Afghani Taliban and Pakistani Taliban are one and the same

[Raja.Pakistani]

^ You should reply to posts of other members instead of posting random copy paste articles

 

[CENTCOM]

Absolutely correct!

Nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in the original article refutes the claim that the TTP is backed by the US. We know for a fact that they find safe haven in Afghanistan whenever they are chased by Pakistani forces. Hundreds of TTP fighters casually saunter over the border to attack Pakistani forces. We know that Baluch separatist terrorists find refuge in Afghanistan.

NATO's goal in fostering and promoting terrorism within Pakistan serves several purposes:
- create support for the WOT.
- create resentment and anger at the Pakistan army.
- create ethnic divisions within Pakistan leading to the eventual Balkanization of Pakistan.
- provide a cover for separatist movements in Baluchistan.

Dear DV Rules:

Is it not misguided for one with no information to make up information in the form of conspiracy theories? The brutality with which Al-Qaeda and TTP claims innocent lives leaves us with very little to ponder about the injustice of their intentions and actions. Taliban commit unimaginable atrocities to achieve their evil agenda. Taliban boasts about innocents they kill. TTP has vowed to attack American targets, including the consulate envoy, and destroys NATO tankers?

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan vow to attack American targets – The Express Tribune

Bomb destroys seven Nato oil tankers in Pakistan | Provinces | DAWN.COM

Is it not hypocrisy for the TTP and their counterparts to proclaim, one moment, that the “west” wages war against Islam, only in the next moment to boastfully claim responsibility for killing Muslims, bombing mosques and shrines and burning Qur’ans? Do conspiracy theories stop an enemy who is fully focused on destroying the nation? Instead, should we not cooperate to drive out the Taliban, the evildoers, those who believe their cruel ideology justifies killing?

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[secularbuster]

Dear DV Rules:

Is it not misguided for one with no information to make up information in the form of conspiracy theories? The brutality with which Al-Qaeda and TTP claims innocent lives leaves us with very little to ponder about the injustice of their intentions and actions. Taliban commit unimaginable atrocities to achieve their evil agenda. Taliban boasts about innocents they kill. TTP has vowed to attack American targets, including the consulate envoy, and destroys NATO tankers?

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan vow to attack American targets – The Express Tribune

Bomb destroys seven Nato oil tankers in Pakistan | Provinces | DAWN.COM

Is it not hypocrisy for the TTP and their counterparts to proclaim, one moment, that the “west” wages war against Islam, only in the next moment to boastfully claim responsibility for killing Muslims, bombing mosques and shrines and burning Qur’ans? Do conspiracy theories stop an enemy who is fully focused on destroying the nation? Instead, should we not cooperate to drive out the Taliban, the evildoers, those who believe their cruel ideology justifies killing?

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

TTP's name is missing on your terror list, now we call that hypocrisy Mr. CENTCOM or whoever you are!

 

[Stealth IFV]

Slowly the Pakistani people will awaken and realize what has taken place since the Soviets left in 1989, what sort of civil war and chaos was carried out in the time afterward, and that this has come home to roost and the reasons are as obvious as day.

 

[DV RULES]

Dear DV Rules:

Is it not misguided for one with no information to make up information in the form of conspiracy theories? The brutality with which Al-Qaeda and TTP claims innocent lives leaves us with very little to ponder about the injustice of their intentions and actions. Taliban commit unimaginable atrocities to achieve their evil agenda. Taliban boasts about innocents they kill. TTP has vowed to attack American targets, including the consulate envoy, and destroys NATO tankers?

Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan vow to attack American targets – The Express Tribune

Bomb destroys seven Nato oil tankers in Pakistan | Provinces | DAWN.COM

Is it not hypocrisy for the TTP and their counterparts to proclaim, one moment, that the “west” wages war against Islam, only in the next moment to boastfully claim responsibility for killing Muslims, bombing mosques and shrines and burning Qur’ans? Do conspiracy theories stop an enemy who is fully focused on destroying the nation? Instead, should we not cooperate to drive out the Taliban, the evildoers, those who believe their cruel ideology justifies killing?

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

In this thread we are discussing what are these Afghan Taliban & TTP, Pakistan and Pakistani people are suffered by these Taliban (no difference either they are Afghan or TTP) more than any nation and country. What is going on in Pakistan is result of mutual policy of Pakistan and US during Afghan war. This is also on record when US officials said openly that they created Taliban so if they admit this reality then why blame comes only over Pakistan?

In a similar thread i wrote that after all Pakistan comes under all pressure and central Asian countries (Arab), NATO, US went out neat and clean with taking no responsibility and permanently blaming Pakistan over setup which was once created by those together but not only Pakistan.

Zia regime with all support of CIA changed structure of Pakistani nation and even social structure by introducing word Jihad & Kalashnikov culture, and reality is that those who introduced all this mess went aside and people still giving their lives and attacked by brutal ideology, this brutal ideology can't be called Islam or even word Jihad which was introduced in Afghan war was nothing but fake political concept which has no connection to religion.

We have concerns over current situation of Pakistan and security of a simple man, we have concerns over external involvement which often violates boundaries of Pakistan and attacked with no rights, we have concerns over external forces aiming to destabilize Pakistan stationed in Afghanistan but what rubbish is, knowing all these facts Pakistan is blamed for what he shouldn’t be.

Of course at this moment there is need to work jointly against extremism and need to work jointly against those who inhumanly attacking innocent people so this joint efforts should be without any dual face politics and aims.

Where you provided links then I want to say that what situated and exists within territory of Pakistan (civilian lives, foreign visitors or citizens, residences, offices, etc), Pakistan ever makes assure to protect them and this is our responsibility. Pakistan is honest to finish this brutality, extremism & terrorism from its soil to giver fear free life to people and threat less system to all working community and industry. These evil groups has no religion, no humanity so for us they are inhuman identities which should be terminated from Pakistan.

What is going on in Afghanistan, then this is their internal matter and Pakistan has nothing to do with it but we directly are effected by situation in Afghanistan so Pakistan ever want a peaceful and prosperous neighbor. Although Pakistan can’t also lose its strategic depth in Afghanistan.

WOT ruined our structure, life, security & sovereignty. Pakistan lost its economical development because of this WOT, now if world want to put full stop in this war then they have to work honestly with Pakistan understanding Pakistani concerns and regional priorities. WOT should be end now and all allies should cooperate to wash out this Talibanizm feeling responsibility same like Pakistan is called for.

"Do more" is nothing but illogical terminology in case of Pakistan.
If this is true terminology then it applies on US/NATO too to stop 600 militants attacked from Kunar when US holds military base in Kunar.
If this true terminology then it applies on US/NATO too to arrest those terrorists in Afghanistan who ran from Swat Pakistan.

Joint efforts couldn't be successful when second party remove military posts creating more problems for first party.

If allies will be true with Pakistan then this disease of Taliban is also treatable and can be finished from region.

 

[Developereo]

TTP has vowed to attack American targets, including the consulate envoy, and destroys NATO tankers?

Can you provide evidence of any attacks on American personnel by TTP operatives?

I am not saying there is firm evidence of US backing TTP but, by the same logic that you hold Pakistan government responsible for Taliban safe havens in Pakistan, we can hold the US -- which is the real power in Afghanistan -- responsible for TTP safe havens in Afghanistan.

As for foreign support of TTP, there are many suspects including, ironically, some Arab governments like UAE.

 

[Zarvan]

Taliban were doing suicide bombings, but right wing Media always used to hide it in name of “Reaction of US Presence”.

But people started realizing the true face of Fitna of Taliban when they started the “Imposition of Talibani Sharia” at gunpoint and slaughtered thousands of innocent Pakistani citizens.

This was the time when common Pakistani started feeling anger against Taliban too, while it became evident that Taliban are not fighting for “US Expulsion”, but their ultimate goal is “Imposition of Talibani Sharia at gunpoint”. Even USleaves, but this Talibani Battle will continue against Pakistani Citizens, as we saw in Swat Valley where no “US” was involved,and even after Swat Deal, Taliban still killed & slaughtered thousands in order to impose their Talibani Sharia.

One of the biggest Conspiracy maker in Right Wing Media is Hamid Mir.
This Hamid Mir was the first person who started this fantasy conspiracy that Afghan Talibans are different and Pakistani Talibans are different …. Hamid Mir claimed that Afghani Talibans are angels while Pakistani Talibans are CIA Agents.

But the reality is neither Afghan Talibans are angels, nor Pakistani Talibans are CIA Agenst, but both these Talibans are one and the same thing.

Unfortunately Hamid Mir was very successful in his conspiracy and our emotional Nation accepted this conspiracy of Hamid Mir in name of Religion and gave “Clean Chit” to Afghani Taliban.The religious fanatics also found this conspiracy very effective to deceive poor Pakistani people, and they asked Mullah Umar to release a statement that Pakistani Taliban is not under his influence. Peoplewho still accepts this conspiracy of Hamid Mir, their only and only argument is this statement of Mullah Umar.

It is requested with true heart from these emotional brothers of our Nation to look at the following proofs against Afghani Taliban and don't let yourself deceived by people like Hamid Mir.

1st Proof: Challenge that Mullah Umar has not declared Baitullah Mehsood, Fazl Ullah and other Talibans as CIA Agents

Whole history is a witness that Mullah Umar has not declared Bait Ullah Mehsood as an CIA Agent.

Neither Mullah Umar ever said that Fazl Ullah in Swat is CIA Agent.

Neither Mullah Umar ever said that Mullah Nazir of Pakistani Taliban is CIA Agent.

Neither Mullah Umar ever said that Hafiz Gul Bahadur of Pakistani Taliban is CIA Agent.

Not a single Pakistani Talibani group has been declared as CIA Agent by Mullah Umar.

Accept for one Munafiqana Statement of Mullah Umar(i.e. Pakistani Taliban is neither in contact with him nor under his control) he never gave any statement against them. This Munafiqat of Mullah Umar will become clear to you after watching the following Proofs. Insha-Allah.

2nd Proof: Lie of Mullah Umar that he has no “Contacts” with Pakistani Taliban

This report came in all Pakistani Newspapers when there was a fight between two Talibani groups (Mehsood Group & Salafi Shah Khalid Group), and Salafi Shah Khalid was killed in that fight.

BBC Urdu dot Com, Peshawar (Link):

تحریکطالبان پاکستان کے سربراہ بیت اللہ محسودنے مہمند ایجنسی میں طالبان کے دوگروپوںمیں تصادم میں ایک گروہ کے چند افراد کیہلاکت کے واقعہ کا سختی سے نوٹس لیتے ہوئےمقامی طالبان کے امیر عمر خالد سے وضاحتطلب کی ہے۔

تحریککے مرکزی ترجمان مولوی عمر نے بی بی سی کوفون پر بتایا کہ بیت اللہ محسود نے اسواقعہ کی تحقیقات کے لئے ایک وفد بھیج دیاہے جو مہمند ایجنسی میں سنیچر کو ہونےوالی ہلاکتوں کی تفتیش کرے گا۔

انہوںنے کہا کہ افغانستان میںطالبان کے سربراہ ملا عمر نے بھی اس واقعہکا سختی سے نوٹس لیا ہے۔ دونوں گروہوں کےمابین اختلافات ختم کرانے کے لئے افغانطالبان کا بھی ایک وفد کام کر رہا ہے جومہمند ایجنسی میں پہلے سے ہی موجود تھاکہ یہ واقعہ پیش آیا۔ ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

Translation:

Baitullah Mehsood (leader of Tehrik-e-Taliban) took the notice of fight between two Talibani groups in Mehmand Agency, in which many local Taliban sdied.

The Central spokesperson of Tehrik-e-Taliban Maulvi Umar told BBC on telephone that Baitullah Mehsood had sent a delegation in Mehmand Agency, who will investigate the killings in this incident.

He further said that Mullah Umar, the leader of Taliban in Afghanistan has also taken a strong notice of this inicdent. The Afghan Taliban had already sent a delegation to Pakistani who was trying to clear the differences between Talibani groups. This Afghani Taliban's delegation would further also investigate the killings in Mehmand Agency. ​

Baitullah Mehsood openly says that he is in“Contact” with Afghani Taliban, and Afghani Taliban considers him as head of all Talibani Groups in Pakistan, but how big fools we are that still we deceive ourselves and consider Afghani Taliban as Angels, while Pakistani Taliban is CIA Agent for us.

3rd Proof: The Interview of Mullah Nazir to al-Sahab Media Cell of Al-Qaida

Who is Mullah Nazir? Answer is there are 3 big groups of Pakistani Taliban and Mullah Nazir group is one of them (Rest 2 are Mehsood group & Hafiz Gul Bahadur group. Then there are many small Talibani groups like Haqqani, Punjabi Taliban, Salafi Talibans etc.)

Who is al-Sahab? Answeris al-Sehab is the Media Cell of al-Qaida. They published all the Videos of al-Qaida leaders like Usama bin Laden, al-Zahwari etc.

Mullah Nazir gave an Interview to al-Sahab. This inteview is very important.

Please note that conspirators like Hamid Mir are not the spokesperson of Taliban, but these Talibani leaders are the best spokespersons of their own intentions. All Pakistanies should listen to this Talibani leader as this interview should open theireyes.

ForFull Transcript & Video of Mullah Nazir Interview click here

Important Point of the Interview:

1. Mullah Nazir is very clear that he considers Pakistani Democratic System to be No. 1 enemy of Islam.

2. Mullah Nazir openly admits that he is involved in attacks upon Jawans of Pak Army.

3. Mullah Nazir openly telling that he is in “Full Contact” with Mullah Umar of Afghan Taliban.
He is not using title of “Amir-ul-Momineen” anymore for Mullah Umar, but saying that he is “Amir-ul-Jehad” at moment.
Mullah Nazir is telling that when he & his companions go to Afghanistan to fight, then they don't open a separate front, but they fight directly under the leadership of Mullah Umar & his Afghan Taliban.
Mullah Nazir says that he is proud to fight personally in Afghanistan under Mullah Umar and he killed 18 Afghan Army soldiers.

4. Mullah Nazir tells that not only Afghan Taliban, but he is also in “Direct Contact” with leadership of al-Qaida …. and al-Qaida has issued a fatwa that Pakistani Army is “Kuffar” and they should be killed & slaughtered.

5. Mullah Nazir claims there is no Difference among him & Fazl Ullah & Mehsood and other Talibani groups, and all of them are fully United under the Direct leadership of Mullah Umar of Afghanistan.

6. Mullah Nazir's words about Pak Army are these: “Pak Forces are Not Muslims, but they are “Awliya” (friends) of Kuffar and killing them is true Islam.”

7. Mullah Nazir is blaming “Pakistani System” as a “Kafir System” (just same as Sufi Muhammad & Fazl Ullah of Swat Valley claimed). Mullah Nazir is saying that in present Pakistani System “a Shia” “a Qadiyani” is also able to cast their votes, therefore there is no doubt in kufr of Pakistani system.

8. A question was asked to Mullah Nazir if he is allowed to impose his Shariati System in FATA like the one in Swat, then is he going to lay down his weapons?

Mullah Nazir denied to lay down his weapons even after that. He further made clear that not only FATA, but he will impose the “Talibani Shariat” in Islamabad & then in whole of country as present Pakistani System is a Kafir system.

Those innocent people who still think that Talibani Fitna & Fasaad is going to stop after the US expulsion from Afghanistan, they must open their eyes.

Taliban rose this slogan in 1996 (i.e. 15 years ago):

کابل تا اسلام آباد ۔۔۔۔ طالبان طالبان

Translation: “From Kabul to Islamabad ….. Taliban Taliban”.

This was the time when Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996.

Fazl Ullah of Swat Valley got whole area of Swat and Malakand Agency. But instead of laying down his weapons, he started his march towards Islamabad. His aim was also not to expel US from Swat, but to impose his Talibani Sharia in Islamabad and then whole country, as he deemed Pakistani System to be a Kafir system.

If our innocent brothers still not come into their senses and realize the aim of Taliban, then very soon they will see Mullah Nazir giving this interview in Islamabad and in their other cities.

9. Mullah Nazir admitted that majority of Pakistani Ulama don't support their Talibani type of Jehad, but there is still a minority of 500 Ulama who have issued a fatwa of fighting against Pakistani Army and killing them and also in favor of “Suicide Bombings”.
​

4th Proof: Usama's & al-Zahwari's Videos for attacking Pakistani Forces

We are not posting these Videos of Usama & al-Zahwari here as there are tons of them where they are openly asking their fighters to attack the Pakistani Forces while they have become Kafir by taking other Kafirs as their Awliya.

Even after these clear tons of Videos, Mullah Umar & al-Qaida are still one & same and Mullah Umar has never blamed al-Qaida to be CIA Agent for killing Pakistani forces. Infect both Tehrik-e-Taliban and al-Qaida are killing Pakistani Forces & both of them are close friend of Mullah Umar.

This Afghan Taliban and al-Qaida friendship is so clear that our innocent brothers must come out of their dreams that Mullah Umar is an Angel and he condems attacks upon Pakistani Forces.

Only Allah could give Taufeeq to these innocent Pakistani brothers who still take Mullah Umar as an Angel and they keep on watching the slaughter of Pakistani Army Jawans at hands of Talibans.


5th Proof: Pakistani ISI's open admission that all Proofs say Afghani & Pakistani Talibans are one and same

And at end the most important proof … the open admission of Pakistani ISI …. All Proofs tell that Afghani & Pakistani Talibans are one and same and there is absolutely no difference in them.

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2009-daily/19-05-2009/up73.gif

When our innocent Pakistani brothers still keep on deceiving themselves in name of religion, and keep on playing at hands of Right Wing Media, then no one could help them except Allah.

These innocent Pakistani brothers got this same deception at hands of Right Wing Media at time of Swat incident. What was the result of Swat? Thousands of people were slaughtered at hands of Taliban and more than one Million people became homeless.

Conclusion:

1. Pakistani Taliban are not CIA Agents, but they kill Pakistani Forces while they consider Pakistani Law & System to be a Kafir system.

2. Even if we believe that Pakistani Taliban like Fazl Ullah are CIA Agents, still question arises why then we presented the whole Area of SWAT to these CIA Agents?
[*]That resulted in killing of hundreds of more innocent Pakistanies and over one million people becomeing homeless.

3. Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban are one and the same.
There may be minor differences among them (like Afghan Taliban may want to concentrate only at US Army at moment and don't want to open up a front against Pakistani Forces at moment …. but despite these minor differences of timings they are one and the same & their ulitmate goal is not Expulsion of US, but the imposition of Talibani Sharia in Islamabad/Pakistan.

In case of collision & fight between Pakistani Forces and Pakistani Taliban …. all the sympathies of Afghani Taliban and al-Qaida goes for Pakistani Talibans.

We would be living in dream land if we believe that Afghani Taliban & al-Qaida are going to support our Pak Forces against their own people i.e. the Pakistani Taliban.
​

Important Video that Pakistani Taliban got all of their Training of Terrorism from al-Qaida​

It is not CIA who trained these thousands of Pakistani Talibans, but it was al-Qaida who gave them the training of making Terrorist bomb devices etc.

Mullah Omar has clearly said he is againt attacks in Pakistan and even the recent attack which took place on Pakistan Army from Afghanistan Afghan Taliban have clearly denied any involvement it's just American and Indian Propaganda so create more trouble in Pakistan

 

[humanfirst]

Mullah Omar has clearly said he is againt attacks in Pakistan and even the recent attack which took place on Pakistan Army from Afghanistan Afghan Taliban have clearly denied any involvement it's just American and Indian Propaganda so create more trouble in Pakistan

That is all you guys have got-a supposed message from mullah omer to a journalist saying he is against attacking pak civilians(not military)and he urging the ttp to come to afghanistan and fight nato.So many attacks took place after this suppossed announcement-did mullah omer take any action against ttp(whose leaders call mullah umer ameerul mumineen)?Even after this supposed announcement there were many instances of ttp cooperating with afghan taliban.For eg-
1.In last years cia base attack,afghan taliban was the first ones who claimed it.The video of the bomber-a jordanian was later released in which he was sitting beside hakeemullah mehsud!
2.Afghan taliban along with fighters of ttp under mullah fazlullah captured several A.N.A posts in kunar last year,killing many A.N.A soldiers.
3.Afghan taliban is allied to al quida who is in turn allied to ttp.Have afghan taliban denounced their links with al quida(osama was son in law of mullah omer btw)after they cooperate with ttp in bombing pak cities?They haven't..
There are several more incidents of afghan taliban cooperating with their ideological brothers in ttp.This would never happen if ttp were cia agents.

 

[Zarvan]

That is all you guys have got-a supposed message from mullah omer to a journalist saying he is against attacking pak civilians(not military)and he urging the ttp to come to afghanistan and fight nato.So many attacks took place after this suppossed announcement-did mullah omer take any action against ttp(whose leaders call mullah umer ameerul mumineen)?Even after this supposed announcement there were many instances of ttp cooperating with afghan taliban.For eg-
1.In last years cia base attack,afghan taliban was the first ones who claimed it.The video of the bomber-a jordanian was later released in which he was sitting beside hakeemullah mehsud!
2.Afghan taliban along with fighters of ttp under mullah fazlullah captured several A.N.A posts in kunar last year,killing many A.N.A soldiers.
3.Afghan taliban is allied to al quida who is in turn allied to ttp.Have afghan taliban denounced their links with al quida(osama was son in law of mullah omer btw)after they cooperate with ttp in bombing pak cities?They haven't..
There are several more incidents of afghan taliban cooperating with their ideological brothers in ttp.This would never happen if ttp were cia agents.

TTP are CIA agents and Afghan Taliban have no links to TTP MULLAH OMAR has clearly stated he is against attacks in Pakistan

 

[notsuperstitious]

TTP and Afghan Taliban are the same because

They both oppose democracy
They have blurred lines and have some common resources
They both want to impose their form of brutal government system

But as they operate in different countries and are bound to have different organisations. But seriously, for one who's against terrorism against any kind against any country, for them they are the same, whats the difference? I mean why would one want mehsuds dead but keep haqqani's alive? Only when one wants the horrible taliban laws for afghanistan but not for themselves. such hypocritical thinking and disregard for afghanistan's sovereignty is behind this endless desire in some to keep distinguishing between the two. For everybody else, they are all the same.

support for afghani taleban runs deep in pakistan, as amply demonstrated by many surveys too. this is the crux of the problem, that some people think there are good terrorists, fact is, they are all the same, all the terrorists and their supporters.

Rest all is semantics played by apologists.

 

[Zarvan]

TTP and Afghan Taliban are the same because

They both oppose democracy
They have blurred lines and have some common resources
They both want to impose their form of brutal government system

But as they operate in different countries and are bound to have different organisations. But seriously, for one who's against terrorism against any kind against any country, for them they are the same, whats the difference? I mean why would one want mehsuds dead but keep haqqani's alive? Only when one wants the horrible taliban laws for afghanistan but not for themselves. such hypocritical thinking and disregard for afghanistan's sovereignty is behind this endless desire in some to keep distinguishing between the two. For everybody else, they are all the same.

support for afghani taleban runs deep in pakistan, as amply demonstrated by many surveys too. this is the crux of the problem, that some people think there are good terrorists, fact is, they are all the same, all the terrorists and their supporters.

Rest all is semantics played by apologists.

Sir we are talking about Ideology and Afghan Taliban never said about imposing their type on Pakistan but your and CIA funded say this

 

[OrionHunter]

Islamic terrorists and Maoist rebels that control most of your country....

Huh? That's news to me! They control most of India? What were you smoking when you wrote this gem?

remove your army and war planes from the border with Pakistan.

Are toddlers allowed on this forum?

I hate how Indians always boast about peace and progress while in reality their actions are the very thing that is PREVENTING peace from taking place.

Oh? Preventing peace? Like the the attack on the Indian Parliament and the 26/11 Mumbai attacks? Ah, I should have known, it was that darned RAW which was responsible!! Jeeez! At least that's what your venerated, so called 'security expert' and 'strategist' Zaid Hamid blares out from the rooftops even today and everybody has lapped it up including your media!

I wish the sell-out nation of India and it's people would clean out their own backyard for once.....

Sell out nation? Who has sold its soul to America for $20 billion on the farcical 'War on Terror'? Certainly not India! Stop your rambling and get real!

 

[Zarvan]

Huh? That's news to me! They control most of India? What were you smoking when you wrote this gem?


Are toddlers allowed on this forum?


Oh? Preventing peace? Like the the attack on the Indian Parliament and the 26/11 Mumbai attacks? Ah, I should have known, it was that darned RAW which was responsible!! Jeeez! At least that's what your venerated, so called 'security expert' and 'strategist' Zaid Hamid blares out from the rooftops even today and everybody has lapped it up including your media!


Sell out nation? Who has sold its soul to America for $20 billion on the farcical 'War on Terror'? Certainly not India! Stop your rambling and get real!

Maoist are very strong in more than twenty states of America and Zaid Hamid tells the truth about your Mumbai Drama that's why rana also got released and your government has not yet given the pictures of other 9 terrorists who were killed according to your security forces

 

[secularbuster]

TTP and Afghan Taliban are the same because

They both oppose democracy
They have blurred lines and have some common resources
They both want to impose their form of brutal government system

But as they operate in different countries and are bound to have different organisations. But seriously, for one who's against terrorism against any kind against any country, for them they are the same, whats the difference? I mean why would one want mehsuds dead but keep haqqani's alive? Only when one wants the horrible taliban laws for afghanistan but not for themselves. such hypocritical thinking and disregard for afghanistan's sovereignty is behind this endless desire in some to keep distinguishing between the two. For everybody else, they are all the same.

support for afghani taleban runs deep in pakistan, as amply demonstrated by many surveys too. this is the crux of the problem, that some people think there are good terrorists, fact is, they are all the same, all the terrorists and their supporters.

Rest all is semantics played by apologists.

TTP is a false flagger; TTP is not in the terror list of uncle sam and that proves it!

 

[DV RULES]

Can you provide evidence of any attacks on American personnel by TTP operatives?

I am not saying there is firm evidence of US backing TTP but, by the same logic that you hold Pakistan government responsible for Taliban safe havens in Pakistan, we can hold the US -- which is the real power in Afghanistan -- responsible for TTP safe havens in Afghanistan.

As for foreign support of TTP, there are many suspects including, ironically, some Arab governments like UAE.

This what about world don't want emphasis but accuse Pakistan to put their own burden and incompetence.
These save heavens in Afghanistan didn't exists in their eyes but Waziristan exists for them.
They are not interesting to block financial help from central Asian countries & from secular states for these save heavens in Afghanistan.