercepted by the Pakistan Air Force. The incidence took place on the 13th of December, at midnight. The military establishment in Pakistan is considering this to be a serious violation and PAF air bases are on full alert.

2 Indian Su-30 MkI ingressed in the Lahore sector, Pakistan's second most important city after Karachi. 3 Indian Mirage 2000H ingressed in the Kashmir sector. The Su-30 Mki "FLANKER" were intercepted by 3 F-16s and 3 F-7 combat aircraft from the Pakistan Air Force, while the Mirage 2000Hs were intercepted by 2 F-16s and 2 Mirages The intercepts were made within 4 miles of entering Pakistani territory, and the intruders were escorted out of Pakistani airspace. According to the PAF, the Indian aircraft were fully armed.

The Indians are in violation of agreements to not send combat aircraft within 10 km of their own boundaries. The simultaneous nature of the intrusion, in the middle of the night, being fully armed clearly indicates it was no mistake, and is replicative of Israeli tactics with Syria.

The Indian Air Force may use this opportunity to gather EW and radar signatures as well as measure the intercept response time and location. They may seek out information on new assets added by the Pakistani side, such as the TPS-77 radars. Both the Su-30 Mk I and the Mirage-2000Hs are equiped with EW equipment that could be used for such a purpose.


The Information Minister, Sherry Rehman, claimed that it was a mistake from the Indian side, which directly contradicts the PAF, and one may add, logic. In a joint press conference with the British PM, Zardari echoed this response and said Indian violation was a technical fault of IAF. While PAF denies that it was fault.

Grande Strategy (Edited)

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, AM: TROOPS ON THE MOVE?

A number of people travelling between Lahore and Rawalpindi over the past two days have reported that a heavy redeployment by the army was under way.

“Long convoys of military trucks are heading towards Lahore from Jehlum,” Jawad Khan, a motorist, told Dawn.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Aircraft Descriptions:

Lahore: 2x Indian Air Force Su-30 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 3x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 3x F-7s
Muzaffarabad: 3x Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 2x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 2x F-7s.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Emergency declared at Shorkot, Sarghoda airbases

SARGHODA: Emergency has been declared at Shorkot and Sarghoda airbases on Sunday after India violated Pakistan air spaces twice on Saturday by sending its fire jets.

According to sources, Indian Air Force sent its fighter jets into Pakistan air spaces on Saturday in Lahore and Kashmir areas which were forced to go back by Pakistani fighter jets.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Army Confirms Artillery Movement

LAHORE: The Pakistan Army moved medium and heavy military artillery vehicles from the Lahore Cantonment area to the north of Punjab on Saturday, causing a scare in the minds of the general public about an eminent offensive with India.

However, the Director-General of the Inter-Services Public Relations, Major-General Athar Abbas, described the military movement as being part of routine winter military exercises.

A statement issued by the ISPR said the 10th Corps was returning to the Lahore Cantonment after completing its winter exercises while the 11th Corps was moving to Jhelum to replace it.

Earlier, The News reported that hundreds of medium and heavy artillery vehicles had moved out of the Lahore Cantonment area along the Motorway north of Punjab. It also said that there was movement of artillery from the Tilla Range in Jhelum towards Lahore. (ANI)

Despite the denials by the Indians, sufficient information has been leaked to press and otherwise to confirm that the Indians were seeking mis-adventure but the timely interception by the PAF pre-emptied the Indian designs as also described by wiki.

2008 air alert
After the 2008 Mumbai attacks, PAF was put on high alert. It deployed to all its wartime locations and started combat air patrols. The speed and intensity of the deployment and PAF's readiness took the Indian Army High Command by surprise and later reports suggest was the main factor in the Indian decision of not going for cross border raids inside Pakistan.[42][43] Pakistani press reported issuance of a PAF Standing Order to launch an immediate counterattack in case of an air attack from India, after Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee threatened Pakistani President.

[42][43]

 

[Amaa'n]

it was 2 su-30 flankers back in 2008 december 21. they were intercepted and "ALLOWED" to return home safely

@Last Hope: can you post a link of the incident?

 

[ice_man]

clearly INDIAN MILITARY top BRASS is against any peace with india! & wants to provoke an international incident!

 

[Jango]

Btw, is there are there any aircraft stationed at Multan during peace time? And on ADA?

 

[Zarvan]

clearly INDIAN MILITARY top BRASS is against any peace with india! & wants to provoke an international incident!

Sir what they want or not Pakistanis are least concerned with the question is what was our response and sorry to say it was pathetic

 

[acetophenol]

@Windjammer @balixd: any news agency reporting it? Else its hard to believe.

 

[Zarvan]

LAHORE: Pakistani officials on Tuesday alleged that two Indian fighter jets entered seven kilometres into the country's airspace over Punjab province.

They said the incident occurred over Pakpattan district, 200km from the provincial capital of Lahore.

The officials alleged the jets remained in Pakistani airspace for over one minute.

IAF sources in Delhi, however, rejected the claim saying, "Our pilots did not cross the border".

An official from Pakistan's Civil Aviation Authority said that the Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace over Head Sulemanki area of Pakpattan district.

"The two jets entered some seven kilometres inside Pakistani airspace. After remaining for over one minute in Pakistani airspace, they left," said the official, who did not want to be named.

Pakistan has not yet officially registered a protest with India over the incident, officials said.

The incident occurred at about 10.40am, Geo News channel reported. It said the Pakistan Air Force had scrambled its fighter jets following the intrusion though this could not be independently confirmed.
Pak claims Indian fighter jets enter its airspace - The Times of India

 

[RazPaK]

Indian should have been shot down.


Even in 71' response times were not this slow.




For Indians and know it all wannabe mods, my father is a 71' PAF vet.

And that is his opinion.

 

[DARKY]

Its hard to say, all we can do is speculate.

3 NM intrusion for 3 minutes while our aircraft were also airborne (atleast according to the press release) in that time, we detected the aircraft in due time as well. End of story.

In the end, the aircraft were turned back.

People here are underestimating and miscalculating a whole lot of things. 3 minutes pass in a jiffy.

I doubt there is anything to recon 3 NM inside Pakistan in Atari!

There is buffer zone along the border... some distance is left by both sides and it is decided that no flying object from either side would enter that zone... It like 10km or so at Punjab border can vary due to terrain on other places.

So when ot says 7miles you have to add another 6miles to see the true incursion 13mile in the air you can see another 10-15 miles thanks to modern sensors and cameras on today's jets.

Recce is done for few minutes only what do you think how much time did a Mig25 or SR-71 gave on a certain area of 10-20mile when travelling around mach 2.

Long endurance recce is done by helos which fly very low and remain undetected such helo recce is done by Army here and not Airforce.

 

[Jango]

Indian scums should have been shot down.


Even in 71' response times were not this slow.




For ugly Indians and know it all wannabe mods, my father is a 71' PAF vet.

And that is his opinion.

Take a cold shower boy.

In 71, there was a war going on, now there isn't.