After telecom, India halts Chinese power equipments suppliers

[rohailmalhi]

Yar its crystal clear there is nothing called prefer the local industry thing .Its the kickback indian policy maker get from the local manufacturers .
Its always like this give money to policy makers and they will make policy in ur favour thts it.Nothing toward china or stuff.
And one more thing the much u can pay the better u gonna get .so dont say we dont compromise on quality .Want excellent quality pay more for it and u can have it.

 

[IndianArmy]

This is not the way of giving your Products a chance keep following this policy and your products will just be limited to your own domestic market consumer will suffer due to the monopoly of Indian local Producers as they will be able to set their own prices due to lack of Foreign Competition.

I can give you a case study.Just study the effects of banning of second hand imported cars in Pakistan.Who's is suffering?Consumer.

If you wanna develop industry on solid foundations you give something to compete with them.Otherwise your domestic entities will be nothing more than hollow bodies which will be washed away at the mere sighting of Foreign Products.

Our companies are Indeed made to compete....But Its not that our products lack Quality but China makes products cheaper, so our domestic markets are crashing, So India would want to get quality products for a bit more higher cost than just forgetting Quality just because they provide the product 10-15% cheaper....

So India is doing all what it can to raise its Markets... If china has to survive, it should give quality equipments, Not just subsidize

 

[SpArK]

This is not the way of giving your Products a chance keep following this policy and your products will just be limited to your own domestic market consumer will suffer due to the monopoly of Indian local Producers as they will be able to set their own prices due to lack of Foreign Competition.

I can give you a case study.Just study the effects of banning of second hand imported cars in Pakistan.Who's is suffering?Consumer.

If you wanna develop industry on solid foundations you give something to compete with them.Otherwise your domestic entities will be nothing more than hollow bodies which will be washed away at the mere sighting of Foreign Products.

We already have many businesses outside nation which is of huge in business. Even when we think of the 2 companies that competed with the chinese have foreign projects..

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[SpArK]

Yar its crystal clear there is nothing called prefer the local industry thing .Its the kickback indian policy maker get from the local manufacturers .
Its always like this give money to policy makers and they will make policy in ur favour thts it.Nothing toward china or stuff.
And one more thing the much u can pay the better u gonna get .so dont say we dont compromise on quality .Want excellent quality pay more for it and u can have it.

It is the privilege of few who have a thing called - options to choose.

 

[intelarpit]

Yar its crystal clear there is nothing called prefer the local industry thing .Its the kickback indian policy maker get from the local manufacturers .
Its always like this give money to policy makers and they will make policy in ur favour thts it.Nothing toward china or stuff.
And one more thing the much u can pay the better u gonna get .so dont say we dont compromise on quality .Want excellent quality pay more for it and u can have it.

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the Indian government is applying the brakes on the import of cheap Chinese power equipment

That means we are banning low quality products.....High quality products will be there

 

[pak-yes]

Our companies are Indeed made to compete....But Its not that our products lack Quality but China makes products cheaper, so our domestic markets are crashing, So India would want to get quality products for a bit more higher cost than just forgetting Quality just because they provide the product 10-15% cheaper....

So India is doing all what it can to raise its Markets... If china has to survive, it should give quality equipments, Not just subsidize

If your companies were really made to compete they wouldn't be bribing your policy makers into banning Chinese products.

Cheap can be competed with technology and high quality.Otherwise all the big corporation and Japanese Electronics and Car Industry would immediately vanish at the sight of Chinese goods.There is a reason due to which our people in Pakistan prefer to buy Japanese Cars over Chinese Ones.Even if it costs them almost double.

Again i am saying patriotism is one things but businessmen are not so very patriotic when it comes to earning money.Banning Chinese will only make your consumer suffer both in short and long term.

Every system has pros and cons and lack of government involvement in economy is one of them when it comes to capitalism although it depends upon your POV that you consider it as an Advantage or Disadvantage.

 

[intelarpit]

This is not the way of giving your Products a chance keep following this policy and your products will just be limited to your own domestic market consumer will suffer due to the monopoly of Indian local Producers as they will be able to set their own prices due to lack of Foreign Competition.

I can give you a case study.Just study the effects of banning of second hand imported cars in Pakistan.Who's is suffering?Consumer.

If you wanna develop industry on solid foundations you give something to compete with them.Otherwise your domestic entities will be nothing more than hollow bodies which will be washed away at the mere sighting of Foreign Products.

Totally agreed!! A total ban on import will create a monopoly and the only looser will be the ordinary customer....BUT.....The article says that we are banning cheap low quality products that means good quality products will still be imported and will be allowed to compete in Indian market....why we should pay for low quality products??

 

[IndianArmy]

If your companies were really made to compete they wouldn't be bribing your policy makers into banning Chinese products.

Cheap can be competed with technology and high quality.Otherwise all the big corporation and Japanese Electronics and Car Industry would immediately vanish at the sight of Chinese goods.There is a reason due to which our people in Pakistan prefer to buy Japanese Cars over Chinese Ones.Even if it costs them almost double.

Again i am saying patriotism is one things but businessmen are not so very patriotic when it comes to earning money.Banning Chinese will only make your consumer suffer both in short and long term.

Every system has pros and cons and lack of government involvement in economy is one of them when it comes to capitalism although it depends upon your POV that you consider it as an Advantage or Disadvantage.

How come you came into a conclusion that the business men bribed the policy makers??? And That Too In Manmohan sings Period....

And If India can Make Quality Product than the chinese one, Why would we import? no Matter You have to pay more, but that Inturn will Benefit the Country....

And India is Not governed by a Bunch of fools to take false decisions, India is Is an industrialized nation, It has every rights to choose whom to Buy from.....

Our Industries Make better items so we buy them.... Money does not matter Us... Quality does

 

[pak-yes]

How come you came into a conclusion that the business men bribed the policy makers??? And That Too In Manmohan sings Period....

And If India can Make Quality Product than the chinese one, Why would we import? no Matter You have to pay more, but that Inturn will Benefit the Country....

And India is Not governed by a Bunch of fools to take false decisions, India is Is an industrialized nation, It has every rights to choose whom to Buy from.....

Our Industries Make better items so we buy them.... Money does not matter Us... Quality does

Ok lets say your business men haven't done anything ok.

You are actually affirming my point if India can make quality products why ban the Chinese????????

I cannot say that sensible people re ruling India or not because if they would be really sensible and would see the big picture they would had resolved their disputes with Pakistan long time ago.Imagine how much India would earn once it got hold into Pakistani markets.Your Businessmen would had to pay more tax increase revenue for government and generate more jobs making people happy.But Alas!.

If your Industries make better items and Indian People prefer to buy them why in the world does your government have to ban Chinese?

 

[Mauryan]

Yar its crystal clear there is nothing called prefer the local industry thing .Its the kickback indian policy maker get from the local manufacturers .
Its always like this give money to policy makers and they will make policy in ur favour thts it.Nothing toward china or stuff.
And one more thing the much u can pay the better u gonna get .so dont say we dont compromise on quality .Want excellent quality pay more for it and u can have it.

Am I witnessing a lawyer talking about commerce?

Maybe I am ,if not kindoff......

Why the indian cos taking the whip due to imports especially from chinese?
1) Dumping
2)Cheap quality
3) Subsidies to chinese exporters from chinese gov
4)Tax exemptions to chinese exporters
5) Undervalued currency-here it is yuan
6) Providing of timely delivery due to large scale manufacturing,but with absolutely far low maintainance support and supply of spares
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so on.....

Why Indian cos cant stand by chinese cos in exports and satisfying domestic needs?
Main reasons:-
1)No subsidies from Indian gov
2)No tax exemptions
3)Manufacturing costs due to desired quality
4)Low scale of production due to low orders from domestic customers,but good post sale maintianance support
5)Varrying indian currency that takes a whip when exports are concerned

I dont want everyone to be mentally stable here to realise the options and polocies offered to both sides.

The main advantage chinese suppliers are getting is through the undervalued yuan when dealing with exports.

Whether the policy makers are getting bribes from these foreign suppliers or not is a different story beyond the curtain,but what makes the matter significant is the impotency of being unable to put fair commerce system in place.

when Indian manufacturers were being changed 50% more when they export to china,why cant the Indian gov do the same to chinese suppliers?
Here it says who is sold out to whom.Hence my request is that let us take the step when the gov is reluctant of doing so.Lets avoid buying something that hurts our own people.

Aren`t we buying something from an enemy where the money later on jacks up his own economy and thereby increasing his support to proxies?

 

[IndianArmy]

Ok lets say your business men haven't done anything ok.

You are actually affirming my point if India can make quality products why ban the Chinese????????

I cannot say that sensible people re ruling India or not because if they would be really sensible and would see the big picture they would had resolved their disputes with Pakistan long time ago.Imagine how much India would earn once it got hold into Pakistani markets.Your Businessmen would had to pay more tax increase revenue for government and generate more jobs making people happy.But Alas!.

If your Industries make better items and Indian People prefer to buy them why in the world does your government have to ban Chinese?

If You can make a product, why would U Import the same product? only an insane would do so, naturally the imports are cut....

And India is ruled by sensible people, as They have made our economy strong And have made Indian economy dependent on internal debts Rather than external, So I would Rather trust Our policy makers who know what they are doing as they have been doing good to the nation for long.....

China has Not been banned, but cut the trade for that Particular product as India can do better..... No harm in it

And there are Indian Companies In Pakistan, well established companies.... Eg reliance

 

[rohailmalhi]

when Indian manufacturers were being changed 50% more when they export to china,why cant the Indian gov do the same to chinese suppliers?

Yeah u charge thm back but halting the product is sumthing different.

Isnt it unfair tht if chinese are giving ur companies sum challenge thn stop those chinese companies from selling their products.

 

[SpArK]

If your companies were really made to compete they wouldn't be bribing your policy makers into banning Chinese products.

Cheap can be competed with technology and high quality.Otherwise all the big corporation and Japanese Electronics and Car Industry would immediately vanish at the sight of Chinese goods.There is a reason due to which our people in Pakistan prefer to buy Japanese Cars over Chinese Ones.Even if it costs them almost double.

Again i am saying patriotism is one things but businessmen are not so very patriotic when it comes to earning money.Banning Chinese will only make your consumer suffer both in short and long term.

Every system has pros and cons and lack of government involvement in economy is one of them when it comes to capitalism although it depends upon your POV that you consider it as an Advantage or Disadvantage.

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[IndianArmy]

when Indian manufacturers were being changed 50% more when they export to china,why cant the Indian gov do the same to chinese suppliers?

Yeah u charge thm back but halting the product is sumthing different.

Isnt it unfair tht if chinese are giving ur companies sum challenge thn stop those chinese companies from selling their products.

See, We are under no Compulsion To buy chinese Products, and Chinese companies are not giving Indian companies challenge in Quality but Subsidy, Our companies are Not good at compromising Quality Over Subsidy ... We need Quality Products, Which India is making

 

[pak-yes]

If You can make a product, why would U Import the same product? only an insane would do so, naturally the imports are cut....

And India is ruled by sensible people, as They have made our economy strong And have made Indian economy dependent on internal debts Rather than external, So I would Rather trust Our policy makers who know what they are doing as they have been doing good to the nation for long.....

China has Not been banned, but cut the trade for that Particular product as India can do better..... No harm in it

And there are Indian Companies In Pakistan, well established companies.... Eg reliance

Now you are getting my point.You import the thing you cannot make so if you ban the thing which you cannot import who will suffer?

As you live India so well i have no other choice then to accept your words about your government.

I know China has not been banned when i say China i mean the specific Chinese goods that have been banned.So just think if India can do better and have higher quality then Chinese then why do you need bans to support Indian industry?

No there are not any well established Indian Companies in Pakistan at least not according to my knowledge.Although someone posted here on PDF that TATA had Plans to launch NANO in Pakistan before Mumbai.