Afghanistan's enemy is Pakistan's enemy, says army chief

[haviZsultan]

You follow that Forum?

I joined it as part of my research for the first book I wrote, Badal. But apparently and unfortunately it was a hate Pakistan place. I got involved in defending Pakistan and finally admin khan locked me out of my account. I wanted to note the patriotic nature of Pashtuns too, was impressed by your valor and fell in love with the culture. Now I like wearing lungi and pakol. And know some Pashto, still learning more though I am from Lucknow but I already stated the solution to muhajir nationalism was to either adopt our original identity (Lucknowi, Deccan, Madrasi) or merge locally (as pashtun sindhi baloch etc etc)

sta sa num da gazi?

 

[Sugarcane]

Babur followed Persian Culture so he wasnt as much foreigner to Afghans but to Soth Asia he was Indeed Foreigner.

I am not talking about cultures (as 2 of Pakistan's provinces also share the culture with Iran & Afghanistan) here but in context of geographic boundaries of today because in this context those 2 members were trying to bash Pakistan.

 

[Gazi]

I joined it as part of my research for the first book I wrote, Badal. But apparently and unfortunately it was a hate Pakistan place. I got involved in defending Pakistan and finally admin khan locked me out of my account. I wanted to note the patriotic nature of Pashtuns too, was impressed by your valor and fell in love with the culture. Now I like wearing lungi and pakol. And know some Pashto, still learning more though I am from Lucknow but I already stated the solution to muhajir nationalism was to either adopt our original identity (Lucknowi, Deccan, Madrasi) or merge locally (as pashtun sindhi baloch etc etc)

sta sa num da gazi?

You seems to have quite a history there. I was endup there once and when I saw some threads regarding Pakistan it got me Interested but after Reading few Posts I was CONVINCED that is the Virtual version of Afghanistan. No rules, no regulations, All kind of Language Allowed including Name Calling and the best Part was No Logical Arguments.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Babur followed Persian Culture so he wasnt as much foreigner to Afghans but to Soth Asia he was Indeed Foreigner.

He adopted the Persian culture .

But again afghanistan was persianised by Nadir shah

You seems to have quite a history there. I was endup there once and when I saw some threads regarding Pakistan it got me Interested but after Reading few Posts I was CONVINCED that is the Virtual version of Afghanistan. No rules, no regulations, All kind of Language Allowed including Name Calling and the best Part was No Logical Arguments.

Try Pak Pashtun forums nice place ..

I joined it as part of my research for the first book I wrote, Badal. But apparently and unfortunately it was a hate Pakistan place. I got involved in defending Pakistan and finally admin khan locked me out of my account. I wanted to note the patriotic nature of Pashtuns too, was impressed by your valor and fell in love with the culture. Now I like wearing lungi and pakol. And know some Pashto, still learning more though I am from Lucknow but I already stated the solution to muhajir nationalism was to either adopt our original identity (Lucknowi, Deccan, Madrasi) or merge locally (as pashtun sindhi baloch etc etc)

sta sa num da gazi?

QUAID e Azam was against provincialism...

 

[browser]

Most people have no idea about the so called "strategic depth" ... Most retards believe it means that in case of indian victory Pak forces would go and regroup on Afghanistan ?


The reality :

Strategic depth meant a friendly govt that is not hostile to Pak.. That doesn't let other countries n itself use proxies to destabilise Pakistan (like in the past).

It's not as benign as you are making out or made to believe. So stop rabbiting on nonsense.

Yes, the source may not be credible in your eyes and Yes, Musharraf dumped this officially sometime after 9/11 but for 10 odd years this was policy and is still a dream of your strategic planners.

From wiki:
According to Richard Olson, U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan, Pakistan military's doctrine of "strategic depth" is a concept in which Pakistan uses Afghanistan as an instrument of strategic security in ongoing tensions with India by attempting to control Afghanistan as a pawn for its own political purposes.

 

[haviZsultan]

He adopted the Persian culture .

But again afghanistan was persianised by Nadir shah




Try Pak Pashtun forums nice place ..



QUAID e Azam was against provincialism...

I fully agree. Ethnic identity should go out the window though I have retained it only to spread fire on the enemies of Pakistan. But at the same time we should work to preserve culture. I wouldn't like your Brahui culture disappearing. Its happening in some places. During my research I came across a place called Kaniguram which is in South Waziristan, a Burki enclave surrounded by Maseed or Mehsud territory. Its language is one called Urmuri, you can google it. Its the last known area with that language. In 100 years time I am sure no one will know the language. Its got 1000 or so speakers.

The urmuri people or burkis as we call them are the last left people with that language.

Now that SHOULDN'T happen. All our cultures and all our people make Pakistan the beautiful place it is, its a medley of cultures, something we should have understood when trying to suppress Bengalis. I say just preserve the culture. otherwise ethnicity shouldn't matter, joke about it, in the end just treat it as inconsequential.

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistan did not have that option, you were next.

I think Afghans should for every be grateful to the people of Pakistan for the shelter they got there and the use of Pakistan as a base.

Afghans never had problem with Pakistan, the problem was and is your strategic depth BS and state sponsor terrorism.

I think you need to revisit history.

Soviets were ready to cut a deal with Pakistan. The whole invasion concept was created by US so Pakistanis feel threatened and compelled to get involved.

You call Indian a strategic ally but India were the ones fully backing the Soviets and then funded Northern Alliance which engulfed your country in civil war.

Either you are stupid or misguided. Time to wake up and understand the reality of the situation. If there is anyone that will save Afghanistans bacon, it is going to be Pakistan. Both countries have to work together. Afghans need to socially evolve to the point of mutual collaboration and collectivism otherwise this whole region will stay in a perpetual state of war.

Pakistan must help Afghanistan to evolve into a nation state if it is to prosper itself. Afghanistan must recognise durrand line as international border and I hope Ghani announces this soon.

 

[my2cents]

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Who the fvck do you think you are, you are too ahead of yourself.



What do you know of the ground reality? What tide? India is a strategic ally and a friend and irrespective of our relation with Pakistan our relationship with India remains solid and indispensable which is deepening right now be it in trade, investment, and government to government both in civil and military affairs. India does not need any game card vis-vis Afghanistan it is matter of mutual interest and genuine friendship. We desire the same with Pakistan, but personally I am pessimistic and I would not trust Pakistan. I hope I will be proven wrong.

Don't allow your country to be used against Pakistan and everything will be fine. Allowing it just won't be worth it for you

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You don't know shit. Tribal areas not in Pakistan but even in Afghanistan were free and outside any state control. What had happened in Momand area was an isolated incident and more had to do with local dynamics than a skirmish on behest of Pakistan in which the Afghan army and a tribe was involved. You are getting your *** whopped in tribal areas as we speak to preserve their autonomy. If we had joined the Indians then we could have knocked you out there and then.

i hail from these tribal areas and the people are Pakistanis not Afghan citizens....quit your ethnic/border games, nobody buys it

in 1960s people from your side invaded and tried to capture Bajaur from Pakistanis and it was local lashkars and regular security forces who repelled your side back.....that shows where the loyalty of the tribespeople is.

you speak like that and then wonder why your attitude and mindset meets hostility in Pakistan

 

[farhan_9909]

I fully agree. Ethnic identity should go out the window though I have retained it only to spread fire on the enemies of Pakistan. But at the same time we should work to preserve culture. I wouldn't like your Brahui culture disappearing. Its happening in some places. During my research I came across a place called Kaniguram which is in South Waziristan, a Burki enclave surrounded by Maseed or Mehsud territory. Its language is one called Urmuri, you can google it. Its the last known area with that language. In 100 years time I am sure no one will know the language. Its got 1000 or so speakers.

The urmuri people or burkis as we call them are the last left people with that language.

Now that SHOULDN'T happen. All our cultures and all our people make Pakistan the beautiful place it is, its a medley of cultures, something we should have understood when trying to suppress Bengalis. I say just preserve the culture. otherwise ethnicity shouldn't matter, joke about it, in the end just treat it as inconsequential.

The Urmar people are not 1000 or so,but in thousands.100% of ormar also know pashto as second language.I have many of them as my friend and some even relatives though those has already given up the ormari language and speak pashto as first language.

I can invite him to the forum,a relative of fine but as said,he i think doesn't know the language though,he's a ormari or burki

 

[Armstrong]

@farhan_9909 - Wrrora tu nei deekh liya hai eik aur Afghan ka Pakistan keh liyee piyaaar isss thread parr....abhiii bhiii boleiii ga that 'Afghans are Pro-Pakistan' ?

 

[farhan_9909]

@farhan_9909 - Wrrora tu nei deekh liya hai eik aur Afghan ka Pakistan keh liyee piyaaar isss thread parr....abhiii bhiii boleiii ga that 'Afghans are Pro-Pakistan' ?

Like Pakistanis,Afghans can very easily be fooled by Ummah factor,so in hard times,they will only support us

beside,such hatred is very common between developing countries and neighbors

 

[Armstrong]

Like Pakistanis,Afghans can very easily be fooled by Ummah factor,so in hard times,they will only support us

beside,such hatred is very common between developing countries and neighbors

I think our Afghan Bhabi has made you biased in favor of Afghans !

Kaashhh terii shaadiii Pakistani seh karvaiii hotiii !

 

[farhan_9909]

I think our Afghan Bhabi has made you biased in favor of Afghans !

Kaashhh terii shaadiii Pakistani seh karvaiii hotiii !

Shadi ka scene to abhi door hai yaar,bhot door