Air Forces Monthly - summary of updates to JF-17

[SQ8]

The financial terrorism is to bury Pakistan under a mountain of debt, maintain its status as a good, reliable revenue stream for IMF and World Bank till eternity, and not take any measures which would lead us to independence.

Plenty of conspiracy theories - no admission of guilt as a failed collective of selfish and generally arrogant and willfully ignorant people. Looking for either external factors to absolve themselves of blame or messiahs. Bani Israel have their successors.

Either case - off topic for us and at the end funds dictate whether the block-III progresses fast or not..

 

[HRK]

Or, the PAF doesn't want to share the IRST capability of JF-17s with the customers even for a podded solution....

And why would PAF want this as it defy logic ...??

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I would hope so too but looking at the article I am not too sure.

On the other hand we have received official information that the JF-17 is what two feet tall?lol

...plot-twist...that was Vafadar-1 the whole time.

 

[Riz]

Most probably due to plumbing/fittings/piping arrangement/installation.... may be the reason to make such a statement=guess work.

However, what if the radar is Air + Liquid cooled?

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@The Eagle you deleted my picture in BLK3 thread due to copyright issue , while here you did not deleted your own ..inja na keeta karo wadyaoo

 

[JamD]

...plot-twist...that was Vafadar-1 the whole time.

I see that we are going to will this program into existence. I'm all for it lol.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

And why would PAF want this as it defy logic ...??

Surprise may be..

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I see that we are going to will this program into existence. I'm all for it lol.

...the Pakistan Navy forum! The place where wishes come true.

 

[CriticalThought]

...plot-twist...that was Vafadar-1 the whole time.

I can see what you did there

 

[Trango Towers]

The financial terrorism is to bury Pakistan under a mountain of debt, maintain its status as a good, reliable revenue stream for IMF and World Bank till eternity, and not take any measures which would lead us to independence.

But Pakistanis go to imf...fix our own house.

Collect taxes.
Root out corruption...even army genrals have weddings of their children that run into hundreds of thousands of dollars. Where does rge money come from. Politicians- Well they are 100% thieves and the average man...

 

[Riz]

But Pakistanis go to imf...fix our own house.

Collect taxes.
Root out corruption...even army genrals have weddings of their children that run into hundreds of thousands of dollars. Where does rge money come from. Politicians- Well they are 100% thieves and the average man...

Poor thought , we have habits of competing others with our own, even a Primery fail labour use to compare his earnings with doctors, Engeeniors , Generals , businessmen’s , look how they are earning money how the man with his luxury car is corrupt etc . Khud padhana nhi dosro ki munji thokty rehna ha hum logon na , We remembered the day when PTI brought wholesalers under taxation, social media went bonkers over this govt decision, they cursed PTI during daily strikes of wholesalers and government have to revoked That decision. Hamara kuch nhi banny wala bhai hum na sirf aor sirf tang karna ha jo achi life je rahy hain

 

[aliyusuf]

These are the three portions of the AFM JF-17 Block-III article, which require some imaginative interpretation to avoid conflict in meaning w.r.t. each other

From the first snippet if we interpret the range of the radar to be 65% in excess of the 81NM stated for the prototype, then we can reconcile the second snippet ... regardless of PL-15 is the production version or the export version. But snippet three becomes superfluous and a bit contradictory because of mentioning and comparing the PL-15 range with the 81NM range.

But, if we interpret that the current radar range is 81NM i.e. 150km then
the second snippet can only be rationalized then if we are getting the 148.3 km range PL-15E export version of the missile. But then snippet three becomes conflicting in meaning as it says the range of the radar is more than 81NM/150km.

Conclusion: The article was badly compiled and proper proofreading for conflicts in meaning and context was not done. A very unprofessional article.

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle you deleted my picture in BLK3 thread due to copyright issue , while here you did not deleted your own ..inja na keeta karo wadyaoo

This an official picture V/s DCS World fake picture and you mean?

 

[Rafi]

These are the three portions of the AFM JF-17 Block-III article, which require some imaginative interpretation to avoid conflict in meaning w.r.t. each other

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From the first snippet if we interpret the range of the radar to be 65% in excess of the 81NM stated for the prototype, then we can reconcile the second snippet ... regardless of PL-15 is the production version or the export version. But snippet three becomes superfluous and a bit contradictory because of mentioning and comparing the PL-15 range with the 81NM range.

But, if we interpret that the current radar range is 81NM i.e. 150km then
the second snippet can only be rationalized then if we are getting the 148.3 km range PL-15E export version of the missile. But then snippet three becomes conflicting in meaning as it says the range of the radar is more than 81NM/150km.

Conclusion: The article was badly compiled and proper proofreading for conflicts in meaning and context was not done. A very unprofessional article.

It was ment to be ambiguous.

 

[Bilal.]

These are the three portions of the AFM JF-17 Block-III article, which require some imaginative interpretation to avoid conflict in meaning w.r.t. each other

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From the first snippet if we interpret the range of the radar to be 65% in excess of the 81NM stated for the prototype, then we can reconcile the second snippet ... regardless of PL-15 is the production version or the export version. But snippet three becomes superfluous and a bit contradictory because of mentioning and comparing the PL-15 range with the 81NM range.

But, if we interpret that the current radar range is 81NM i.e. 150km then
the second snippet can only be rationalized then if we are getting the 148.3 km range PL-15E export version of the missile. But then snippet three becomes conflicting in meaning as it says the range of the radar is more than 81NM/150km.

Conclusion: The article was badly compiled and proper proofreading for conflicts in meaning and context was not done. A very unprofessional article.

Regarding the 3rd snippet. I am pretty sure they are talking about the seeker of the PL15 being AESA and that the missile range is 81NM.

 

[Bilal.]

@aliyusuf

So lets try to reconcile the three statements:

1/ Snippet 1: The production radar has 65% more range than the prototype (which had 81NM range). So the production radar has a range of ~134NM or Approx. 250Km for 5 Sq. m target. Not too hard to believe as the rejected purely air cooled LKF601 is now openly being marketed with a 200km range. Also 65% range improvement could be explained with a move from GaAs to GaN TRM as similar (70%) improvements were achieved in Erieye to Erieye-ER.

2/ Snippet 2: Given the above range it exceeds the current and future BVRAAMs

3/ Snippet 3: PL15 has a range exceeding 81NM and has an AESA seeker (keywords: “with a standalone AESA radar”. hence the article also pointed to its increased anti jamming capabilities)

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